[cip-dev] ARM64 and Debian LTS

[cip-dev] ARM64 and Debian LTS

[Agustín Benito Bethencourt]

Hi Ben,

is there any discussion going on about when ARM64 can make it as supported 
architecture? Is it something expected for 2019 or is it not on the roadmap 
yet?

Best Regards

-- 
Agust?n Benito Bethencourt
Principal Consultant
Codethink Ltd

[cip-dev] ARM64 and Debian LTS

[Jan Kiszka]

On 2018-04-16 15:52, Agust?n Benito Bethencourt wrote:
> Hi Ben,
> 
> is there any discussion going on about when ARM64 can make it as supported 
> architecture? Is it something expected for 2019 or is it not on the roadmap 
> yet?

/me confused: https://wiki.debian.org/SupportedArchitectures and
https://www.debian.org/ports/#portlist-released list arm64 as supported
already.

Jan

[cip-dev] ARM64 and Debian LTS

[Wolfgang Mauerer]

On 16.04.2018 16:23, [ext] Jan Kiszka wrote:
> On 2018-04-16 15:52, Agust?n Benito Bethencourt wrote:
>> Hi Ben,
>>
>> is there any discussion going on about when ARM64 can make it as supported
>> architecture? Is it something expected for 2019 or is it not on the roadmap
>> yet?
>
> /me confused: https://wiki.debian.org/SupportedArchitectures and
> https://www.debian.org/ports/#portlist-released list arm64 as supported
> already.

the problem is: supported architecture != LTS architecture.

If we as CIP want arm64 support, we need to either wait for Debian 10
as base platform (which will hopefully include LTS for arm64 by
default), or use our newly to-be-found monetary influence to motivate
Debian to include arm64 in LTS for older releases.

Best regards, Wolfgang

>
> Jan
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[cip-dev] ARM64 and Debian LTS

[Agustín Benito Bethencourt]

Hi,

On Monday, 16 April 2018 16:23:19 CEST Jan Kiszka wrote:
> On 2018-04-16 15:52, Agust?n Benito Bethencourt wrote:
> > Hi Ben,
> > 
> > is there any discussion going on about when ARM64 can make it as supported
> > architecture? Is it something expected for 2019 or is it not on the
> > roadmap
> > yet?
> 
> /me confused: https://wiki.debian.org/SupportedArchitectures and
> https://www.debian.org/ports/#portlist-released list arm64 as supported
> already.

Sorry, referred to LTS supported architecture.

> 
> Jan


-- 
Agust?n Benito Bethencourt
Principal Consultant
Codethink Ltd

[cip-dev] ARM64 and Debian LTS

[Zoran S]

>Wolfgang Mauerer writes:
>
> If we as CIP want arm64 support, we need to either wait for Debian 10
> as base platform (which will hopefully include LTS for arm64 by default)...

Let me (could not speak for others) wait for Debian 10.
Meanwhile/mittlerweile, lot of work with Debian 9... ;-)

Zoran
_______

On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 4:34 PM, Wolfgang Mauerer
<wolfgang.mauerer@siemens.com> wrote:
>
>
> On 16.04.2018 16:23, [ext] Jan Kiszka wrote:
>>
>> On 2018-04-16 15:52, Agust?n Benito Bethencourt wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Ben,
>>>
>>> is there any discussion going on about when ARM64 can make it as
>>> supported
>>> architecture? Is it something expected for 2019 or is it not on the
>>> roadmap
>>> yet?
>>
>>
>> /me confused: https://wiki.debian.org/SupportedArchitectures and
>> https://www.debian.org/ports/#portlist-released list arm64 as supported
>> already.
>
>
> the problem is: supported architecture != LTS architecture.
>
> If we as CIP want arm64 support, we need to either wait for Debian 10
> as base platform (which will hopefully include LTS for arm64 by
> default), or use our newly to-be-found monetary influence to motivate
> Debian to include arm64 in LTS for older releases.
>
> Best regards, Wolfgang
>
>
>>
>> Jan
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>> cip-dev at lists.cip-project.org
>> https://lists.cip-project.org/mailman/listinfo/cip-dev
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[cip-dev] ARM64 and Debian LTS

[Ben Hutchings]

On Mon, 2018-04-16 at 17:07 +0200, Agust?n Benito Bethencourt wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On Monday, 16 April 2018 16:23:19 CEST Jan Kiszka wrote:
> > On 2018-04-16 15:52, Agust?n Benito Bethencourt wrote:
> > > Hi Ben,
> > > 
> > > is there any discussion going on about when ARM64 can make it as supported
> > > architecture? Is it something expected for 2019 or is it not on the
> > > roadmap
> > > yet?
> > 
> > /me confused: https://wiki.debian.org/SupportedArchitectures and
> > https://www.debian.org/ports/#portlist-released list arm64 as supported
> > already.
> 
> Sorry, referred to LTS supported architecture.

The list of architectures for jessie LTS is not decided and I haven't
seen any discussion of it yet.  The starting point for discussion would
be the list of architectures included in Debian 7 LTS, and that didn't
include arm64 because it wasn't in Debian 7 to start with.

I think that a proposal to include arm64 in Debian 8 LTS would probably
be accepted.  There should be no practical issues with maintaining the
infrastructure for it as arm64 hardware is only becoming more easily
available.

So I suggest that the interested organisations speak up on the debian-
lts mailing list.  For reference, here's the discussion of adding armel
and armhf back in 2016:
<https://lists.debian.org/debian-lts/2016/04/msg00045.html>.  Note in
particular that there is some sensitivity about companies paying for
development work while being "free-riders" on Debian infrastructure. 
These organisations should consider sponsoring Debian, or pledging to
contribute development or testing effort directly, instead of or as
well as paying Freexian or other contractors working on Debian LTS.

Ben.

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Ben Hutchings
Software Developer, Codethink Ltd.

[cip-dev] ARM64 and Debian LTS

[Florian Weimer]

* Ben Hutchings:

> The list of architectures for jessie LTS is not decided and I haven't
> seen any discussion of it yet.  The starting point for discussion would
> be the list of architectures included in Debian 7 LTS, and that didn't
> include arm64 because it wasn't in Debian 7 to start with.
>
> I think that a proposal to include arm64 in Debian 8 LTS would probably
> be accepted.  There should be no practical issues with maintaining the
> infrastructure for it as arm64 hardware is only becoming more easily
> available.

Does it?  I don't think there is any commercially viable, server-class
arm64 hardware you can buy today.  How can you promise long-term
support for hardware that does not actually exist?

[cip-dev] ARM64 and Debian LTS

[Ben Hutchings]

On Wed, 2018-04-18 at 19:29 +0200, Florian Weimer wrote:
> * Ben Hutchings:
> 
> > The list of architectures for jessie LTS is not decided and I haven't
> > seen any discussion of it yet.??The starting point for discussion would
> > be the list of architectures included in Debian 7 LTS, and that didn't
> > include arm64 because it wasn't in Debian 7 to start with.
> > 
> > I think that a proposal to include arm64 in Debian 8 LTS would probably
> > be accepted.??There should be no practical issues with maintaining the
> > infrastructure for it as arm64 hardware is only becoming more easily
> > available.
> 
> Does it???I don't think there is any commercially viable, server-class
> arm64 hardware you can buy today.??How can you promise long-term
> support for hardware that does not actually exist?

Debian prefers but doesn't absolutely require server type systems. 
None of the existing ARM (32-bit) or MIPS systems used as Debian
buildds or porterboxes appear to be designed as servers.

Ben.

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Ben Hutchings
Software Developer, Codethink Ltd.