* [B.A.T.M.A.N.] [PATCHv2 next 1/3] batman-adv: add missing kernel doc
@ 2016-02-01 6:34 Marek Lindner
2016-02-01 6:34 ` [B.A.T.M.A.N.] [PATCHv2 next 2/3] batman-adv: convert wifi driver throughput to multiples of 100kbps Marek Lindner
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From: Marek Lindner @ 2016-02-01 6:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: b.a.t.m.a.n; +Cc: Marek Lindner
Fixes: 5c324517 ("ELP - compute the metric based on the estimated throughput")
Signed-off-by: Marek Lindner <mareklindner@neomailbox.ch>
---
net/batman-adv/bat_v_elp.c | 3 ++-
net/batman-adv/main.h | 2 +-
2 files changed, 3 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
diff --git a/net/batman-adv/bat_v_elp.c b/net/batman-adv/bat_v_elp.c
index f257897..46c6a00 100644
--- a/net/batman-adv/bat_v_elp.c
+++ b/net/batman-adv/bat_v_elp.c
@@ -67,7 +67,8 @@ static void batadv_v_elp_start_timer(struct batadv_hard_iface *hard_iface)
* batadv_v_elp_get_throughput - get the throughput towards a neighbour
* @neigh: the neighbour for which the throughput has to be obtained
*
- * Return: the throughput towards the given neighbour.
+ * Return: The throughput towards the given neighbour in multiples of 100kpbs
+ * (a value of '1' equals to 0.1Mbps, '10' equals 1Mbps, etc).
*/
static u32 batadv_v_elp_get_throughput(struct batadv_hardif_neigh_node *neigh)
{
diff --git a/net/batman-adv/main.h b/net/batman-adv/main.h
index 7b05f68..db45336 100644
--- a/net/batman-adv/main.h
+++ b/net/batman-adv/main.h
@@ -62,7 +62,7 @@
#define BATADV_TQ_TOTAL_BIDRECT_LIMIT 1
/* B.A.T.M.A.N. V */
-#define BATADV_THROUGHPUT_DEFAULT_VALUE 10
+#define BATADV_THROUGHPUT_DEFAULT_VALUE 10 /* 1 Mbps */
#define BATADV_ELP_PROBES_PER_NODE 2
#define BATADV_ELP_MIN_PROBE_SIZE 200 /* bytes */
#define BATADV_ELP_PROBE_MAX_TX_DIFF 100 /* milliseconds */
--
2.7.0
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* [B.A.T.M.A.N.] [PATCHv2 next 2/3] batman-adv: convert wifi driver throughput to multiples of 100kbps
2016-02-01 6:34 [B.A.T.M.A.N.] [PATCHv2 next 1/3] batman-adv: add missing kernel doc Marek Lindner
@ 2016-02-01 6:34 ` Marek Lindner
2016-02-01 12:26 ` Sven Eckelmann
2016-02-10 10:21 ` Marek Lindner
2016-02-01 6:34 ` [B.A.T.M.A.N.] [PATCHv2 next 3/3] batman-adv: fix misleading default throughput warning Marek Lindner
2016-02-10 10:19 ` [B.A.T.M.A.N.] [PATCHv2 next 1/3] batman-adv: add missing kernel doc Marek Lindner
2 siblings, 2 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Marek Lindner @ 2016-02-01 6:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: b.a.t.m.a.n; +Cc: Marek Lindner
The expected throughout returned by the cfg80211 API is expressed in kbps
while internally batman-adv stores multiples of 100kbps. Ensure the
conversion is performed properly.
Fixes: 5c324517 ("ELP - compute the metric based on the estimated throughput")
Signed-off-by: Marek Lindner <mareklindner@neomailbox.ch>
---
net/batman-adv/bat_v_elp.c | 2 +-
1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-)
diff --git a/net/batman-adv/bat_v_elp.c b/net/batman-adv/bat_v_elp.c
index 46c6a00..461a765 100644
--- a/net/batman-adv/bat_v_elp.c
+++ b/net/batman-adv/bat_v_elp.c
@@ -100,7 +100,7 @@ static u32 batadv_v_elp_get_throughput(struct batadv_hardif_neigh_node *neigh)
return 0;
}
if (!ret)
- return sinfo.expected_throughput / 10;
+ return sinfo.expected_throughput / 100;
}
/* unsupported WiFi driver version */
--
2.7.0
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* [B.A.T.M.A.N.] [PATCHv2 next 3/3] batman-adv: fix misleading default throughput warning
2016-02-01 6:34 [B.A.T.M.A.N.] [PATCHv2 next 1/3] batman-adv: add missing kernel doc Marek Lindner
2016-02-01 6:34 ` [B.A.T.M.A.N.] [PATCHv2 next 2/3] batman-adv: convert wifi driver throughput to multiples of 100kbps Marek Lindner
@ 2016-02-01 6:34 ` Marek Lindner
2016-02-10 10:22 ` Marek Lindner
2016-02-10 10:19 ` [B.A.T.M.A.N.] [PATCHv2 next 1/3] batman-adv: add missing kernel doc Marek Lindner
2 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Marek Lindner @ 2016-02-01 6:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: b.a.t.m.a.n; +Cc: Marek Lindner
BATADV_THROUGHPUT_DEFAULT_VALUE is expressed in multiples of 100kbps. Make
sure the warning text converts it properly.
