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From: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
To: Peter Hurley <peter@hurleysoftware.com>
Cc: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	laijs@cn.fujitsu.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Stefan Richter <stefanr@s5r6.in-berlin.de>,
	linux1394-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
	Chris Boot <bootc@bootc.net>,
	linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org, target-devel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/9] firewire: don't use PREPARE_DELAYED_WORK
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 10:43:28 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1393094608.11497.1.camel@dabdike.int.hansenpartnership.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5307DAC9.2020103@hurleysoftware.com>


On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 18:01 -0500, Peter Hurley wrote:
> On 02/21/2014 11:57 AM, Tejun Heo wrote:
> > Yo,
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 11:53:46AM -0500, Peter Hurley wrote:
> >> Ok, I can do that. But AFAIK it'll have to be an smp_rmb(); there is
> >> no mb__after unlock.
> >
> > We do have smp_mb__after_unlock_lock().
> >
> >> [ After thinking about it some, I don't think preventing speculative
> >>    writes before clearing PENDING if useful or necessary, so that's
> >>    why I'm suggesting only the rmb. ]
> >
> > But smp_mb__after_unlock_lock() would be cheaper on most popular
> > archs, I think.
> 
> smp_mb__after_unlock_lock() is only for ordering memory operations
> between two spin-locked sections on either the same lock or by
> the same task/cpu. Like:
> 
>     i = 1
>     spin_unlock(lock1)
>     spin_lock(lock2)
>     smp_mb__after_unlock_lock()
>     j = 1
> 
> This guarantees that the store to j happens after the store to i.
> Without it, a cpu can
> 
>     spin_lock(lock2)
>     j = 1
>     i = 1
>     spin_unlock(lock1)

No the CPU cannot.  If the CPU were allowed to reorder locking
sequences, we'd get speculation induced ABBA deadlocks.  The rules are
quite simple: loads and stores cannot speculate out of critical
sections.  All architectures have barriers in place to prevent this ...
I know from personal experience because the barriers on PARISC were
originally too weak and we did get some speculation out of the critical
sections, which was very nasty to debug.

Stuff may speculate into critical sections from non-critical but never
out of them and critical section boundaries may not reorder to cause an
overlap.

James




  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-02-22 18:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 75+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-02-20 20:44 [PATCHSET wq/for-3.15] workqueue: remove PREPARE_[DELAYED_]WORK() Tejun Heo
2014-02-20 20:44 ` [PATCH 1/9] wireless/rt2x00: don't use PREPARE_WORK in rt2800usb.c Tejun Heo
2014-03-07 15:26   ` Tejun Heo
2014-02-20 20:44 ` [PATCH 2/9] ps3-vuart: don't use PREPARE_WORK Tejun Heo
2014-02-20 20:44   ` Tejun Heo
2014-02-21 23:19   ` Geoff Levand
2014-02-21 23:19     ` Geoff Levand
2014-02-20 20:44 ` [PATCH 3/9] floppy: don't use PREPARE_[DELAYED_]WORK Tejun Heo
2014-02-21  9:37   ` Jiri Kosina
2014-02-20 20:44 ` [PATCH 4/9] firewire: don't use PREPARE_DELAYED_WORK Tejun Heo
2014-02-20 20:44   ` Tejun Heo
2014-02-21  1:44   ` Peter Hurley
2014-02-21  1:59     ` Tejun Heo
2014-02-21  2:07       ` Peter Hurley
2014-02-21  2:07         ` Peter Hurley
2014-02-21  2:13         ` Tejun Heo
2014-02-21  5:13           ` Peter Hurley
2014-02-21 10:03             ` Tejun Heo
2014-02-21 12:51               ` Peter Hurley
2014-02-21 12:51                 ` Peter Hurley
2014-02-21 13:06                 ` Tejun Heo
2014-02-21 16:53                   ` Peter Hurley
2014-02-21 16:57                     ` Tejun Heo
2014-02-21 23:01                       ` Peter Hurley
2014-02-21 23:18                         ` Tejun Heo
2014-02-21 23:46                           ` Peter Hurley
2014-02-22 14:38                             ` Tejun Heo
2014-02-22 14:38                               ` Tejun Heo
2014-02-22 14:48                               ` Peter Hurley
2014-02-22 18:43                         ` James Bottomley [this message]
2014-02-22 18:48                           ` Peter Hurley
2014-02-22 18:48                             ` Peter Hurley
2014-02-22 18:52                             ` James Bottomley
2014-02-22 19:03                               ` Peter Hurley
2014-02-22 19:03                                 ` Peter Hurley
2014-02-23  1:23                                 ` memory-barriers.txt again (was Re: [PATCH 4/9] firewire: don't use PREPARE_DELAYED_WORK) Stefan Richter
2014-02-23 16:37                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-02-23 16:37                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-02-23 20:35                                     ` Peter Hurley
2014-02-23 23:50                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-02-24  0:09                                         ` Peter Hurley
2014-02-24 16:26                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-02-24 16:26                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-02-24  0:32                                         ` Stefan Richter
2014-02-24 16:27                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-02-23 20:05                                 ` [PATCH 4/9] firewire: don't use PREPARE_DELAYED_WORK James Bottomley
2014-02-23 22:32                                   ` Peter Hurley
2014-02-21 20:45   ` Stefan Richter
2014-02-21 20:45     ` Stefan Richter
2014-03-05 21:34     ` Stefan Richter
2014-03-07 15:18       ` Tejun Heo
2014-03-07 15:26   ` [PATCH UPDATED " Tejun Heo
2014-03-07 15:26     ` Tejun Heo
2014-02-20 20:44 ` [PATCH 5/9] usb: " Tejun Heo
2014-02-20 20:59   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-02-21 15:06     ` Alan Stern
2014-02-21 15:07       ` Tejun Heo
2014-02-22 14:59   ` [PATCH v2 " Tejun Heo
2014-02-22 15:14     ` Alan Stern
2014-02-22 15:20       ` Peter Hurley
2014-02-22 15:37       ` Tejun Heo
2014-02-22 23:03         ` Alan Stern
2014-02-23  4:29           ` Tejun Heo
2014-02-20 20:44 ` [PATCH 6/9] nvme: don't use PREPARE_WORK Tejun Heo
2014-02-20 20:44   ` Tejun Heo
2014-03-07 15:26   ` Tejun Heo
2014-03-07 15:26     ` Tejun Heo
2014-02-20 20:44 ` [PATCH 7/9] afs: " Tejun Heo
2014-03-07 15:27   ` Tejun Heo
2014-02-20 20:44 ` [PATCH 8/9] staging/fwserial: " Tejun Heo
2014-02-21 15:13   ` Peter Hurley
2014-02-20 20:44 ` [PATCH 9/9] workqueue: remove PREPARE_[DELAYED_]WORK() Tejun Heo
2014-03-07 15:27   ` Tejun Heo
2014-02-20 22:00 ` [PATCH 7/9] afs: don't use PREPARE_WORK David Howells
2014-02-20 22:46   ` Tejun Heo

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