[Bluez-users] MX900 sometimes catalepsic

[Bluez-users] MX900 sometimes catalepsic

[Charles Bueche]

Hi,

[once again with the correct "From:", sorry if it appear twice]

I'm running 2.6.10-gentoo-r4 with patch-2.6.10-mh1.gz. My hardware is a
Logitech MX900 mouse and a Dell Inspiron 8600 with a CSR chip :

hci0:   Type: USB
        BD Address: 00:10:C6:22:54:AF ACL MTU: 192:8  SCO MTU: 64:8
        UP RUNNING PSCAN ISCAN 
        RX bytes:113629 acl:7992 sco:0 events:88 errors:0
        TX bytes:1043 acl:24 sco:0 commands:42 errors:0
        Features: 0xff 0xff 0x0f 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00
        Packet type: DM1 DM3 DM5 DH1 DH3 DH5 HV1 HV2 HV3 
        Link policy: RSWITCH HOLD SNIFF PARK 
        Link mode: SLAVE ACCEPT 
        Name: 'laptopcb (0)'
        Class: 0x100100
        Service Classes: Object Transfer
        Device Class: Computer, Uncategorized
        HCI Ver: 1.1 (0x1) HCI Rev: 0x235 LMP Ver: 1.1 (0x1) LMP Subver: 0x235
        Manufacturer: Cambridge Silicon Radio (10)

I'm not using the mouse bluetooth dock for any connection (only battery
loading).

Often, after unpacking my laptop and MX900 mouse from its bag, the mouse
appear to "hang". The laptop doesn't see it, and I have to open the
mouse battery location and quickly unplug one battery to reset the
mouse. After this treatment, the mouse announce itself and the laptop
sees it and create the devices with udev.

The problem happen about 1/4 of the time when unpacking the laptop, but
in a systematic way after a reboot (eg after upgrading my kernel). I
never boot my laptop under Windows, and I never use the mouse with other
machines. The "connect" button has no effect.

The problem has be present since a long time and several kernels and
bluez patches, maybe since always.

It would only be annoying, but the battery door of my mouse is starting
to present a bad shape after openning it with just about all the tools
that fits it, including cisors.

Any hint welcome.

TIA,
Charles

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Re: [Bluez-users] MX900 sometimes catalepsic

[Marcel Holtmann]

Hi Charles,

> I'm running 2.6.10-gentoo-r4 with patch-2.6.10-mh1.gz. My hardware is a
> Logitech MX900 mouse and a Dell Inspiron 8600 with a CSR chip :
> 
> hci0:   Type: USB
>         BD Address: 00:10:C6:22:54:AF ACL MTU: 192:8  SCO MTU: 64:8
>         UP RUNNING PSCAN ISCAN 
>         RX bytes:113629 acl:7992 sco:0 events:88 errors:0
>         TX bytes:1043 acl:24 sco:0 commands:42 errors:0
>         Features: 0xff 0xff 0x0f 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00
>         Packet type: DM1 DM3 DM5 DH1 DH3 DH5 HV1 HV2 HV3 
>         Link policy: RSWITCH HOLD SNIFF PARK 
>         Link mode: SLAVE ACCEPT 
>         Name: 'laptopcb (0)'
>         Class: 0x100100
>         Service Classes: Object Transfer
>         Device Class: Computer, Uncategorized
>         HCI Ver: 1.1 (0x1) HCI Rev: 0x235 LMP Ver: 1.1 (0x1) LMP Subver: 0x235
>         Manufacturer: Cambridge Silicon Radio (10)
> 
> I'm not using the mouse bluetooth dock for any connection (only battery
> loading).
> 
> Often, after unpacking my laptop and MX900 mouse from its bag, the mouse
> appear to "hang". The laptop doesn't see it, and I have to open the
> mouse battery location and quickly unplug one battery to reset the
> mouse. After this treatment, the mouse announce itself and the laptop
> sees it and create the devices with udev.
> 
> The problem happen about 1/4 of the time when unpacking the laptop, but
> in a systematic way after a reboot (eg after upgrading my kernel). I
> never boot my laptop under Windows, and I never use the mouse with other
> machines. The "connect" button has no effect.
> 
> The problem has be present since a long time and several kernels and
> bluez patches, maybe since always.
> 
> It would only be annoying, but the battery door of my mouse is starting
> to present a bad shape after openning it with just about all the tools
> that fits it, including cisors.