Fixes: 5c324517 ("ELP - compute the metric based on the estimated throughput")
Signed-off-by: Marek Lindner <mareklindner@neomailbox.ch>
---
net/batman-adv/bat_v_elp.c | 5 +++--
1 file changed, 3 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
diff --git a/net/batman-adv/bat_v_elp.c b/net/batman-adv/bat_v_elp.c
index 461a765..2a6a9a2 100644
--- a/net/batman-adv/bat_v_elp.c
+++ b/net/batman-adv/bat_v_elp.c
@@ -129,9 +129,10 @@ static u32 batadv_v_elp_get_throughput(struct batadv_hardif_neigh_node *neigh)
default_throughput:
if (!(hard_iface->bat_v.flags & BATADV_WARNING_DEFAULT)) {
batadv_info(hard_iface->soft_iface,
- "WiFi driver or ethtool info does not provide information about link speeds on interface %s, therefore defaulting to hardcoded throughput values of %d kbit/s. Consider overriding the throughput manually or checking your driver.\n",
+ "WiFi driver or ethtool info does not provide information about link speeds on interface %s, therefore defaulting to hardcoded throughput values of %u.%1u Mbps. Consider overriding the throughput manually or checking your driver.\n",
hard_iface->net_dev->name,
- BATADV_THROUGHPUT_DEFAULT_VALUE / 10);
+ BATADV_THROUGHPUT_DEFAULT_VALUE / 10,
+ BATADV_THROUGHPUT_DEFAULT_VALUE % 10);
hard_iface->bat_v.flags |= BATADV_WARNING_DEFAULT;
}
--
2.7.0
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* Re: [B.A.T.M.A.N.] [PATCHv2 next 2/3] batman-adv: convert wifi driver throughput to multiples of 100kbps
2016-02-01 6:34 ` [B.A.T.M.A.N.] [PATCHv2 next 2/3] batman-adv: convert wifi driver throughput to multiples of 100kbps Marek Lindner
@ 2016-02-01 12:26 ` Sven Eckelmann
2016-02-01 14:45 ` Antonio Quartulli
2016-02-10 10:21 ` Marek Lindner
1 sibling, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Sven Eckelmann @ 2016-02-01 12:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: b.a.t.m.a.n; +Cc: Thomas Huehn, Marek Lindner, antonio
On Monday 01 February 2016 14:34:33 Marek Lindner wrote:
> The expected throughout returned by the cfg80211 API is expressed in kbps
> while internally batman-adv stores multiples of 100kbps. Ensure the
> conversion is performed properly.
>
> Fixes: 5c324517 ("ELP - compute the metric based on the estimated throughput")
>
> Signed-off-by: Marek Lindner <mareklindner@neomailbox.ch>
> ---
> net/batman-adv/bat_v_elp.c | 2 +-
> 1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-)
>
> diff --git a/net/batman-adv/bat_v_elp.c b/net/batman-adv/bat_v_elp.c
> index 46c6a00..461a765 100644
> --- a/net/batman-adv/bat_v_elp.c
> +++ b/net/batman-adv/bat_v_elp.c
> @@ -100,7 +100,7 @@ static u32 batadv_v_elp_get_throughput(struct batadv_hardif_neigh_node *neigh)
> return 0;
> }
> if (!ret)
> - return sinfo.expected_throughput / 10;
> + return sinfo.expected_throughput / 100;
> }
Just tested it here and can say that it now show the same value as
`iw dev adhoc0 station dump`. But the output of `iw dev adhoc0 station dump`
confuses me. I can get easily get over 40 Mbit/s but the output of
`iw dev adhoc0 station dump` show me 4.705Mbps. Also the output of
`cat /sys/kernel/debug/ieee80211/phy*/netdev\:adhoc0/stations/*/rc_stats` look
definitely more like ~40 Mbit/s.
