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From: Pawel Moll <pawel.moll@arm.com>
To: Rob Clark <robdclark@gmail.com>
Cc: "linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org"
	<linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	"linux-fbdev@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fbdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com>,
	"dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org"
	<dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	Tom Cooksey <Tom.Cooksey@arm.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC 0/1] drm/pl111: Initial drm/kms driver for pl111
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 14:41:24 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1374849684.3213.81.camel@hornet> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAF6AEGtNEOpuKqcr7vfieCx0mot44L2bZzOt4ipcmUVv4FwUVw@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, 2013-07-26 at 15:21 +0100, Rob Clark wrote:
> Well, if you have something complex enough to benefit from CDF, then
> you probably ought to be looking at drm/kms. 

That's what we're doing - hope you appreciate Tom's effort of re-writing
a driver for something that pre-dates DRM/KMS by generations ;-)

> I guess I don't really care about what goes in fbdev.  

Well, I've guessed that ;-)

> My main concern is that we have more than enough work to do,
> and have more than enough complexity.  If we end up w/ bunch of glue
> to tie things in to drm properties, how drm helpers sequence things
> during modeset, locking, etc.. I just don't see that turning out well.
>  And also, just on the logistical side, having something shared across
> subsystems makes changes more of a pain during the merge window.  Not
> to mention backports to stable kernels, distro kernels, etc.  It all
> just seems like it will be a lot of unnecessary headache.

I won't argue that, however it seems to me that CDF is such a small
variable in the equation that it would disappear in the noise. Surely
you have (or will have) standard DRM interface to drive the display
pipeline where CDF would be one of many back-ends? In the end you'll
have to solve the same problem - how to represent a random pipeline in a
generic way so different components can be plugged one into another.
Anyway, I'm not planning to stick my nose between DRM and CDF, really.
I'm just hoping for a solution that will fit my needs :-)

Pawel



WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: pawel.moll@arm.com (Pawel Moll)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [RFC 0/1] drm/pl111: Initial drm/kms driver for pl111
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 15:41:24 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1374849684.3213.81.camel@hornet> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAF6AEGtNEOpuKqcr7vfieCx0mot44L2bZzOt4ipcmUVv4FwUVw@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, 2013-07-26 at 15:21 +0100, Rob Clark wrote:
> Well, if you have something complex enough to benefit from CDF, then
> you probably ought to be looking at drm/kms. 

That's what we're doing - hope you appreciate Tom's effort of re-writing
a driver for something that pre-dates DRM/KMS by generations ;-)

> I guess I don't really care about what goes in fbdev.  

Well, I've guessed that ;-)

> My main concern is that we have more than enough work to do,
> and have more than enough complexity.  If we end up w/ bunch of glue
> to tie things in to drm properties, how drm helpers sequence things
> during modeset, locking, etc.. I just don't see that turning out well.
>  And also, just on the logistical side, having something shared across
> subsystems makes changes more of a pain during the merge window.  Not
> to mention backports to stable kernels, distro kernels, etc.  It all
> just seems like it will be a lot of unnecessary headache.

I won't argue that, however it seems to me that CDF is such a small
variable in the equation that it would disappear in the noise. Surely
you have (or will have) standard DRM interface to drive the display
pipeline where CDF would be one of many back-ends? In the end you'll
have to solve the same problem - how to represent a random pipeline in a
generic way so different components can be plugged one into another.
Anyway, I'm not planning to stick my nose between DRM and CDF, really.
I'm just hoping for a solution that will fit my needs :-)

Pawel

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Pawel Moll <pawel.moll@arm.com>
To: Rob Clark <robdclark@gmail.com>
Cc: "linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org"
	<linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	"linux-fbdev@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fbdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com>,
	"dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org"
	<dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	Tom Cooksey <Tom.Cooksey@arm.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC 0/1] drm/pl111: Initial drm/kms driver for pl111
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 15:41:24 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1374849684.3213.81.camel@hornet> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAF6AEGtNEOpuKqcr7vfieCx0mot44L2bZzOt4ipcmUVv4FwUVw@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, 2013-07-26 at 15:21 +0100, Rob Clark wrote:
> Well, if you have something complex enough to benefit from CDF, then
> you probably ought to be looking at drm/kms. 

That's what we're doing - hope you appreciate Tom's effort of re-writing
a driver for something that pre-dates DRM/KMS by generations ;-)

> I guess I don't really care about what goes in fbdev.  