I have no idea what the problem is, but I assume that it is because of
the reconnect feature of the mouse. I will always try to reconnect when
you move your bag and after some failed retries it may deadlock itself.

On the other hand there is maybe a small race when you shutdown the
machine and disconnect every device. May a "hciconfig hci0 noscan"
before calling "hidd -K" will help.

Regards

Marcel




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Re: [Bluez-users] MX900 sometimes catalepsic

[Charles Bueche]

Hi all,

sorry for the long time before answering, I wanted to be sure the
problem is really fixed.

Apart from the good remarks about the MX900 design error (lack of a
power-switch), the best suggestion came from Marcel :

Doing this :

	/usr/sbin/hciconfig hci0 noscan
	/usr/bin/hidd --killall

at shutdown time avoids the problem, not a single mouse deadlock anymore
since one week.

Thanks for you suggestions. I shall update my MX900 web page rsn.

Charles

On mer, 2005-01-26 at 18:42 +0100, Marcel Holtmann wrote:
> Hi Charles,
> 
> > I'm running 2.6.10-gentoo-r4 with patch-2.6.10-mh1.gz. My hardware is a
> > Logitech MX900 mouse and a Dell Inspiron 8600 with a CSR chip :
> > 
> > hci0:   Type: USB
> >         BD Address: 00:10:C6:22:54:AF ACL MTU: 192:8  SCO MTU: 64:8
> >         UP RUNNING PSCAN ISCAN 
> >         RX bytes:113629 acl:7992 sco:0 events:88 errors:0
> >         TX bytes:1043 acl:24 sco:0 commands:42 errors:0
> >         Features: 0xff 0xff 0x0f 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00
> >         Packet type: DM1 DM3 DM5 DH1 DH3 DH5 HV1 HV2 HV3 
> >         Link policy: RSWITCH HOLD SNIFF PARK 
> >         Link mode: SLAVE ACCEPT 
> >         Name: 'laptopcb (0)'
> >         Class: 0x100100
> >         Service Classes: Object Transfer
> >         Device Class: Computer, Uncategorized
> >         HCI Ver: 1.1 (0x1) HCI Rev: 0x235 LMP Ver: 1.1 (0x1) LMP Subver: 0x235
> >         Manufacturer: Cambridge Silicon Radio (10)
> > 
> > I'm not using the mouse bluetooth dock for any connection (only battery
> > loading).
> > 
> > Often, after unpacking my laptop and MX900 mouse from its bag, the mouse
> > appear to "hang". The laptop doesn't see it, and I have to open the
> > mouse battery location and quickly unplug one battery to reset the
> > mouse. After this treatment, the mouse announce itself and the laptop
> > sees it and create the devices with udev.
> > 
> > The problem happen about 1/4 of the time when unpacking the laptop, but
> > in a systematic way after a reboot (eg after upgrading my kernel). I
> > never boot my laptop under Windows, and I never use the mouse with other
> > machines. The "connect" button has no effect.
> > 
> > The problem has be present since a long time and several kernels and
> > bluez patches, maybe since always.
> > 
> > It would only be annoying, but the battery door of my mouse is starting
> > to present a bad shape after openning it with just about all the tools
> > that fits it, including cisors.
> 
> I have no idea what the problem is, but I assume that it is because of
> the reconnect feature of the mouse. I will always try to reconnect when
> you move your bag and after some failed retries it may deadlock itself.
> 
> On the other hand there is maybe a small race when you shutdown the
> machine and disconnect every device. May a "hciconfig hci0 noscan"
> before calling "hidd -K" will help.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Marcel
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Bluez-users] MX900 sometimes catalepsic

