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From: Byungchul Park <byungchul.park@lge.com>
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Subject: Re: [REPORT] syscall reboot + umh + firmware fallback
Date: Thu, 12 May 2022 20:18:24 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1652354304-17492-1-git-send-email-byungchul.park@lge.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YnzQHWASAxsGL9HW@slm.duckdns.org>

Tejun wrote:
> Hello,

Hello,

> I'm not sure I'm reading it correctly but it looks like "process B" column

I think you're interpreting the report correctly.

> is superflous given that it's waiting on the same lock to do the same thing
> that A is already doing (besides, you can't really halt the machine twice).

Indeed! I've been in a daze. I thought kernel_halt() can be called twice
by two different purposes. Sorry for the noise.

> What it's reporting seems to be ABBA deadlock between A waiting on
> umhelper_sem and C waiting on fw_st->completion. The report seems spurious:
>
> 1. wait_for_completion_killable_timeout() doesn't need someone to wake it up
>    to make forward progress because it will unstick itself after timeout
>    expires.

I have a question about this one. Yes, it would never been stuck thanks
to timeout. However, IIUC, timeouts are not supposed to expire in normal
cases. So I thought a timeout expiration means not a normal case so need
to inform it in terms of dependency so as to prevent further expiraton.
That's why I have been trying to track even timeout'ed APIs.

Do you think DEPT shouldn't track timeout APIs? If I was wrong, I
shouldn't track the timeout APIs any more.

> 2. complete_all() from __fw_load_abort() isn't the only source of wakeup.
>    The fw loader can be, and mainly should be, woken up by firmware loading
>    actually completing instead of being aborted.

This is the point I'd like to ask. In normal cases, fw_load_done() might
happen, of course, if the loading gets completed. However, I was
wondering if the kernel ensures either fw_load_done() or fw_load_abort()
to be called by *another* context while kernel_halt().

> Thanks.

Thank you very much!

	Byungchul

> 
> -- 
> tejun
> 

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Byungchul Park <byungchul.park@lge.com>
To: tj@kernel.org
Cc: hamohammed.sa@gmail.com, jack@suse.cz, peterz@infradead.org,
	daniel.vetter@ffwll.ch, amir73il@gmail.com, david@fromorbit.com,
	dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org, chris@chris-wilson.co.uk,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-ide@vger.kernel.org,
	adilger.kernel@dilger.ca, joel@joelfernandes.org,
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	damien.lemoal@opensource.wdc.com, willy@infradead.org,
	hch@infradead.org, mingo@redhat.com, djwong@kernel.org,
	vdavydov.dev@gmail.com, rientjes@google.com, dennis@kernel.org,
	linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, ngupta@vflare.org,
	johannes.berg@intel.com, jack@suse.com, dan.j.williams@intel.com,
	josef@toxicpanda.com, rostedt@goodmis.org,
	linux-block@vger.kernel.org, jglisse@redhat.com,
	viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk, tglx@linutronix.de, mhocko@kernel.org,
	vbabka@suse.cz, melissa.srw@gmail.com, sj@kernel.org,
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	jlayton@kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
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	holt@sgi.com, hannes@cmpxchg.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, torvalds@linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: [REPORT] syscall reboot + umh + firmware fallback
Date: Thu, 12 May 2022 20:18:24 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1652354304-17492-1-git-send-email-byungchul.park@lge.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YnzQHWASAxsGL9HW@slm.duckdns.org>

Tejun wrote:
> Hello,

Hello,

> I'm not sure I'm reading it correctly but it looks like "process B" column

I think you're interpreting the report correctly.

> is superflous given that it's waiting on the same lock to do the same thing
> that A is already doing (besides, you can't really halt the machine twice).

Indeed! I've been in a daze. I thought kernel_halt() can be called twice
by two different purposes. Sorry for the noise.

> What it's reporting seems to be ABBA deadlock between A waiting on
> umhelper_sem and C waiting on fw_st->completion. The report seems spurious:
>
> 1. wait_for_completion_killable_timeout() doesn't need someone to wake it up
>    to make forward progress because it will unstick itself after timeout
>    expires.

I have a question about this one. Yes, it would never been stuck thanks
to timeout. However, IIUC, timeouts are not supposed to expire in normal
cases. So I thought a timeout expiration means not a normal case so need
to inform it in terms of dependency so as to prevent further expiraton.
That's why I have been trying to track even timeout'ed APIs.

