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From: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
To: "Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com>,
	Mehmet Kayaalp <mkayaalp@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc: Mehmet Kayaalp <mkayaalp@cs.binghamton.edu>,
	Yuqiong Sun <sunyuqiong1988@gmail.com>,
	containers <containers@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	David Safford <david.safford@ge.com>,
	linux-security-module <linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org>,
	ima-devel <linux-ima-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>,
	Yuqiong Sun <suny@us.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 1/5] ima: extend clone() with IMA namespace support
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2017 11:49:14 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1501008554.3689.30.camel@HansenPartnership.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170725175317.GA727@mail.hallyn.com>

On Tue, 2017-07-25 at 12:53 -0500, Serge E. Hallyn wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 06:50:29PM -0400, Mehmet Kayaalp wrote:
> > 
> > From: Yuqiong Sun <suny@us.ibm.com>
> > 
> > Add new CONFIG_IMA_NS config option.  Let clone() create a new IMA
> > namespace upon CLONE_NEWNS flag. Add ima_ns data structure in
> > nsproxy.
> > ima_ns is allocated and freed upon IMA namespace creation and exit.
> > Currently, the ima_ns contains no useful IMA data but only a dummy
> > interface. This patch creates the framework for namespacing the
> > different
> > aspects of IMA (eg. IMA-audit, IMA-measurement, IMA-appraisal).
> > 
> > Signed-off-by: Yuqiong Sun <suny@us.ibm.com>
> > 
> > Changelog:
> > * Use CLONE_NEWNS instead of a new CLONE_NEWIMA flag
> 
> Hi,
> 
> So this means that every mount namespace clone will clone a new IMA
> namespace.  Is that really ok?

Based on what: space concerns (struct ima_ns is reasonably small)? or
whether tying it to the mount namespace is the correct thing to do.  On
the latter, it does seem that this should be a property of either the
mount or user ns rather than its own separate ns.  I could see a use
where even a container might want multiple ima keyrings within the
container (say containerised apache service with multiple tenants), so
instinct tells me that mount ns is the correct granularity for this.

James

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com (James Bottomley)
To: linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org
Subject: [RFC PATCH 1/5] ima: extend clone() with IMA namespace support
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2017 11:49:14 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1501008554.3689.30.camel@HansenPartnership.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170725175317.GA727@mail.hallyn.com>

On Tue, 2017-07-25 at 12:53 -0500, Serge E. Hallyn wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 06:50:29PM -0400, Mehmet Kayaalp wrote:
> > 
> > From: Yuqiong Sun <suny@us.ibm.com>
> > 
> > Add new CONFIG_IMA_NS config option.??Let clone() create a new IMA
> > namespace upon CLONE_NEWNS flag. Add ima_ns data structure in
> > nsproxy.
> > ima_ns is allocated and freed upon IMA namespace creation and exit.
> > Currently, the ima_ns contains no useful IMA data but only a dummy
> > interface. This patch creates the framework for namespacing the
> > different
> > aspects of IMA (eg. IMA-audit, IMA-measurement, IMA-appraisal).
> > 
> > Signed-off-by: Yuqiong Sun <suny@us.ibm.com>
> > 
> > Changelog:
> > * Use CLONE_NEWNS instead of a new CLONE_NEWIMA flag
> 
> Hi,
> 
> So this means that every mount namespace clone will clone a new IMA
> namespace.??Is that really ok?

Based on what: space concerns (struct ima_ns is reasonably small)? or
whether tying it to the mount namespace is the correct thing to do. ?On
the latter, it does seem that this should be a property of either the
mount or user ns rather than its own separate ns. ?I could see a use
where even a container might want multiple ima keyrings within the
container (say containerised apache service with multiple tenants), so
instinct tells me that mount ns is the correct granularity for this.