[Marcel Holtmann]

Hi Charles,

> sorry for the long time before answering, I wanted to be sure the
> problem is really fixed.
> 
> Apart from the good remarks about the MX900 design error (lack of a
> power-switch), the best suggestion came from Marcel :
> 
> Doing this :
> 
> 	/usr/sbin/hciconfig hci0 noscan
> 	/usr/bin/hidd --killall
> 
> at shutdown time avoids the problem, not a single mouse deadlock anymore
> since one week.
> 
> Thanks for you suggestions. I shall update my MX900 web page rsn.

if this works, then this should be inside the Bluetooth init scripts or
inside the hidd with a special option like --shutdown or so.

Regards

Marcel




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Re: [Bluez-users] MX900 sometimes catalepsic

[puggy]

It's a real shame really as the logitech mice like the mx500 and mx900 are
really, really nice. The off switch issue on the mx900 is the only gripe I
have.

Puggy

> MacMice makes a mouse that looks much like the apple mouse with left and
> right mouse buttons plus a clickable scrollwheel that is bluetooth and
> comes with an on/off switch (http://www.dvforge.com/themousebt.shtml).
> I was looking into this mouse, but decided to go with the microsoft one
> instead.
>
> On Thu, 2005-01-27 at 06:59 +0100, Marcel Holtmann wrote:
>> Hi Puggy,
>>
>> > Same here. I thought it was a mouse problem because when it does this
>> > the optical thingy on the bottom is constantly on. It only ever does
>> > this when you carry the mouse around with it on, left on a desk, it
>> > never seems to do this.
>>
>> I think it is a problem in the mouse firmware, but maybe my suggestion
>> with disabling inquiry scan and page scan before disconnecting can help
>> to not bring the mouse into a deadlock.
>>
>> > I did suggest to Logitech that they should put an on/off switch on
>> these
>> > mice but they gave me some rubbish answer like "It's intended to be
>> used
>> > with the base station and not carried around and used with a laptop".
>> I
>> > was like, "What? So I fork out an extra 50 quid to get the bluetooth
>> > version because...?". But that is all beside the point.
>>
>> That is exactly the point. I discussed this with another company and it
>> is hard for some sales/support guys to understand what is really needed
>> and what is simply a bad design. Not integrating an on/off switch is
>> totally stupid. However Apple did this one right, but you there is
>> always the proble with the missing second and third mouse buttons ;)
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Marcel
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Bluez-users] MX900 sometimes catalepsic

[Bryan Forbes]

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MacMice makes a mouse that looks much like the apple mouse with left and
right mouse buttons plus a clickable scrollwheel that is bluetooth and
comes with an on/off switch (http://www.dvforge.com/themousebt.shtml).
I was looking into this mouse, but decided to go with the microsoft one
instead.

On Thu, 2005-01-27 at 06:59 +0100, Marcel Holtmann wrote:
> Hi Puggy,
> 
> > Same here. I thought it was a mouse problem because when it does this
> > the optical thingy on the bottom is constantly on. It only ever does
> > this when you carry the mouse around with it on, left on a desk, it
> > never seems to do this.
> 
> I think it is a problem in the mouse firmware, but maybe my suggestion
> with disabling inquiry scan and page scan before disconnecting can help
> to not bring the mouse into a deadlock.
> 
> > I did suggest to Logitech that they should put an on/off switch on these
> > mice but they gave me some rubbish answer like "It's intended to be used
> > with the base station and not carried around and used with a laptop". I
> > was like, "What? So I fork out an extra 50 quid to get the bluetooth
> > version because...?". But that is all beside the point.
> 
> That is exactly the point. I discussed this with another company and it
> is hard for some sales/support guys to understand what is really needed
> and what is simply a bad design. Not integrating an on/off switch is
> totally stupid. However Apple did this one right, but you there is
> always the proble with the missing second and third mouse buttons ;)
> 
> Regards
> 
> Marcel
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Bluez-users] MX900 sometimes catalepsic

[Marcel Holtmann]

Hi Puggy,

> Same here. I thought it was a mouse problem because when it does this
> the optical thingy on the bottom is constantly on. It only ever does
> this when you carry the mouse around with it on, left on a desk, it
> never seems to do this.

