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From: Nicholas Piggin <npiggin@gmail.com>
To: Haren Myneni <haren@linux.ibm.com>,
	herbert@gondor.apana.org.au, linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org,
	linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org, mpe@ellerman.id.au
Cc: haren@us.ibm.com, hbabu@us.ibm.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 12/17] powerpc/pseries/vas: Integrate API with open/close windows
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2021 13:22:05 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1624072607.4axs4cpe7w.astroid@bobo.none> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <0d6ca1ec553a61b219f42ebf6699dd6c56e2e978.camel@linux.ibm.com>

Excerpts from Haren Myneni's message of June 18, 2021 5:49 pm:
> On Fri, 2021-06-18 at 09:22 +1000, Nicholas Piggin wrote:
>> Excerpts from Haren Myneni's message of June 18, 2021 6:36 am:
>> > This patch adds VAS window allocatioa/close with the corresponding
>> > hcalls. Also changes to integrate with the existing user space VAS
>> > API and provide register/unregister functions to NX pseries driver.
>> > 
>> > The driver register function is used to create the user space
>> > interface (/dev/crypto/nx-gzip) and unregister to remove this
>> > entry.
>> > 
>> > The user space process opens this device node and makes an ioctl
>> > to allocate VAS window. The close interface is used to deallocate
>> > window.
>> > 
>> > Signed-off-by: Haren Myneni <haren@linux.ibm.com>
>> 
>> Reviewed-by: Nicholas Piggin <npiggin@gmail.com>
>> 
>> Unless there is some significant performance reason it might be
>> simplest
>> to take the mutex for the duration of the allocate and frees rather
>> than 
>> taking it several times, covering the atomic with the lock instead.
>> 
>> You have a big lock, might as well use it and not have to wonder what
>> if 
>> things race here or there.
> 
> Using mutex to protect allocate/deallocate window and setup/free IRQ,
> also to protect updating the list. We do not need lock for modify
> window hcall and other things. Hence taking mutex several times.

Right, at which point you have to consider what happens with 
interleaving allocates and deallocates. I'm not saying it's wrong, just 
that if you do credential allocation, hcall allocation, irq allocation, 
and list insertion all under the one lock, and remoe it all under the 
one lock, concurrency requires less attention.


> Also
> used atomic for counters (used_lpar_creds) which can be exported in
> sysfs (this patch will be added later in next enhancement seris). 

That's okay you can use mutexes for that too if that's how you're
protecting them.

> 
> Genarlly applications open window initially, do continuous copy/paste
> operations and close window later. But possible that the library /
> application to open/close window for each request. Also may be opening
> or closing multiple windows (say 1000 depends on cores on the system)
> at the same time. These cases may affect the application performance.

It definitely could if you have a lot of concurrent open/close, but
the code as is won't handle it all that well either, so there's the
question of what is reasonable to do and what is reasonable to add
concurrency complexity for.

As I said, you've got it working and seem to have covered all cases now 
so let's get the series in first. But something to consider changing
IMO.

Thanks,
Nick

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Nicholas Piggin <npiggin@gmail.com>
To: Haren Myneni <haren@linux.ibm.com>,
	herbert@gondor.apana.org.au, linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org,
	linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org, mpe@ellerman.id.au
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 12/17] powerpc/pseries/vas: Integrate API with open/close windows
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2021 13:22:05 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1624072607.4axs4cpe7w.astroid@bobo.none> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <0d6ca1ec553a61b219f42ebf6699dd6c56e2e978.camel@linux.ibm.com>

Excerpts from Haren Myneni's message of June 18, 2021 5:49 pm:
> On Fri, 2021-06-18 at 09:22 +1000, Nicholas Piggin wrote:
>> Excerpts from Haren Myneni's message of June 18, 2021 6:36 am:
>> > This patch adds VAS window allocatioa/close with the corresponding
>> > hcalls. Also changes to integrate with the existing user space VAS
>> > API and provide register/unregister functions to NX pseries driver.
>> > 
>> > The driver register function is used to create the user space
>> > interface (/dev/crypto/nx-gzip) and unregister to remove this
>> > entry.
>> > 
>> > The user space process opens this device node and makes an ioctl
>> > to allocate VAS window. The close interface is used to deallocate
>> > window.
>> > 
>> > Signed-off-by: Haren Myneni <haren@linux.ibm.com>
>> 
>> Reviewed-by: Nicholas Piggin <npiggin@gmail.com>
>> 
>> Unless there is some significant performance reason it might be
>> simplest
>> to take the mutex for the duration of the allocate and frees rather
>> than 
>> taking it several times, covering the atomic with the lock instead.
>> 
>> You have a big lock, might as well use it and not have to wonder what
>> if 
>> things race here or there.
> 
> Using mutex to protect allocate/deallocate window and setup/free IRQ,
> also to protect updating the list. We do not need lock for modify
> window hcall and other things. Hence taking mutex several times.

Right, at which point you have to consider what happens with 
interleaving allocates and deallocates. I'm not saying it's wrong, just 
that if you do credential allocation, hcall allocation, irq allocation, 
and list insertion all under the one lock, and remoe it all under the 
one lock, concurrency requires less attention.


> Also
> used atomic for counters (used_lpar_creds) which can be exported in
> sysfs (this patch will be added later in next enhancement seris). 

That's okay you can use mutexes for that too if that's how you're
protecting them.