James

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-07-25 18:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 131+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-07-20 22:50 [RFC PATCH 0/5] ima: namespacing IMA audit messages Mehmet Kayaalp
2017-07-20 22:50 ` Mehmet Kayaalp
2017-07-20 22:50 ` [RFC PATCH 1/5] ima: extend clone() with IMA namespace support Mehmet Kayaalp
2017-07-20 22:50   ` Mehmet Kayaalp
     [not found]   ` <20170720225033.21298-2-mkayaalp-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-25 17:53     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-07-25 17:53       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-07-25 17:53       ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]       ` <20170725175317.GA727-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-25 18:49         ` James Bottomley
2017-07-25 18:49       ` James Bottomley [this message]
2017-07-25 18:49         ` James Bottomley
     [not found]         ` <1501008554.3689.30.camel-d9PhHud1JfjCXq6kfMZ53/egYHeGw8Jk@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-25 19:04           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-07-25 19:04             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-07-25 19:04             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-07-25 19:08             ` James Bottomley
2017-07-25 19:08               ` James Bottomley
2017-07-25 19:48               ` Mimi Zohar
2017-07-25 19:48                 ` Mimi Zohar
     [not found]                 ` <1501012082.27413.17.camel-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-25 20:11                   ` Stefan Berger
2017-07-25 20:11                     ` Stefan Berger
2017-07-25 20:11                     ` Stefan Berger
     [not found]                     ` <645db815-7773-e351-5db7-89f38cd88c3d-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-25 20:46                       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-07-25 20:46                         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-07-25 20:46                         ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]                         ` <20170725204622.GA4969-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-25 20:57                           ` Mimi Zohar
2017-07-25 20:57                             ` Mimi Zohar
2017-07-25 20:57                             ` Mimi Zohar
     [not found]                             ` <1501016277.27413.50.camel-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-25 21:08                               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-07-25 21:08                             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-07-25 21:08                               ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]                               ` <20170725210801.GA5628-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-25 21:28                                 ` Mimi Zohar
2017-07-25 21:28                                   ` Mimi Zohar
2017-07-25 21:28                                   ` Mimi Zohar
     [not found]                                   ` <1501018134.27413.66.camel-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-27 12:51                                     ` [Linux-ima-devel] " Magalhaes, Guilherme (Brazil R&D-CL)
2017-07-27 12:51                                       ` Magalhaes, Guilherme (Brazil R&D-CL)
2017-07-27 12:51                                       ` Magalhaes, Guilherme (Brazil R&D-CL)
     [not found]                                       ` <TU4PR84MB03021F7FDF1B89ECAA8F7FFFFFBE0-cn0wsXH2uUebani3oaRudNicc1VoeDReZmpNikb/MY7jO8Y7rvWZVA@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-27 14:39                                         ` Mimi Zohar
2017-07-27 14:39                                       ` Mimi Zohar
2017-07-27 14:39                                         ` Mimi Zohar
     [not found]                                         ` <1501166369.28419.171.camel-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-27 17:18                                           ` Magalhaes, Guilherme (Brazil R&D-CL)
2017-07-28 14:19                                           ` Magalhaes, Guilherme (Brazil R&D-CL)
2017-07-27 17:18                                         ` Magalhaes, Guilherme (Brazil R&D-CL)
2017-07-27 17:18                                           ` Magalhaes, Guilherme (Brazil R&D-CL)
2017-07-27 17:49                                           ` Stefan Berger
2017-07-27 17:49                                             ` Stefan Berger
     [not found]                                             ` <3c3d8594-9958-5f53-ec0b-f33c36967f95-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-27 19:39                                               ` Magalhaes, Guilherme (Brazil R&D-CL)
2017-07-27 19:39                                             ` Magalhaes, Guilherme (Brazil R&D-CL)
2017-07-27 19:39                                               ` Magalhaes, Guilherme (Brazil R&D-CL)
2017-07-27 20:51                                               ` Stefan Berger
2017-07-27 20:51                                                 ` Stefan Berger
     [not found]                                               ` <TU4PR84MB030243E7071B5A7455334886FFBE0-cn0wsXH2uUebani3oaRudNicc1VoeDReZmpNikb/MY7jO8Y7rvWZVA@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-27 20:51                                                 ` Stefan Berger
     [not found]                                           ` <TU4PR84MB03025AD26718A173FB3E3F94FFBE0-cn0wsXH2uUebani3oaRudNicc1VoeDReZmpNikb/MY7jO8Y7rvWZVA@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-27 17:49                                             ` Stefan Berger
2017-07-28 14:19                                         ` Magalhaes, Guilherme (Brazil R&D-CL)
2017-07-28 14:19                                           ` Magalhaes, Guilherme (Brazil R&D-CL)
2017-07-31 11:31                                           ` Mimi Zohar
2017-07-31 11:31                                             ` Mimi Zohar
     [not found]                                           ` <TU4PR84MB03025BC4B8DEC44A0D63A298FFBF0-cn0wsXH2uUebani3oaRudNicc1VoeDReZmpNikb/MY7jO8Y7rvWZVA@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-31 11:31                                             ` Mimi Zohar
