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From: joeyli <jlee@suse.com>
To: Pradeep Subrahmanion <subrahmanion.pradeep@gmail.com>
Cc: Matthew Garrett <mjg@redhat.com>,
	rpurdie@rpsys.net, FlorianSchandinat@gmx.de,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, linux-fbdev@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Added backlight driver for Acer Aspire 4736
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 13:51:18 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1331704278.10557.190.camel@linux-s257.site> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1331692996.3052.8.camel@debian.Gayathri>

於 三,2012-03-14 於 08:13 +0530,Pradeep Subrahmanion 提到:
> Hi Joey , 
> 
> > Per my understood, EC firmware should change brightness but didn't do
> > that, another
> > way is touch i915 register in _BCM.
> 
>   how do we do this ? you mean change the _BCM implementation ? 

"BIOS guy" should do something like this:

 Method (AINT, 2, NotSerialized)
{
...
        If (LEqual (Arg0, One))
        {
            Store (Divide (Multiply (Arg1, 0xFF), 0x64, ), BCLP)
            Or (BCLP, 0x80000000, BCLP)		<=== touch BCLP register
            Store (0x02, ASLC)
        }

    Method (_BCM, 1, NotSerialized)
    {
        If (LAnd (LGreaterEqual (Arg0, Zero), LLessEqual (Arg0, 0x64)))
        {
            AINT (One, Arg0)     <=== call AINT method
            Store (Arg0, BRTL)
        }
    }


Just for reference, they should do that when EC didn't wire to
backlight. 

> > 
> > Acer machine provide a broken _BCM implementation and they didn't test
> > it.
> > 
> > > > > By ' ACPI interface' , I mean 'acpi_video0' inside the
> > > > > /sys/class/backlight. I havn't tried the /sys/class/backlight interface
> > > > > directly . I will try that also.
> > > > 
> > > > So writing values into /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0/brightness does 
> > > > nothing?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > No change in value when writing
> > > to /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0/brightness.
> > > 
> > > Another thing is that when i did boot with acpi_backlight = 'acer_wmi' ,
> > > in new kernel (3.3.0-rc7) , it shows following messages , 
> > > 
> > > [    8.350825] wmi: Mapper loaded
> > > [   10.363975] acer_wmi: Acer Laptop ACPI-WMI Extras
> > > [   10.396186] acer_wmi: Function bitmap for Communication Device: 0x91
> > > [   10.396385] acer_wmi: Brightness must be controlled by generic video
> > > driver
> > > 
> > > Also there was no interface inside /sys/class/backlight for acer_wmi. 
> > > 
> > 
> > Yes, acer_wmi support backlight control with AMW0 interface, your
> > machine didn't have AMW0 interface.
> > 
> > Normally, backlight should control by standard acpi interface.
> > 
> > > I also tried writing directly to Embedded controller register .But no
> > > change.
> > 
> > The machine has broken _BCM method, because EC should do something after
> > _BCM changed EC register.
> 
> Thanks , 
> 
> Pradeep Subrahmanion

Why they didn't find _BCM not work?

My guess is:

Because the backlight control is through WDDM driver on Windows platform
but not through standard ACPI method _BCM. They only test Windows
platform, so, they didn't find _BCM broken.

And, they also didn't really follow Microsoft WDDM spec:

 http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/hardware/gg487382.aspx

Per spec,
ODM should keep _BCM works fine for any other OS didn't support WDDM
driver, but they didn't.

At last year, I told Acer PM one time for this issue, they said will
check but finally didn't response me.


