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From: Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>
To: Michael Wang <wangyun@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc: LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Alex Shi <alex.shi@intel.com>, Namhyung Kim <namhyung@kernel.org>,
	Paul Turner <pjt@google.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Nikunj A. Dadhania" <nikunj@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Ram Pai <linuxram@us.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] sched: wake-affine throttle
Date: Fri, 03 May 2013 08:14:36 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1367561676.5907.50.camel@marge.simpson.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <518351CF.6090500@linux.vnet.ibm.com>

On Fri, 2013-05-03 at 13:57 +0800, Michael Wang wrote: 
> Hi, Mike
> 
> Thanks for your reply.
> 
> On 05/03/2013 01:01 PM, Mike Galbraith wrote:
> [snip]
> >>
> >> If this approach caused any concerns, please let me know ;-)
> > 
> > I wonder if throttling on failure is the way to go.  Note the minimal
> > gain for pgbench with the default 1ms throttle interval.  It's not very
> > effective out of the box for the load type it's targeted to help, and
> > people generally don't twiddle scheduler knobs.  If you throttle on
> > success, you directly restrict migration frequency without that being
> > affected by what other tasks are doing.  Seems that would be a bit more
> > effective.
> 
> This is a good timing to make some conclusion for this problem ;-)
> 
> Let's suppose when wake-affine failed, next time slice got a higher
> failure chance, then whether throttle on failure could be the question like:
> 
> 	throttle interval should cover more failure timing
> 	or more success timing?
> 
> Obviously we should cover more failure timing, since it's just wasting
> cycle and change nothing.
> 
> However, I used to concern about the damage of succeed wake-affine at
> that rapid, sure it also contain the benefit, but which one is bigger?
> 
> Now if we look at the RFC version which throttle on succeed, for
> pgbench, we could find that the default 1ms benefit is < 5%, while the
> current version which throttle on failure bring 7% at most.

OK, so scratch that thought.  Would still be good to find a dirt simple
dirt cheap way to increase effectiveness a bit, and eliminate the knob.
Until a better idea comes along, this helps pgbench some, and will also
help fast movers ala tbench on AMD, where select_idle_sibling() wasn't
particularly wonderful per my measurements.

-Mike


  reply	other threads:[~2013-05-03  6:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-04-10  3:30 [PATCH] sched: wake-affine throttle Michael Wang
2013-04-10  4:16 ` Alex Shi
2013-04-10  5:11   ` Michael Wang
2013-04-10  5:27     ` Alex Shi
2013-04-10  8:51 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-04-10  9:22   ` Michael Wang
2013-04-11  6:01     ` Michael Wang
2013-04-11  7:30       ` Mike Galbraith
2013-04-11  8:26         ` Michael Wang
2013-04-11  8:44           ` Mike Galbraith
2013-04-11  9:00             ` Mike Galbraith
2013-04-11  9:02             ` Michael Wang
2013-04-12  3:17   ` Michael Wang
2013-04-22  4:21 ` Michael Wang
2013-04-22  5:27   ` Mike Galbraith
2013-04-22  6:19     ` Michael Wang
2013-04-22 10:23 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-04-22 10:35   ` Ingo Molnar
2013-04-23  4:05     ` Michael Wang
2013-04-22 17:49   ` Paul Turner
2013-04-23  4:01   ` Michael Wang
2013-04-27  2:46   ` Michael Wang
2013-05-02  5:48   ` Michael Wang
2013-05-02  7:10     ` Mike Galbraith
2013-05-02  7:36       ` Michael Wang
2013-05-03  3:46 ` Michael Wang
2013-05-03  5:01   ` Mike Galbraith
2013-05-03  5:57     ` Michael Wang
2013-05-03  6:14       ` Mike Galbraith [this message]
2013-05-04  2:20         ` Michael Wang
2013-05-07  2:46   ` Michael Wang
2013-05-13  2:27     ` Michael Wang
2013-05-16  7:40   ` Michael Wang
2013-05-16  7:45 ` Michael Wang
2013-05-21  3:20 ` [PATCH v2] " Michael Wang
2013-05-21  6:47   ` Alex Shi
2013-05-21  6:52     ` Michael Wang
2013-05-22  8:49   ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-05-22  9:25     ` Michael Wang
2013-05-22 14:55       ` Mike Galbraith
2013-05-23  2:12         ` Michael Wang
2013-05-28  5:02         ` Michael Wang
2013-05-28  6:29           ` Mike Galbraith
2013-05-28  7:22             ` Michael Wang
2013-05-28  8:49               ` Mike Galbraith
2013-05-28  8:56                 ` Michael Wang

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