Do you think DEPT shouldn't track timeout APIs? If I was wrong, I
shouldn't track the timeout APIs any more.

> 2. complete_all() from __fw_load_abort() isn't the only source of wakeup.
>    The fw loader can be, and mainly should be, woken up by firmware loading
>    actually completing instead of being aborted.

This is the point I'd like to ask. In normal cases, fw_load_done() might
happen, of course, if the loading gets completed. However, I was
wondering if the kernel ensures either fw_load_done() or fw_load_abort()
to be called by *another* context while kernel_halt().

> Thanks.

Thank you very much!

	Byungchul

> 
> -- 
> tejun
> 

  reply	other threads:[~2022-05-12 11:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 105+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-05-04  8:17 [PATCH RFC v6 00/21] DEPT(Dependency Tracker) Byungchul Park
2022-05-04  8:17 ` Byungchul Park
2022-05-04  8:17 ` [PATCH RFC v6 01/21] llist: Move llist_{head,node} definition to types.h Byungchul Park
2022-05-04  8:17   ` [PATCH RFC v6 01/21] llist: Move llist_{head, node} " Byungchul Park
2022-05-04  8:17 ` [PATCH RFC v6 02/21] dept: Implement Dept(Dependency Tracker) Byungchul Park
2022-05-04  8:17   ` Byungchul Park
2022-05-04 13:29   ` kernel test robot
2022-05-21  3:24   ` Hyeonggon Yoo
2022-05-21  3:24     ` Hyeonggon Yoo
2022-05-04  8:17 ` [PATCH RFC v6 03/21] dept: Apply Dept to spinlock Byungchul Park
2022-05-04  8:17   ` Byungchul Park
2022-05-04  8:17 ` [PATCH RFC v6 04/21] dept: Apply Dept to mutex families Byungchul Park
2022-05-04  8:17   ` Byungchul Park
2022-05-04  8:17 ` [PATCH RFC v6 05/21] dept: Apply Dept to rwlock Byungchul Park
2022-05-04  8:17   ` Byungchul Park
2022-05-04  8:17 ` [PATCH RFC v6 06/21] dept: Apply Dept to wait_for_completion()/complete() Byungchul Park
2022-05-04  8:17   ` Byungchul Park
2022-05-04  8:17 ` [PATCH RFC v6 07/21] dept: Apply Dept to seqlock Byungchul Park
2022-05-04  8:17   ` Byungchul Park
2022-05-21  5:25   ` Hyeonggon Yoo
2022-05-21  5:25     ` Hyeonggon Yoo
2022-05-24  6:00     ` Byungchul Park
2022-05-24  6:00       ` Byungchul Park
2022-05-04  8:17 ` [PATCH RFC v6 08/21] dept: Apply Dept to rwsem Byungchul Park
2022-05-04  8:17   ` Byungchul Park
2022-05-04  8:17 ` [PATCH RFC v6 09/21] dept: Add proc knobs to show stats and dependency graph Byungchul Park
2022-05-04  8:17   ` Byungchul Park
2022-05-04  8:17 ` [PATCH RFC v6 10/21] dept: Introduce split map concept and new APIs for them Byungchul Park
2022-05-04  8:17   ` Byungchul Park
2022-05-04  8:17 ` [PATCH RFC v6 11/21] dept: Apply Dept to wait/event of PG_{locked,writeback} Byungchul Park
2022-05-04  8:17   ` [PATCH RFC v6 11/21] dept: Apply Dept to wait/event of PG_{locked, writeback} Byungchul Park
2022-05-04  8:17 ` [PATCH RFC v6 12/21] dept: Apply SDT to swait Byungchul Park
2022-05-04  8:17   ` Byungchul Park
2022-05-04  8:17 ` [PATCH RFC v6 13/21] dept: Apply SDT to wait(waitqueue) Byungchul Park
2022-05-04  8:17   ` Byungchul Park
2022-05-04  8:17 ` [PATCH RFC v6 14/21] locking/lockdep, cpu/hotplus: Use a weaker annotation in AP thread Byungchul Park
2022-05-04  8:17   ` Byungchul Park
2022-05-04  8:17 ` [PATCH RFC v6 15/21] dept: Distinguish each syscall context from another Byungchul Park
2022-05-04  8:17   ` Byungchul Park