Thanks
Joey Lee


WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: joeyli <jlee@suse.com>
To: Pradeep Subrahmanion <subrahmanion.pradeep@gmail.com>
Cc: Matthew Garrett <mjg@redhat.com>,
	rpurdie@rpsys.net, FlorianSchandinat@gmx.de,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, linux-fbdev@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Added backlight driver for Acer Aspire 4736
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 05:51:18 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1331704278.10557.190.camel@linux-s257.site> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1331692996.3052.8.camel@debian.Gayathri>

於 三,2012-03-14 於 08:13 +0530,Pradeep Subrahmanion 提到:
> Hi Joey , 
> 
> > Per my understood, EC firmware should change brightness but didn't do
> > that, another
> > way is touch i915 register in _BCM.
> 
>   how do we do this ? you mean change the _BCM implementation ? 

"BIOS guy" should do something like this:

 Method (AINT, 2, NotSerialized)
{
...
        If (LEqual (Arg0, One))
        {
            Store (Divide (Multiply (Arg1, 0xFF), 0x64, ), BCLP)
            Or (BCLP, 0x80000000, BCLP)		<== touch BCLP register
            Store (0x02, ASLC)
        }

    Method (_BCM, 1, NotSerialized)
    {
        If (LAnd (LGreaterEqual (Arg0, Zero), LLessEqual (Arg0, 0x64)))
        {
            AINT (One, Arg0)     <== call AINT method
            Store (Arg0, BRTL)
        }
    }


Just for reference, they should do that when EC didn't wire to
backlight. 

> > 
> > Acer machine provide a broken _BCM implementation and they didn't test
> > it.
> > 
> > > > > By ' ACPI interface' , I mean 'acpi_video0' inside the
> > > > > /sys/class/backlight. I havn't tried the /sys/class/backlight interface
> > > > > directly . I will try that also.
> > > > 
> > > > So writing values into /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0/brightness does 
> > > > nothing?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > No change in value when writing
> > > to /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0/brightness.
> > > 
> > > Another thing is that when i did boot with acpi_backlight = 'acer_wmi' ,
> > > in new kernel (3.3.0-rc7) , it shows following messages , 
> > > 
> > > [    8.350825] wmi: Mapper loaded
> > > [   10.363975] acer_wmi: Acer Laptop ACPI-WMI Extras
> > > [   10.396186] acer_wmi: Function bitmap for Communication Device: 0x91
> > > [   10.396385] acer_wmi: Brightness must be controlled by generic video
> > > driver
> > > 
> > > Also there was no interface inside /sys/class/backlight for acer_wmi. 
> > > 
> > 
> > Yes, acer_wmi support backlight control with AMW0 interface, your
> > machine didn't have AMW0 interface.
> > 
> > Normally, backlight should control by standard acpi interface.
> > 
> > > I also tried writing directly to Embedded controller register .But no
> > > change.
> > 
> > The machine has broken _BCM method, because EC should do something after
> > _BCM changed EC register.
> 
> Thanks , 
> 
> Pradeep Subrahmanion

Why they didn't find _BCM not work?

My guess is:

Because the backlight control is through WDDM driver on Windows platform
but not through standard ACPI method _BCM. They only test Windows
platform, so, they didn't find _BCM broken.

And, they also didn't really follow Microsoft WDDM spec:

 http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/hardware/gg487382.aspx

Per spec,
ODM should keep _BCM works fine for any other OS didn't support WDDM
driver, but they didn't.

At last year, I told Acer PM one time for this issue, they said will
check but finally didn't response me.


