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From: Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com>
To: Alexander Duyck <alexander.h.duyck@intel.com>
Cc: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>, netdev@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Performance regression on kernels 3.10 and newer
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2014 10:59:24 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1408125564.6804.98.camel@edumazet-glaptop2.roam.corp.google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <53EE4023.6080902@intel.com>

On Fri, 2014-08-15 at 10:15 -0700, Alexander Duyck wrote:

> I realize most of my data is anecdotal as I only have the ixgbe/igb
> adapters and netperf to work with.  This is one of the reasons why I
> keep asking if someone can tell me what the use case is for this where
> it performs well.  From what I can tell it might have had some value
> back in the day before the introduction of things such as RPS/RFS where
> some of the socket processing would be offloaded to other CPUs for a
> single queue device, but even that use case is now deprecated since
> RPS/RFS are there and function better than this.  What I am basically
> looking for is a way to weight the gain versus the penalties to
> determine if this code is even viable anymore.
> 
> In the meantime I think I will put together a patch to default
> tcp_low_latency to 1 for net and stable, and if we cannot find a good
> reason for keeping it then I can submit a patch to net-next that will
> strip it out since I don't see any benefit to having this code.

prequeue is useful on low end hosts, because it allows an application to
delay ACK packets if it is slow. You get a nicer TCP behavior, because
its more tied to scheduling glitches. Especially if TCP windows are not
autotuned. I guess some embedded platforms benefit from this.

I would keep it the way it is, because modern high performance
applications do not trigger prequeue anyway.

It is trivial to add into netperf a poll() before recvmsg() to avoid the
prequeue, or start your benchmarks with appropriate sysctl.

It is certainly not a 'stable' candidate change, it has been there for
years.

Note that we have include/linux/percpu-refcount.h now, we might
autodetect some dst are heavily used by different cpus and switch to a
percpu refcount.

  reply	other threads:[~2014-08-15 17:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-08-14 18:19 Performance regression on kernels 3.10 and newer Alexander Duyck
2014-08-14 18:46 ` Eric Dumazet
2014-08-14 19:50   ` Eric Dumazet
2014-08-14 19:59   ` Rick Jones
2014-08-14 20:31     ` Alexander Duyck
2014-08-14 20:51       ` Eric Dumazet
2014-08-14 20:46     ` Eric Dumazet
2014-08-14 23:16   ` Alexander Duyck
2014-08-14 23:20     ` David Miller
2014-08-14 23:25       ` Tom Herbert
2014-08-21 23:24         ` David Miller
2014-09-06 14:45           ` Eric Dumazet
2014-09-06 15:27             ` Eric Dumazet
2014-09-06 15:46               ` Eric Dumazet
2014-09-06 16:38                 ` Eric Dumazet
2014-09-06 18:21                   ` Eric Dumazet
2014-09-07 19:05                     ` [PATCH net] ipv6: refresh rt6i_genid in ip6_pol_route() Eric Dumazet
2014-09-07 22:54                       ` David Miller
2014-09-08  4:18                         ` Eric Dumazet
2014-09-08  4:27                           ` David Miller
2014-09-08  4:43                             ` Eric Dumazet
2014-09-08  4:59                               ` David Miller
2014-09-08  5:07                                 ` Eric Dumazet
2014-09-08  8:11                                   ` Nicolas Dichtel
2014-09-08 10:28                                     ` Eric Dumazet
2014-09-08 12:16                                       ` Nicolas Dichtel
2014-09-08 18:48                                   ` Vlad Yasevich
2014-09-09 12:58                                   ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2014-09-10  9:31                                     ` [PATCH net-next] ipv6: implement rt_genid_bump_ipv6 with fn_sernum and remove rt6i_genid Hannes Frederic Sowa
2014-09-10 13:26                                       ` Vlad Yasevich
2014-09-10 13:42                                         ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2014-09-10 20:09                                       ` David Miller
2014-09-11  8:30                                         ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2014-09-11 12:22                                           ` Vlad Yasevich
2014-09-11 12:40                                             ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2014-09-11 12:05                                         ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2014-09-11 14:19                                           ` Vlad Yasevich
2014-09-11 14:32                                             ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2014-09-11 14:44                                               ` Vlad Yasevich
2014-09-11 14:47                                                 ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2014-09-08 15:06               ` [PATCH v2 net-next] tcp: remove dst refcount false sharing for prequeue mode Eric Dumazet
2014-09-08 21:21                 ` David Miller
2014-09-08 21:30                   ` Eric Dumazet
2014-09-08 22:41                     ` David Miller
2014-09-09 23:56                     ` David Miller
2014-08-15 17:15       ` Performance regression on kernels 3.10 and newer Alexander Duyck
2014-08-15 17:59         ` Eric Dumazet [this message]
2014-08-15 18:49         ` Tom Herbert
2014-08-15 19:10           ` Alexander Duyck
2014-08-15 22:16             ` Tom Herbert
2014-08-15 23:23               ` Alexander Duyck
2014-08-18  9:03                 ` David Laight
2014-08-18 15:22                   ` Alexander Duyck
2014-08-18 15:29                     ` Rick Jones
2014-08-21 23:51         ` David Miller
2014-08-14 23:48     ` Eric Dumazet
2014-08-15  0:33       ` Rick Jones

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