> 
> Genarlly applications open window initially, do continuous copy/paste
> operations and close window later. But possible that the library /
> application to open/close window for each request. Also may be opening
> or closing multiple windows (say 1000 depends on cores on the system)
> at the same time. These cases may affect the application performance.

It definitely could if you have a lot of concurrent open/close, but
the code as is won't handle it all that well either, so there's the
question of what is reasonable to do and what is reasonable to add
concurrency complexity for.

As I said, you've got it working and seem to have covered all cases now 
so let's get the series in first. But something to consider changing
IMO.

Thanks,
Nick

  reply	other threads:[~2021-06-19  3:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-06-17 20:24 [PATCH v6 00/17] Enable VAS and NX-GZIP support on PowerVM Haren Myneni
2021-06-17 20:24 ` Haren Myneni
2021-06-17 20:29 ` [PATCH v6 01/17] powerpc/powernv/vas: Release reference to tgid during window close Haren Myneni
2021-06-17 20:29   ` Haren Myneni
2021-06-17 20:29 ` [PATCH v6 02/17] powerpc/vas: Move VAS API to book3s common platform Haren Myneni
2021-06-17 20:29   ` Haren Myneni
2021-06-17 20:30 ` [PATCH v6 03/17] powerpc/powernv/vas: Rename register/unregister functions Haren Myneni
2021-06-17 20:30   ` Haren Myneni
2021-06-17 20:31 ` [PATCH v6 04/17] powerpc/vas: Add platform specific user window operations Haren Myneni
2021-06-17 20:31   ` Haren Myneni
2021-06-17 23:27   ` Nicholas Piggin
2021-06-17 23:27     ` Nicholas Piggin
2021-06-17 20:31 ` [PATCH v6 05/17] powerpc/vas: Create take/drop pid and mm reference functions Haren Myneni
2021-06-17 20:31   ` Haren Myneni
2021-06-17 20:32 ` [PATCH v6 06/17] powerpc/vas: Move update_csb/dump_crb to common book3s platform Haren Myneni
2021-06-17 20:32   ` Haren Myneni
2021-06-17 23:10   ` Nicholas Piggin
2021-06-17 23:10     ` Nicholas Piggin
2021-06-17 20:33 ` [PATCH v6 07/17] powerpc/vas: Define and use common vas_window struct Haren Myneni
2021-06-17 20:33   ` Haren Myneni
2021-06-17 20:34 ` [PATCH v6 08/17] powerpc/pseries/vas: Define VAS/NXGZIP hcalls and structs Haren Myneni
2021-06-17 20:34   ` Haren Myneni
2021-06-17 20:34 ` [PATCH v6 09/17] powerpc/vas: Define QoS credit flag to allocate window Haren Myneni
2021-06-17 20:34   ` Haren Myneni
2021-06-17 20:35 ` [PATCH v6 10/17] powerpc/pseries/vas: Add hcall wrappers for VAS handling Haren Myneni
2021-06-17 20:35   ` Haren Myneni
2021-06-17 20:35 ` [PATCH v6 11/17] powerpc/pseries/vas: Implement getting capabilities from hypervisor Haren Myneni
2021-06-17 20:35   ` Haren Myneni
2021-06-17 23:24   ` Nicholas Piggin
2021-06-17 23:24     ` Nicholas Piggin
2021-06-17 20:36 ` [PATCH v6 12/17] powerpc/pseries/vas: Integrate API with open/close windows Haren Myneni
2021-06-17 20:36   ` Haren Myneni
2021-06-17 23:22   ` Nicholas Piggin
2021-06-17 23:22     ` Nicholas Piggin
2021-06-18  7:49     ` Haren Myneni
2021-06-18  7:49       ` Haren Myneni
2021-06-19  3:22       ` Nicholas Piggin [this message]
2021-06-19  3:22         ` Nicholas Piggin
2021-06-17 20:37 ` [PATCH v6 13/17] powerpc/pseries/vas: Setup IRQ and fault handling Haren Myneni
2021-06-17 20:37   ` Haren Myneni
2021-06-17 23:34   ` Nicholas Piggin
2021-06-17 23:34     ` Nicholas Piggin
2021-06-18  2:09     ` Haren Myneni
2021-06-18  2:09       ` Haren Myneni
2021-06-19  3:22       ` Nicholas Piggin
2021-06-19  3:22         ` Nicholas Piggin
2021-06-17 20:37 ` [PATCH v6 14/17] crypto/nx: Rename nx-842-pseries file name to nx-common-pseries Haren Myneni
2021-06-17 20:37   ` Haren Myneni
2021-06-17 20:38 ` [PATCH v6 15/17] crypto/nx: Get NX capabilities for GZIP coprocessor type Haren Myneni
2021-06-17 20:38   ` Haren Myneni
2021-06-17 23:35   ` Nicholas Piggin
2021-06-17 23:35     ` Nicholas Piggin
2021-06-17 20:39 ` [PATCH v6 16/17] crypto/nx: Add sysfs interface to export NX capabilities Haren Myneni
2021-06-17 20:39   ` Haren Myneni
2021-06-17 23:41   ` Nicholas Piggin
2021-06-17 23:41     ` Nicholas Piggin
2021-06-17 20:39 ` [PATCH v6 17/17] crypto/nx: Register and unregister VAS interface on PowerVM Haren Myneni
2021-06-17 20:39   ` Haren Myneni
2021-06-24 14:03 ` [PATCH v6 00/17] Enable VAS and NX-GZIP support " Michael Ellerman
2021-06-24 14:03   ` Michael Ellerman

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