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From: "Bottazzini, Bruno" <bruno.bottazzini@intel.com>
To: Randy Witt <randy.e.witt@linux.intel.com>
Cc: openembedded-core@lists.openembedded.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 2/2] systemd: split modules into packages
Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2015 17:21:15 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1425327675.2707.24.camel@bottazzini-ThinkPad-T430> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <54D50BD3.8020608@linux.intel.com>

Hello Randy,

On Sex, 2015-02-06 at 10:45 -0800, Randy Witt wrote:
> On 02/04/2015 09:04 AM, Bruno Bottazzini wrote:
> > It wil be able to choose what systemd module to be installed.
> > The final result may get smaller, if the user wanted to.
> > By default it will install the whole systemd which may be big.
> > ---
> >   meta/recipes-core/systemd/systemd_218.bb | 1059 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++----
> >   1 file changed, 914 insertions(+), 145 deletions(-)
> 
> This patch will push a lot of maintenance work onto the Yocto systemd maintainer 
> every time there is an upgrade. It's also easy to miss dependencies because of 
> the inter-dependencies that can exist between services.

This is not a problem, we can give this maintenance.

> 
> For items such as systemd-cgls and the tools, a change like this would be 
> maintainable since those items are self-contained. But yanking out the services 
> into separate packages means the maintainer will have to inspect them on each 
> upgrade to make sure they still work.
> 
> Would it be sufficient to use PACKAGECONFIG for each of the items that can be 
> disabled via configure? That way the granularity configuration is done by the 
> systemd maintainers rather than the Yocto maintainer.

With PACKAGECONFIG, we may not get everything "for free" as some data files 
will be installed regardless as well as some components from systemd cannot 
be disabled by their build system but we can run without them, for instance 
we can run without journald.

The problem is understanding that although systemd is a single repository 
it contains multiple services and daemons in it that can run even without the 
core PID1, udev or the many helpers used to configure the system such as resolved, 
timedated, localed... 

All of these components are runtime independent, we can install or remove them and 
they should not create problems.

Even Ubuntu is shipping with some of these daemons even if systemd is not used (yet).
If they were different GIT repos then it would be clear that they are separate daemons, 
but as they are all in a single repository people can make a confusion about it.

I see that in the master branch it has already the version 219.

I will make a split packages for the newest version that was just released.