Antonio, can you please check my tests and my conclusion (+patch [1]).
root@OpenWrt:/# batctl tp ac:86:74:00:99:02
Throughput meter called towards ac:86:74:00:99:02
Test duration 10100ms.
Sent 78082500 Bytes.
Throughput: 7.37 MB/s (61.84 Mbps)
root@OpenWrt:/# iw dev adhoc0 station dump; batctl o
Station ac:86:74:00:99:02 (on adhoc0)
inactive time: 130 ms
rx bytes: 127568010
rx packets: 322570
tx bytes: 352672038
tx packets: 310920
tx retries: 3732
tx failed: 0
signal: -22 [-30, -22] dBm
signal avg: -21 [-30, -22] dBm
tx bitrate: 144.4 MBit/s MCS 15 short GI
rx bitrate: 72.2 MBit/s MCS 7 short GI
expected throughput: 4.705Mbps
authorized: yes
authenticated: yes
preamble: long
WMM/WME: yes
MFP: no
TDLS peer: no
[B.A.T.M.A.N. adv 2016.0, MainIF/MAC: adhoc0/ac:86:74:08:39:92 (bat0 BATMAN_V)]
Originator last-seen ( throughput) Nexthop [outgoingIF]: Potential nexthops ...
ac:86:74:00:99:02 0.290s ( 8.1) ac:86:74:00:99:02 [ adhoc0]: ac:86:74:00:99:02 ( 8.1)
root@OpenWrt:/# cat /sys/kernel/debug/ieee80211/phy0/netdev\:adhoc0/stations/ac:86\:74\:00\:99\:02/rc_stats
best ____________rate__________ ________statistics________ ________last_______ ______sum-of________
mode guard # rate [name idx airtime max_tp] [avg(tp) avg(prob) sd(prob)] [prob.|retry|suc|att] [#success | #attempts]
CCK LP 1 1.0M 120 10548 0.7 0.7 100.0 0.0 100.0 2 0 0 5 5
CCK LP 1 2.0M 121 5476 1.5 1.5 100.0 0.0 100.0 0 0 0 1 1
CCK LP 1 5.5M 122 2411 3.6 3.6 100.0 0.0 100.0 0 0 0 1 1
CCK LP 1 11.0M 123 1535 5.7 5.7 100.0 0.0 100.0 0 0 0 1 1
HT20 LGI 1 MCS0 0 1477 5.6 5.6 100.0 0.0 100.0 1 0 0 1 1
HT20 LGI 1 MCS1 1 739 10.5 10.5 100.0 0.0 100.0 0 0 0 1 1
HT20 LGI 1 MCS2 2 493 14.9 14.9 100.0 0.0 100.0 0 0 0 1 1
HT20 LGI 1 MCS3 3 369 18.7 18.7 100.0 0.0 100.0 0 0 0 1 1
HT20 LGI 1 MCS4 4 246 25.3 25.3 100.0 0.0 100.0 0 0 0 1 1
HT20 LGI 1 MCS5 5 185 30.6 30.6 100.0 0.0 100.0 0 0 0 1 1
HT20 LGI 1 MCS6 6 164 32.9 32.9 100.0 0.0 100.0 0 0 0 1 1
HT20 LGI 1 MCS7 7 148 35.0 35.0 97.2 1.6 100.0 2 0 0 428 523
HT20 LGI 2 MCS8 10 739 10.5 10.5 100.0 0.0 100.0 4 0 0 1 1
HT20 LGI 2 MCS9 11 369 18.7 18.7 100.0 0.0 100.0 0 0 0 1 1
HT20 LGI 2 MCS10 12 246 25.3 25.3 100.0 0.0 100.0 0 0 0 1 1
HT20 LGI 2 MCS11 13 185 30.6 30.6 100.0 0.0 100.0 0 0 0 1 1
HT20 LGI 2 MCS12 14 123 38.9 38.9 100.0 0.0 100.0 6 0 0 10 10
HT20 LGI 2 MCS13 15 93 44.8 44.8 97.0 1.5 100.0 3 0 0 47 54
HT20 LGI 2 D MCS14 16 82 47.3 47.3 98.0 1.7 100.0 2 0 0 2352 3185
HT20 LGI 2 C MCS15 17 74 49.4 47.4 86.3 1.6 100.0 3 1 1 41363 50271
HT20 SGI 1 MCS0 30 1329 6.2 6.2 100.0 0.0 100.0 0 0 0 1 1
HT20 SGI 1 MCS1 31 665 11.5 11.5 100.0 0.0 100.0 0 0 0 1 1
HT20 SGI 1 MCS2 32 443 16.1 16.1 95.0 1.3 100.0 0 0 0 17 19
HT20 SGI 1 MCS3 33 332 20.2 20.2 100.0 0.0 100.0 0 0 0 1 1
HT20 SGI 1 MCS4 34 222 27.1 27.1 100.0 0.0 100.0 0 0 0 1 1