Well, I've guessed that ;-)

> My main concern is that we have more than enough work to do,
> and have more than enough complexity.  If we end up w/ bunch of glue
> to tie things in to drm properties, how drm helpers sequence things
> during modeset, locking, etc.. I just don't see that turning out well.
>  And also, just on the logistical side, having something shared across
> subsystems makes changes more of a pain during the merge window.  Not
> to mention backports to stable kernels, distro kernels, etc.  It all
> just seems like it will be a lot of unnecessary headache.

I won't argue that, however it seems to me that CDF is such a small
variable in the equation that it would disappear in the noise. Surely
you have (or will have) standard DRM interface to drive the display
pipeline where CDF would be one of many back-ends? In the end you'll
have to solve the same problem - how to represent a random pipeline in a
generic way so different components can be plugged one into another.
Anyway, I'm not planning to stick my nose between DRM and CDF, really.
I'm just hoping for a solution that will fit my needs :-)

Pawel

  reply	other threads:[~2013-07-26 14:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 131+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-07-25 17:17 [RFC 0/1] drm/pl111: Initial drm/kms driver for pl111 tom.cooksey
2013-07-25 17:17 ` tom.cooksey
2013-07-25 17:17 ` tom.cooksey at arm.com
2013-07-25 17:17 ` [RFC 1/1] " tom.cooksey
2013-08-07 16:17   ` Rob Clark
2013-08-07 16:46     ` Daniel Vetter
2013-08-07 16:46       ` Daniel Vetter
2013-08-07 16:46       ` Daniel Vetter
2013-08-09 16:15       ` Tom Cooksey
2013-08-09 16:15       ` Tom Cooksey
2013-08-09 16:15       ` Tom Cooksey
     [not found]       ` <520515b0.88b70e0a.3ecd.1004SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
2013-08-09 16:34         ` Rob Clark
2013-08-09 16:34           ` Rob Clark
2013-08-09 16:34           ` Rob Clark
2013-08-09 16:57           ` Daniel Vetter
2013-08-09 16:57             ` Daniel Vetter
2013-08-09 16:57             ` Daniel Vetter
2013-08-09 17:31             ` Tom Cooksey
2013-08-13 14:35               ` Tom Cooksey
2013-08-13 14:35               ` Tom Cooksey
2013-08-13 14:35               ` Tom Cooksey
2013-08-09 17:31             ` Tom Cooksey
2013-08-09 17:31             ` Tom Cooksey
     [not found]             ` <5205277e.84320f0a.1cdf.ffff8816SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
2013-08-10 12:30               ` Rob Clark
2013-08-10 12:30                 ` Rob Clark
2013-08-10 12:30                 ` Rob Clark
     [not found]             ` <520a4435.070a0e0a.4fce.ffff9731SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
2013-08-13 14:58               ` Rob Clark
2013-08-13 14:58                 ` Rob Clark
2013-08-13 14:58                 ` Rob Clark
2013-08-14 14:59                 ` Tom Cooksey
2013-08-14 14:59                 ` Tom Cooksey
2013-08-14 14:59                 ` Tom Cooksey
2013-08-10  4:56       ` Inki Dae
2013-07-25 18:21 ` [RFC 0/1] " Rob Clark
2013-07-25 18:21   ` Rob Clark
2013-07-25 18:21   ` Rob Clark
2013-07-26 14:06   ` Pawel Moll
2013-07-26 14:06     ` Pawel Moll
2013-07-26 14:06     ` Pawel Moll
2013-07-26 14:21     ` Rob Clark
2013-07-26 14:21       ` Rob Clark
2013-07-26 14:21       ` Rob Clark
2013-07-26 14:41       ` Pawel Moll [this message]
2013-07-26 14:41         ` Pawel Moll
2013-07-26 14:41         ` Pawel Moll
2013-07-26 14:14   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-07-26 14:14     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-07-26 14:14     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-07-26 14:24     ` Rob Clark
2013-07-26 14:24       ` Rob Clark
2013-07-26 14:24       ` Rob Clark
2013-07-26 15:58   ` Tom Cooksey
2013-07-26 15:58   ` Tom Cooksey
2013-07-26 15:58   ` Tom Cooksey
     [not found]   ` <51f29cd1.e686440a.66b2.fffff9d5SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
2013-07-26 18:56     ` Daniel Vetter
2013-07-26 18:56       ` Daniel Vetter
2013-07-26 18:56       ` Daniel Vetter
     [not found]   ` <51f29ccd.f014b40a.34cc.ffffca2aSMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
2013-07-29 14:58     ` Rob Clark
2013-07-29 14:58       ` Rob Clark
2013-07-29 14:58       ` Rob Clark