Best Regards,

Bruno Bottazzini

> 
> 
> 





  reply	other threads:[~2015-03-02 20:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <bruno.bottazzini@intel.com>
2015-01-21 20:00 ` [PATCH 0/2] kmod new packageconfig and dbus split package Bruno Bottazzini
2015-01-21 20:00   ` [PATCH 1/2] kmod: new PACKAGECONFIG debug and logging to help reduce binary size Bruno Bottazzini
2015-01-21 20:00   ` [PATCH 2/2] dbus: split tools package Bruno Bottazzini
2015-01-28 15:47   ` [PATCH 0/2] kmod new packageconfig and dbus split package Bottazzini, Bruno
2015-01-28 16:00     ` Burton, Ross
2015-01-28 18:55       ` Dan McGregor
2015-01-28 19:57         ` Burton, Ross
2015-02-02 12:39           ` Bottazzini, Bruno
2015-02-03 18:21 ` [PATCH] systemd: update version from 216 to 218 Bruno Bottazzini
2015-02-03 18:21   ` Bruno Bottazzini
2015-02-03 21:23     ` Randy Witt
2015-02-03 21:33       ` Bottazzini, Bruno
2015-02-04 11:48     ` Enrico Scholz
2015-02-04 17:04       ` Bottazzini, Bruno
2015-02-04 17:59         ` Enrico Scholz
2015-02-04 17:04 ` [PATCH v2 0/2] " Bruno Bottazzini
2015-02-04 17:04   ` [PATCH v2 1/2] systemd: update " Bruno Bottazzini
2015-02-04 17:04   ` [PATCH v2 2/2] systemd: split modules into packages Bruno Bottazzini
2015-02-06 18:45     ` Randy Witt
2015-03-02 20:21       ` Bottazzini, Bruno [this message]
2015-03-04  9:22         ` Anders Darander
2015-02-26 19:29 ` [PATCH] mkefidisk: change filesystem to be writeable on grub Bruno Bottazzini
2015-02-26 21:44   ` Randy Witt
2015-02-26 22:21     ` Bottazzini, Bruno
2015-02-27  1:05       ` randy.e.witt
2015-03-03 10:26         ` Patrick Ohly
2015-03-04 21:27 ` [PATCH 0/3] systemd and dbus split into packages Bruno Bottazzini
2015-03-04 21:27   ` [PATCH 1/3] dbus: split tools package Bruno Bottazzini
2015-03-05 11:01     ` Andreas Oberritter
2015-03-05 13:16       ` Bottazzini, Bruno
2015-03-05 14:09         ` Andreas Oberritter
2015-03-05 14:29           ` Bottazzini, Bruno
2015-03-05 14:49             ` Andreas Oberritter
2015-03-05 16:05               ` Bottazzini, Bruno
2015-03-04 21:27   ` [PATCH 2/3] systemd: verify if files test-udev and systemd-journal-flush exists Bruno Bottazzini
2015-03-04 21:27   ` [PATCH 3/3] systemd: split modules into packages Bruno Bottazzini
2015-03-05 14:28     ` Anders Darander
2015-03-05 16:14       ` Bottazzini, Bruno
2015-03-06  8:23         ` Anders Darander
2015-03-06 14:03           ` Bottazzini, Bruno
2015-03-06 22:51             ` Khem Raj
2015-03-09 13:37               ` Bottazzini, Bruno
2015-03-09 15:32                 ` Khem Raj
2015-03-09 16:08                   ` Bottazzini, Bruno
2015-03-25 21:49 ` [PATCH v3 0/4] systemd and dbus split " Bruno Bottazzini
2015-03-25 21:49   ` [PATCH 1/4] dbus: split tools package Bruno Bottazzini
2015-03-25 21:49   ` [PATCH 2/4] systemd: verify if files test-udev and systemd-journal-flush exists Bruno Bottazzini
2015-03-25 21:49   ` [PATCH 3/4] systemd: split modules into packages Bruno Bottazzini
2015-03-26  8:29     ` Anders Darander
2015-03-26 11:56       ` Otavio Salvador
2015-03-26 13:40         ` Bottazzini, Bruno
2015-03-26 13:43           ` Otavio Salvador
2015-03-26 13:53             ` Bottazzini, Bruno
2015-03-26 13:59               ` Otavio Salvador
2015-03-27 14:57           ` Anders Darander
2015-03-27 17:09             ` Bottazzini, Bruno
2015-03-27 17:11               ` Otavio Salvador
2015-03-27 17:13                 ` Bottazzini, Bruno
2015-03-26 17:25         ` Khem Raj
2015-03-26  8:52     ` Andreas Oberritter
2015-03-26 13:33       ` Bottazzini, Bruno
2015-03-26 13:38         ` Otavio Salvador
2015-03-25 21:49   ` [PATCH 4/4] systemd: v219 with stable fixes Bruno Bottazzini
2015-03-30 13:05     ` Bottazzini, Bruno
2015-03-30 13:40       ` Otavio Salvador
2015-03-30 17:42         ` Bottazzini, Bruno
2015-04-01 10:16     ` Jussi Kukkonen
2015-04-01 11:21       ` Anders Darander
2015-04-01 12:52       ` Bottazzini, Bruno
2015-04-15 15:01         ` Burton, Ross
2015-04-15 15:37           ` Bottazzini, Bruno
2015-04-15 15:53             ` Burton, Ross
2015-04-15 16:29               ` Bottazzini, Bruno

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