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From: Peter Hurley <peter@hurleysoftware.com>
To: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>, Lai Jiangshan <laijs@cn.fujitsu.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Stefan Richter <stefanr@s5r6.in-berlin.de>,
	linux1394-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
	Chris Boot <bootc@bootc.net>,
	linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org, target-devel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/9] firewire: don't use PREPARE_DELAYED_WORK
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 17:32:23 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <530A76F7.3010708@hurleysoftware.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1393185948.9743.2.camel@dabdike>

Hi James,

On 02/23/2014 03:05 PM, James Bottomley wrote:
> On Sat, 2014-02-22 at 14:03 -0500, Peter Hurley wrote:
>> If it is necessary for a RELEASE-ACQUIRE pair to produce a full barrier, the
>> ACQUIRE can be followed by an smp_mb__after_unlock_lock() invocation.  This
>> will produce a full barrier if either (a) the RELEASE and the ACQUIRE are
>> executed by the same CPU or task, or (b) the RELEASE and ACQUIRE act on the
>> same variable.  The smp_mb__after_unlock_lock() primitive is free on many
>> architectures.  Without smp_mb__after_unlock_lock(), the critical sections
>> corresponding to the RELEASE and the ACQUIRE can cross:
>>
>> 	*A = a;
>> 	RELEASE M
>> 	ACQUIRE N
>> 	*B = b;
>>
>> could occur as:
>>
>> 	ACQUIRE N, STORE *B, STORE *A, RELEASE M
>
> Ah, OK, that's an error in the documentation.

AFAIK, Paul will not be changing the quoted text above.

> The example should read
>
> 	*A = a;
>   	RELEASE *N*
>   	ACQUIRE *M*
>   	*B = b;
>
> The point being you can't have speculation that entangles critical
> sections, as I've been saying, because that would speculate you into
> ABBA deadlocks.  Paul McKenny will submit a patch fixing the bug in
> documentation.

The reason why there is no deadlock here is because the RELEASE M is
not dependent on the ACQUIRE N to complete.

If the attempt to ACQUIRE N is speculated before the RELEASE M, two
possibilities exist:
1. N is not owned, so the ACQUIRE is immediately successful, or
2. N is owned, so the attempted ACQUIRE is not immediately successful.

However, in both cases the RELEASE M will still complete, having already
been started (since it occurred before in the instruction stream).

Regards,
Peter Hurley





  reply	other threads:[~2014-02-23 22:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 75+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-02-20 20:44 [PATCHSET wq/for-3.15] workqueue: remove PREPARE_[DELAYED_]WORK() Tejun Heo
2014-02-20 20:44 ` [PATCH 1/9] wireless/rt2x00: don't use PREPARE_WORK in rt2800usb.c Tejun Heo
2014-03-07 15:26   ` Tejun Heo
2014-02-20 20:44 ` [PATCH 2/9] ps3-vuart: don't use PREPARE_WORK Tejun Heo
2014-02-20 20:44   ` Tejun Heo
2014-02-21 23:19   ` Geoff Levand
2014-02-21 23:19     ` Geoff Levand
2014-02-20 20:44 ` [PATCH 3/9] floppy: don't use PREPARE_[DELAYED_]WORK Tejun Heo
2014-02-21  9:37   ` Jiri Kosina
2014-02-20 20:44 ` [PATCH 4/9] firewire: don't use PREPARE_DELAYED_WORK Tejun Heo
2014-02-20 20:44   ` Tejun Heo
2014-02-21  1:44   ` Peter Hurley
2014-02-21  1:59     ` Tejun Heo
2014-02-21  2:07       ` Peter Hurley
2014-02-21  2:07         ` Peter Hurley
2014-02-21  2:13         ` Tejun Heo
2014-02-21  5:13           ` Peter Hurley
2014-02-21 10:03             ` Tejun Heo
2014-02-21 12:51               ` Peter Hurley
2014-02-21 12:51                 ` Peter Hurley
2014-02-21 13:06                 ` Tejun Heo
2014-02-21 16:53                   ` Peter Hurley
2014-02-21 16:57                     ` Tejun Heo
2014-02-21 23:01                       ` Peter Hurley
2014-02-21 23:18                         ` Tejun Heo
2014-02-21 23:46                           ` Peter Hurley
2014-02-22 14:38                             ` Tejun Heo
2014-02-22 14:38                               ` Tejun Heo
2014-02-22 14:48                               ` Peter Hurley
2014-02-22 18:43                         ` James Bottomley
2014-02-22 18:48                           ` Peter Hurley
2014-02-22 18:48                             ` Peter Hurley
2014-02-22 18:52                             ` James Bottomley
2014-02-22 19:03                               ` Peter Hurley
2014-02-22 19:03                                 ` Peter Hurley
2014-02-23  1:23                                 ` memory-barriers.txt again (was Re: [PATCH 4/9] firewire: don't use PREPARE_DELAYED_WORK) Stefan Richter
2014-02-23 16:37                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-02-23 16:37                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-02-23 20:35                                     ` Peter Hurley
2014-02-23 23:50                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-02-24  0:09                                         ` Peter Hurley
2014-02-24 16:26                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-02-24 16:26                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-02-24  0:32                                         ` Stefan Richter
2014-02-24 16:27                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-02-23 20:05                                 ` [PATCH 4/9] firewire: don't use PREPARE_DELAYED_WORK James Bottomley
2014-02-23 22:32                                   ` Peter Hurley [this message]
2014-02-21 20:45   ` Stefan Richter
2014-02-21 20:45     ` Stefan Richter
2014-03-05 21:34     ` Stefan Richter
2014-03-07 15:18       ` Tejun Heo
2014-03-07 15:26   ` [PATCH UPDATED " Tejun Heo
2014-03-07 15:26     ` Tejun Heo
2014-02-20 20:44 ` [PATCH 5/9] usb: " Tejun Heo
2014-02-20 20:59   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-02-21 15:06     ` Alan Stern
2014-02-21 15:07       ` Tejun Heo
2014-02-22 14:59   ` [PATCH v2 " Tejun Heo
2014-02-22 15:14     ` Alan Stern
2014-02-22 15:20       ` Peter Hurley
2014-02-22 15:37       ` Tejun Heo
2014-02-22 23:03         ` Alan Stern
2014-02-23  4:29           ` Tejun Heo
2014-02-20 20:44 ` [PATCH 6/9] nvme: don't use PREPARE_WORK Tejun Heo
2014-02-20 20:44   ` Tejun Heo
2014-03-07 15:26   ` Tejun Heo
2014-03-07 15:26     ` Tejun Heo
2014-02-20 20:44 ` [PATCH 7/9] afs: " Tejun Heo
2014-03-07 15:27   ` Tejun Heo
2014-02-20 20:44 ` [PATCH 8/9] staging/fwserial: " Tejun Heo
2014-02-21 15:13   ` Peter Hurley
2014-02-20 20:44 ` [PATCH 9/9] workqueue: remove PREPARE_[DELAYED_]WORK() Tejun Heo
2014-03-07 15:27   ` Tejun Heo
2014-02-20 22:00 ` [PATCH 7/9] afs: don't use PREPARE_WORK David Howells
2014-02-20 22:46   ` Tejun Heo

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