HT20 SGI 1 MCS5 35 166 32.8 32.8 100.0 0.0 100.0 0 0 0 1 1
HT20 SGI 1 MCS6 36 148 35.0 35.0 100.0 0.0 100.0 2 0 0 22 22
HT20 SGI 1 P MCS7 37 133 37.2 37.2 97.3 1.6 100.0 6 0 0 423 519
HT20 SGI 2 MCS8 40 665 11.5 11.5 100.0 0.0 100.0 4 0 0 1 1
HT20 SGI 2 MCS9 41 332 20.2 20.2 97.1 1.5 100.0 0 0 0 26 29
HT20 SGI 2 MCS10 42 222 27.1 27.1 96.0 1.4 100.0 0 0 0 24 29
HT20 SGI 2 MCS11 43 166 32.8 32.8 100.0 0.0 100.0 0 0 0 1 1
HT20 SGI 2 MCS12 44 111 41.0 41.0 96.0 1.3 100.0 5 0 0 294 340
HT20 SGI 2 MCS13 45 83 46.9 46.9 98.1 1.8 100.0 3 0 0 7364 8527
HT20 SGI 2 B MCS14 46 74 49.2 49.2 92.5 1.7 100.0 6 0 0 46910 56288
HT20 SGI 2 A MCS15 47 67 51.4 51.4 99.6 0.8 100.0 6 1 1 272870 330742
Just for comparison the calculation of the TP in the table:
tp_avg = minstrel_ht_get_tp_avg(mi, i, j, mrs->prob_ewma);
and the calculation of the TP in the minstrel_ht_get_expected_throughput:
/* convert tp_avg from pkt per second in kbps */
tp_avg = minstrel_ht_get_tp_avg(mi, i, j, prob) * AVG_PKT_SIZE * 8 / 1024;
Your original patch (cca674d47e59665630f3005291b61bb883015fc5) was
slightly different:
return mi->groups[i].rates[j].cur_tp * AVG_PKT_SIZE * 8 / 1024;
I would guess that following commit mixed it up:
6a27b2c40b48 ("mac80211: restructure per-rate throughput calculation into function")
It changed the code in debugfs to:
- tp = mrs->cur_tp / 10;
+ tp_avg = minstrel_ht_get_tp_avg(mi, i, j);
But the code in the minstrel_ht_get_expected_throughput/minstrel_get_expected_throughput to
- /* convert cur_tp from pkt per second in kbps */
- return mi->groups[i].rates[j].cur_tp * AVG_PKT_SIZE * 8 / 1024;
+ /* convert tp_avg from pkt per second in kbps */
+ tp_avg = minstrel_ht_get_tp_avg(mi, i, j) * AVG_PKT_SIZE * 8 / 1024;
So there is at least a factor of 10 missing now (which perfectly matched with
the factor 10 Marek just removed in this patch).
Kind regards,
Sven
[1] http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel.wireless.general/148102
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* Re: [B.A.T.M.A.N.] [PATCHv2 next 2/3] batman-adv: convert wifi driver throughput to multiples of 100kbps
2016-02-01 12:26 ` Sven Eckelmann
@ 2016-02-01 14:45 ` Antonio Quartulli
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From: Antonio Quartulli @ 2016-02-01 14:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: The list for a Better Approach To Mobile Ad-hoc Networking
Cc: Thomas Huehn, Marek Lindner
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On Mon, Feb 01, 2016 at 01:26:12PM +0100, Sven Eckelmann wrote:
> On Monday 01 February 2016 14:34:33 Marek Lindner wrote:
> > The expected throughout returned by the cfg80211 API is expressed in kbps
> > while internally batman-adv stores multiples of 100kbps. Ensure the
> > conversion is performed properly.