Thanks
Joey Lee


  reply	other threads:[~2012-03-14  5:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <CABNxG=CU+bOWUauLYfcS2vtFqKvXA-9axgokNoYz+KuU1Mzztw@mail.gmail.com>
2012-03-11 19:42 ` [PATCH] Added backlight driver for Acer Aspire 4736 Florian Tobias Schandinat
2012-03-11 19:42   ` Florian Tobias Schandinat
2012-03-12 17:36   ` Pradeep Subrahmanion
2012-03-13  3:12     ` Pradeep Subrahmanion
2012-03-12 17:51     ` Matthew Garrett
2012-03-13 12:09       ` Pradeep Subrahmanion
2012-03-13 12:47         ` Matthew Garrett
2012-03-13 13:29           ` Pradeep Subrahmanion
2012-03-13 13:41             ` Pradeep Subrahmanion
     [not found]           ` <CABNxG=Dqg26EHmC3vibf3-SjVhby1qgQfMniQObUeh9eJ6SwEw@mail.gmail.com>
2012-03-13 13:34             ` Matthew Garrett
2012-03-13 15:49               ` Pradeep Subrahmanion
2012-03-14  1:24                 ` Pradeep Subrahmanion
2012-03-13 23:12                 ` joeyli
2012-03-13 23:12                   ` joeyli
2012-03-14  2:43                   ` Pradeep Subrahmanion
2012-03-14  2:55                     ` Pradeep Subrahmanion
2012-03-14  5:51                     ` joeyli [this message]
2012-03-14  5:51                       ` joeyli
2012-03-14  6:17                       ` Pradeep Subrahmanion
2012-03-14  6:29                         ` Pradeep Subrahmanion
2012-03-15  8:05                         ` joeyli
2012-03-15  8:05                           ` joeyli
2012-03-18  5:10                           ` Pradeep Subrahmanion
2012-03-18  5:22                             ` Pradeep Subrahmanion
2012-03-19  2:01                             ` joeyli
2012-03-19  2:01                               ` joeyli
2012-03-19 11:33                               ` Pradeep Subrahmanion
2012-03-19 11:45                                 ` Pradeep Subrahmanion
2012-03-20  3:55                                 ` joeyli
2012-03-20  3:55                                   ` joeyli
2012-03-20 11:09                               ` joeyli
2012-03-20 11:09                                 ` joeyli
2012-03-20 18:55                                 ` Pradeep Subrahmanion
2012-03-20 18:55                                   ` Pradeep Subrahmanion
2012-03-21  3:00                                   ` joeyli
2012-03-21  3:00                                     ` joeyli
2012-03-21 19:09                                     ` Pradeep Subrahmanion
2012-03-21 19:21                                       ` Pradeep Subrahmanion
2012-03-22  1:33                                       ` joeyli
2012-03-22  1:33                                         ` joeyli
2012-03-22  2:33                                         ` Pradeep Subrahmanion
2012-03-22  2:45                                           ` Pradeep Subrahmanion
2012-03-22  3:25                                           ` joeyli
2012-03-22  3:25                                             ` joeyli
2012-03-22  3:32                                             ` Pradeep Subrahmanion
2012-03-22  3:44                                               ` Pradeep Subrahmanion
2012-03-22  3:54                                               ` joeyli
2012-03-22  3:54                                                 ` joeyli
2012-03-22  5:56                                                 ` Pradeep Subrahmanion
2012-03-22  5:57                                                   ` Pradeep Subrahmanion
2012-03-22  9:34                                                   ` joeyli
2012-03-22  9:34                                                     ` joeyli
2012-03-22 16:17                                                     ` Pradeep Subrahmanion
2012-03-22 16:29                                                       ` Pradeep Subrahmanion
2012-03-23  3:36                                     ` Pradeep Subrahmanion
2012-03-23  3:48                                       ` Pradeep Subrahmanion
2012-03-23  4:25                                       ` joeyli
2012-03-23  4:25                                         ` joeyli
2012-03-18  5:12                           ` Pradeep Subrahmanion
2012-03-18  5:24                             ` Pradeep Subrahmanion
2012-03-12 23:07     ` Joe Perches
2012-03-12 23:07       ` Joe Perches
2012-03-12 17:40   ` Pradeep Subrahmanion
2012-03-13  3:16     ` Pradeep Subrahmanion
2012-03-13  3:10   ` joeyli
2012-03-13  3:10     ` joeyli
2012-03-13 13:12     ` Pradeep Subrahmanion
2012-03-13  4:35       ` joeyli
2012-03-13  4:35         ` joeyli

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