2017-07-25 21:35                           ` Stefan Berger
2017-07-25 21:35                             ` Stefan Berger
2017-07-25 21:35                             ` Stefan Berger
2018-03-08 14:04                           ` Stefan Berger
2018-03-08 14:04                         ` Stefan Berger
2018-03-08 14:04                           ` Stefan Berger
     [not found]                           ` <97839865-b0ab-8e5d-114e-0603ef2edf6f-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2018-03-09  2:59                             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2018-03-09  2:59                           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2018-03-09  2:59                             ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]                             ` <20180309025942.GA15295-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2018-03-09 13:52                               ` Stefan Berger
2018-03-09 13:52                                 ` Stefan Berger
2018-03-09 13:52                                 ` Stefan Berger
     [not found]                                 ` <ec137677-34f8-df91-0d1c-6c6d6c951496-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2018-03-11 22:58                                   ` James Morris
2018-03-11 22:58                                 ` James Morris
2018-03-11 22:58                                   ` James Morris
     [not found]                                   ` <alpine.LRH.2.21.1803120953310.26512-gx6/JNMH7DfYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org>
2018-03-13 18:02                                     ` Stefan Berger
2018-03-13 18:02                                       ` Stefan Berger
2018-03-13 18:02                                       ` Stefan Berger
     [not found]                                       ` <c39350db-046f-ea70-15e4-210884548b1e-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2018-03-13 21:51                                         ` James Morris
2018-03-13 21:51                                           ` James Morris
2018-03-13 21:51                                           ` James Morris
2017-07-25 20:31                   ` James Bottomley
2017-07-25 20:31                 ` James Bottomley
2017-07-25 20:31                   ` James Bottomley
     [not found]                   ` <1501014695.3689.41.camel-d9PhHud1JfjCXq6kfMZ53/egYHeGw8Jk@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-25 20:47                     ` Mimi Zohar
2017-07-25 20:47                       ` Mimi Zohar
2017-07-25 20:47                       ` Mimi Zohar
     [not found]               ` <1501009739.3689.33.camel-d9PhHud1JfjCXq6kfMZ53/egYHeGw8Jk@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-25 19:48                 ` Mimi Zohar
     [not found]             ` <20170725190406.GA1883-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-25 19:08               ` James Bottomley
2018-03-08 13:39     ` Stefan Berger
2018-03-08 13:39   ` Stefan Berger
2018-03-08 13:39     ` Stefan Berger
     [not found]     ` <2fac8414-6957-1fce-6b40-ad4b687ca83c-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2018-03-08 20:19       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2018-03-08 20:19     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2018-03-08 20:19       ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]       ` <20180308201931.GA6462-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2018-03-08 22:53         ` Stefan Berger
2018-03-08 23:31           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2018-03-08 23:31             ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]           ` <a6ef5679-6aef-21de-7cdb-48e8af83f874-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2018-03-08 23:31             ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found] ` <20170720225033.21298-1-mkayaalp-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-20 22:50   ` Mehmet Kayaalp
2017-07-20 22:50   ` [RFC PATCH 2/5] ima: Add ns_status for storing namespaced iint data Mehmet Kayaalp
2017-07-20 22:50   ` [RFC PATCH 3/5] ima: mamespace audit status flags Mehmet Kayaalp
2017-07-20 22:50   ` [RFC PATCH 4/5] ima: differentiate auditing policy rules from "audit" actions Mehmet Kayaalp
2017-07-20 22:50     ` Mehmet Kayaalp
2017-07-20 22:50     ` Mehmet Kayaalp
2017-07-20 22:50   ` [RFC PATCH 5/5] ima: Add ns_mnt, dev, ino fields to IMA audit measurement msgs Mehmet Kayaalp
2017-07-20 22:50 ` [RFC PATCH 2/5] ima: Add ns_status for storing namespaced iint data Mehmet Kayaalp
2017-07-20 22:50   ` Mehmet Kayaalp
     [not found]   ` <20170720225033.21298-3-mkayaalp-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-25 19:43     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-07-25 19:43       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-07-25 19:43       ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]       ` <20170725194315.GA2397-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-25 20:15         ` Mimi Zohar
2017-07-25 20:15           ` Mimi Zohar
2017-07-25 20:15           ` Mimi Zohar
     [not found]           ` <1501013725.27413.27.camel-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-25 20:25             ` Stefan Berger
2017-07-25 20:25               ` Stefan Berger
2017-07-25 20:25               ` Stefan Berger
2017-07-25 20:49             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-07-25 20:49               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-07-25 20:49               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-08-11 15:00     ` Stefan Berger
2017-08-11 15:00   ` Stefan Berger
2017-08-11 15:00     ` Stefan Berger
2017-07-20 22:50 ` [RFC PATCH 3/5] ima: mamespace audit status flags Mehmet Kayaalp
2017-07-20 22:50   ` Mehmet Kayaalp
     [not found]   ` <20170720225033.21298-4-mkayaalp-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-01 17:17     ` Tycho Andersen via Containers
2017-08-01 17:17   ` Tycho Andersen
2017-08-01 17:17     ` Tycho Andersen
2017-08-01 17:25     ` Mehmet Kayaalp
2017-08-01 17:25       ` Mehmet Kayaalp
2017-08-02 21:48       ` Tycho Andersen
2017-08-02 21:48         ` Tycho Andersen
2017-08-01 17:25     ` Mehmet Kayaalp
2017-07-20 22:50 ` [RFC PATCH 5/5] ima: Add ns_mnt, dev, ino fields to IMA audit measurement msgs Mehmet Kayaalp
2017-07-20 22:50   ` Mehmet Kayaalp

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