2022-05-04  8:17 ` [PATCH RFC v6 16/21] dept: Distinguish each work " Byungchul Park
2022-05-04  8:17   ` Byungchul Park
2022-05-04 11:23   ` Sergey Shtylyov
2022-05-04 11:23     ` Sergey Shtylyov
2022-05-04  8:17 ` [PATCH RFC v6 17/21] dept: Disable Dept within the wait_bit layer by default Byungchul Park
2022-05-04  8:17   ` Byungchul Park
2022-05-04  8:17 ` [PATCH RFC v6 18/21] dept: Disable Dept on struct crypto_larval's completion for now Byungchul Park
2022-05-04  8:17   ` Byungchul Park
2022-05-04  8:17 ` [PATCH RFC v6 19/21] dept: Differentiate onstack maps from others of different tasks in class Byungchul Park
2022-05-04  8:17   ` Byungchul Park
2022-05-04  8:17 ` [PATCH RFC v6 20/21] dept: Do not add dependencies between events within scheduler and sleeps Byungchul Park
2022-05-04  8:17   ` Byungchul Park
2022-05-04  8:17 ` [PATCH RFC v6 21/21] dept: Unstage wait when tagging a normal sleep wait Byungchul Park
2022-05-04  8:17   ` Byungchul Park
2022-05-04 18:17 ` [PATCH RFC v6 00/21] DEPT(Dependency Tracker) Linus Torvalds
2022-05-04 18:17   ` Linus Torvalds
2022-05-06  0:11   ` Byungchul Park
2022-05-06  0:11     ` Byungchul Park
2022-05-07  7:20     ` Hyeonggon Yoo
2022-05-07  7:20       ` Hyeonggon Yoo
2022-05-09  0:16       ` Byungchul Park
2022-05-09  0:16         ` Byungchul Park
2022-05-09 20:47         ` Steven Rostedt
2022-05-09 20:47           ` Steven Rostedt
2022-05-09 23:38           ` Byungchul Park
2022-05-09 23:38             ` Byungchul Park
2022-05-10 14:12             ` Steven Rostedt
2022-05-10 14:12               ` Steven Rostedt
2022-05-10 23:26               ` Byungchul Park
2022-05-10 23:26                 ` Byungchul Park
2022-05-10 11:18         ` Hyeonggon Yoo
2022-05-10 11:18           ` Hyeonggon Yoo
2022-05-10 23:39           ` Byungchul Park
2022-05-10 23:39             ` Byungchul Park
2022-05-11 10:04             ` Hyeonggon Yoo
2022-05-11 10:04               ` Hyeonggon Yoo
2022-05-19 10:11               ` Catalin Marinas
2022-05-19 10:11                 ` Catalin Marinas
2022-05-23  2:43                 ` Byungchul Park
2022-05-23  2:43                   ` Byungchul Park
2022-05-09  1:22   ` Byungchul Park
2022-05-09  1:22     ` Byungchul Park
2022-05-09 21:05 ` Theodore Ts'o
2022-05-09 21:05   ` Theodore Ts'o
2022-05-09 22:28   ` Theodore Ts'o
2022-05-09 22:28     ` Theodore Ts'o
2022-05-10  0:32     ` Byungchul Park
2022-05-10  0:32       ` Byungchul Park
2022-05-10  1:32       ` Theodore Ts'o
2022-05-10  1:32         ` Theodore Ts'o
2022-05-10  5:37         ` Byungchul Park
2022-05-10  5:37           ` Byungchul Park
2022-05-11  1:16           ` Byungchul Park
2022-05-11  1:16             ` Byungchul Park
2022-05-12  5:25 ` [REPORT] syscall reboot + umh + firmware fallback Byungchul Park
2022-05-12  5:25   ` Byungchul Park
2022-05-12  9:15   ` Tejun Heo
2022-05-12  9:15     ` Tejun Heo
2022-05-12 11:18     ` Byungchul Park [this message]
2022-05-12 11:18       ` Byungchul Park
2022-05-12 13:56       ` Theodore Ts'o
2022-05-12 13:56         ` Theodore Ts'o
2022-05-23  1:10         ` Byungchul Park
2022-05-23  1:10           ` Byungchul Park
2022-05-12 16:41       ` Tejun Heo
2022-05-12 16:41         ` Tejun Heo

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