I think it is a problem in the mouse firmware, but maybe my suggestion
with disabling inquiry scan and page scan before disconnecting can help
to not bring the mouse into a deadlock.

> I did suggest to Logitech that they should put an on/off switch on these
> mice but they gave me some rubbish answer like "It's intended to be used
> with the base station and not carried around and used with a laptop". I
> was like, "What? So I fork out an extra 50 quid to get the bluetooth
> version because...?". But that is all beside the point.

That is exactly the point. I discussed this with another company and it
is hard for some sales/support guys to understand what is really needed
and what is simply a bad design. Not integrating an on/off switch is
totally stupid. However Apple did this one right, but you there is
always the proble with the missing second and third mouse buttons ;)

Regards

Marcel




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Re: [Bluez-users] MX900 sometimes catalepsic

[Douglas Russell]

Same here. I thought it was a mouse problem because when it does this
the optical thingy on the bottom is constantly on. It only ever does
this when you carry the mouse around with it on, left on a desk, it
never seems to do this.

I did suggest to Logitech that they should put an on/off switch on these
mice but they gave me some rubbish answer like "It's intended to be used
with the base station and not carried around and used with a laptop". I
was like, "What? So I fork out an extra 50 quid to get the bluetooth
version because...?". But that is all beside the point.

Puggy


On Tue, 2005-01-25 at 08:05 +0100, Charles Bueche wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I'm running 2.6.10-gentoo-r4 with patch-2.6.10-mh1.gz. My hardware is a
> Logitech MX900 mouse and a Dell Inspiron 8600 with a CSR chip :
> 
> hci0:   Type: USB
>         BD Address: 00:10:C6:22:54:AF ACL MTU: 192:8  SCO MTU: 64:8
>         UP RUNNING PSCAN ISCAN 
>         RX bytes:113629 acl:7992 sco:0 events:88 errors:0
>         TX bytes:1043 acl:24 sco:0 commands:42 errors:0
>         Features: 0xff 0xff 0x0f 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00
>         Packet type: DM1 DM3 DM5 DH1 DH3 DH5 HV1 HV2 HV3 
>         Link policy: RSWITCH HOLD SNIFF PARK 
>         Link mode: SLAVE ACCEPT 
>         Name: 'laptopcb (0)'
>         Class: 0x100100
>         Service Classes: Object Transfer
>         Device Class: Computer, Uncategorized
>         HCI Ver: 1.1 (0x1) HCI Rev: 0x235 LMP Ver: 1.1 (0x1) LMP Subver:
> 0x235
>         Manufacturer: Cambridge Silicon Radio (10)
> 
> I'm not using the mouse bluetooth dock for any connection (only battery
> loading).
> 
> Often, after unpacking my laptop and MX900 mouse from its bag, the mouse
> appear to "hang". The laptop doesn't see it, and I have to open the
> mouse battery location and quickly unplug one battery to reset the
> mouse. After this treatment, the mouse announce itself and the laptop
> sees it and create the devices with udev.
> 
> The problem happen about 1/4 of the time when unpacking the laptop, but
> in a systematic way after a reboot (eg after upgrading my kernel). I
> never boot my laptop under Windows, and I never use the mouse with other
> machines. The "connect" button has no effect.
> 
> The problem has be present since a long time and several kernels and
> bluez patches, maybe since always.
> 
> It would only be annoying, but the battery door of my mouse is starting
> to present a bad shape after openning it with just about all the tools
> that fits it, including cisors.
> 
> Any hint welcome.
> 
> TIA,
> Charles
> 



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