> >
> > Fixes: 5c324517 ("ELP - compute the metric based on the estimated throughput")
> >
> > Signed-off-by: Marek Lindner <mareklindner@neomailbox.ch>
> > ---
> > net/batman-adv/bat_v_elp.c | 2 +-
> > 1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-)
> >
> > diff --git a/net/batman-adv/bat_v_elp.c b/net/batman-adv/bat_v_elp.c
> > index 46c6a00..461a765 100644
> > --- a/net/batman-adv/bat_v_elp.c
> > +++ b/net/batman-adv/bat_v_elp.c
> > @@ -100,7 +100,7 @@ static u32 batadv_v_elp_get_throughput(struct batadv_hardif_neigh_node *neigh)
> > return 0;
> > }
> > if (!ret)
> > - return sinfo.expected_throughput / 10;
> > + return sinfo.expected_throughput / 100;
> > }
>
> Just tested it here and can say that it now show the same value as
> `iw dev adhoc0 station dump`. But the output of `iw dev adhoc0 station dump`
> confuses me. I can get easily get over 40 Mbit/s but the output of
> `iw dev adhoc0 station dump` show me 4.705Mbps. Also the output of
> `cat /sys/kernel/debug/ieee80211/phy*/netdev\:adhoc0/stations/*/rc_stats` look
> definitely more like ~40 Mbit/s.
>
> Antonio, can you please check my tests and my conclusion (+patch [1]).
Sven,
your test looks correct. By accident this bug in mac80211 was "balanced" by the
bug that Marek is fixing with ("batman-adv: convert wifi driver throughput to
multiples of 100kbps").
Your patch[1] looks sane to me. Thanks for sending it to linux-wireless.
Cheers,
[1]http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel.wireless.general/148102
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* Re: [B.A.T.M.A.N.] [PATCHv2 next 1/3] batman-adv: add missing kernel doc
2016-02-01 6:34 [B.A.T.M.A.N.] [PATCHv2 next 1/3] batman-adv: add missing kernel doc Marek Lindner
2016-02-01 6:34 ` [B.A.T.M.A.N.] [PATCHv2 next 2/3] batman-adv: convert wifi driver throughput to multiples of 100kbps Marek Lindner
2016-02-01 6:34 ` [B.A.T.M.A.N.] [PATCHv2 next 3/3] batman-adv: fix misleading default throughput warning Marek Lindner
@ 2016-02-10 10:19 ` Marek Lindner
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From: Marek Lindner @ 2016-02-10 10:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: The list for a Better Approach To Mobile Ad-hoc Networking
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On Monday, February 01, 2016 14:34:32 Marek Lindner wrote:
> Fixes: 5c324517 ("ELP - compute the metric based on the estimated
> throughput")
>
> Signed-off-by: Marek Lindner <mareklindner@neomailbox.ch>
> ---
> net/batman-adv/bat_v_elp.c | 3 ++-
> net/batman-adv/main.h | 2 +-
> 2 files changed, 3 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
Applied in revision ec7952f.
Regards,
Marek
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* Re: [B.A.T.M.A.N.] [PATCHv2 next 2/3] batman-adv: convert wifi driver throughput to multiples of 100kbps
2016-02-01 6:34 ` [B.A.T.M.A.N.] [PATCHv2 next 2/3] batman-adv: convert wifi driver throughput to multiples of 100kbps Marek Lindner
2016-02-01 12:26 ` Sven Eckelmann
@ 2016-02-10 10:21 ` Marek Lindner
1 sibling, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Marek Lindner @ 2016-02-10 10:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: The list for a Better Approach To Mobile Ad-hoc Networking
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On Monday, February 01, 2016 14:34:33 Marek Lindner wrote:
> The expected throughout returned by the cfg80211 API is expressed in kbps
> while internally batman-adv stores multiples of 100kbps. Ensure the
> conversion is performed properly.
>
> Fixes: 5c324517 ("ELP - compute the metric based on the estimated
> throughput")
>
> Signed-off-by: Marek Lindner <mareklindner@neomailbox.ch>
> ---
> net/batman-adv/bat_v_elp.c | 2 +-
> 1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-)
Applied in revision c59b8c7.
Regards,
Marek
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* Re: [B.A.T.M.A.N.] [PATCHv2 next 3/3] batman-adv: fix misleading default throughput warning
2016-02-01 6:34 ` [B.A.T.M.A.N.] [PATCHv2 next 3/3] batman-adv: fix misleading default throughput warning Marek Lindner
@ 2016-02-10 10:22 ` Marek Lindner
0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Marek Lindner @ 2016-02-10 10:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: The list for a Better Approach To Mobile Ad-hoc Networking
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On Monday, February 01, 2016 14:34:34 Marek Lindner wrote:
> BATADV_THROUGHPUT_DEFAULT_VALUE is expressed in multiples of 100kbps. Make
> sure the warning text converts it properly.
>
> Fixes: 5c324517 ("ELP - compute the metric based on the estimated
> throughput")
>
> Signed-off-by: Marek Lindner <mareklindner@neomailbox.ch>
> ---
> net/batman-adv/bat_v_elp.c | 5 +++--
> 1 file changed, 3 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
Applied in revision 41d1e61.
Regards,
Marek
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