2013-08-05 17:10       ` Tom Cooksey
2013-08-05 17:10       ` Tom Cooksey
2013-08-05 17:10       ` Tom Cooksey
     [not found]       ` <51ffdc7e.06b8b40a.2cc8.0fe0SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
2013-08-05 18:07         ` Rob Clark
2013-08-05 18:07           ` Rob Clark
2013-08-05 18:07           ` Rob Clark
2013-08-06 11:31           ` Tom Cooksey
2013-08-06 11:31           ` Tom Cooksey
2013-08-06 11:31           ` Tom Cooksey
2013-08-06 12:18             ` [Linaro-mm-sig] " Lucas Stach
2013-08-06 12:18               ` Lucas Stach
2013-08-06 12:18               ` Lucas Stach
2013-08-06 14:14               ` Rob Clark
2013-08-06 14:14                 ` Rob Clark
2013-08-06 14:14                 ` Rob Clark
2013-08-06 14:36                 ` Lucas Stach
2013-08-06 14:36                   ` Lucas Stach
2013-08-06 14:36                   ` Lucas Stach
2013-08-06 14:59                   ` Rob Clark
2013-08-06 14:59                     ` Rob Clark
2013-08-06 14:59                     ` Rob Clark
2013-08-06 15:28               ` Daniel Vetter
2013-08-06 15:28                 ` Daniel Vetter
2013-08-06 15:28                 ` Daniel Vetter
2013-08-06 15:28                 ` Daniel Vetter
2013-09-14 21:33             ` Daniel Stone
2013-09-14 21:33               ` Daniel Stone
2013-09-14 21:33               ` Daniel Stone
     [not found]           ` <5200deb3.0b24b40a.3b26.ffffbadeSMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
2013-08-06 12:15             ` Rob Clark
2013-08-06 12:15               ` Rob Clark
2013-08-06 12:15               ` Rob Clark
2013-08-06 14:03               ` Tom Cooksey
2013-08-06 14:03               ` Tom Cooksey
2013-08-06 14:03               ` Tom Cooksey
     [not found]               ` <52010257.245fc20a.6ff8.1cfdSMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
2013-08-06 14:40                 ` Rob Clark
2013-08-06 14:40                   ` Rob Clark
2013-08-06 14:40                   ` Rob Clark
2013-08-06 17:38                   ` Tom Cooksey
2013-08-06 17:38                   ` Tom Cooksey
2013-08-06 17:38                   ` Tom Cooksey
     [not found]                   ` <52013482.e107c20a.27f9.ffffa718SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
2013-08-06 19:06                     ` Rob Clark
2013-08-06 19:06                       ` Rob Clark
2013-08-06 19:06                       ` Rob Clark
2013-08-07 17:33                       ` Tom Cooksey
2013-08-07 17:33                       ` Tom Cooksey
2013-08-07 17:33                       ` Tom Cooksey
     [not found]                       ` <520284fe.a16ec20a.2d3c.6e19SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
2013-08-07 17:56                         ` [Linaro-mm-sig] " Alex Deucher
2013-08-07 17:56                           ` Alex Deucher
2013-08-07 17:56                           ` Alex Deucher
     [not found]                       ` <520284d6.07300f0a.72a4.1623SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
2013-08-07 18:12                         ` Rob Clark
2013-08-07 18:12                           ` Rob Clark
2013-08-07 18:12                           ` Rob Clark
2013-08-09 16:15                           ` Tom Cooksey
2013-08-09 16:15                           ` Tom Cooksey
2013-08-09 16:15                           ` Tom Cooksey
     [not found]                           ` <520515b9.87370f0a.16e6.2380SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
2013-08-09 17:12                             ` Rob Clark
2013-08-09 17:12                               ` Rob Clark
2013-08-09 17:12                               ` Rob Clark
2013-08-14 15:01                               ` Tom Cooksey
2013-08-14 15:01                               ` Tom Cooksey
2013-08-14 15:01                               ` Tom Cooksey
2013-08-07  4:23               ` John Stultz
2013-08-07  4:23                 ` John Stultz
2013-08-07  4:23                 ` John Stultz
2013-08-07  4:23                 ` John Stultz
2013-08-07 13:27                 ` Rob Clark
2013-08-07 13:27                   ` Rob Clark
2013-08-07 13:27                   ` Rob Clark
2013-08-07  3:57       ` John Stultz
2013-08-07  3:57         ` John Stultz
2013-08-07  3:57         ` John Stultz

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