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From: "Zheng, Lv" <lv.zheng@intel.com>
To: Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>
Cc: linux-edac <linux-edac@vger.kernel.org>,
	Jiri Kosina <jkosina@suse.cz>, Borislav Petkov <bp@suse.de>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>,
	Len Brown <lenb@kernel.org>, "Luck, Tony" <tony.luck@intel.com>,
	Tomasz Nowicki <tomasz.nowicki@linaro.org>,
	"Chen, Gong" <gong.chen@linux.intel.com>,
	Wolfram Sang <wsa@the-dreams.de>,
	Naoya Horiguchi <n-horiguchi@ah.jp.nec.com>,
	"linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org" <linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: RE: [RFC PATCH 5/5] GHES: Make NMI handler have a single reader
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2015 08:05:12 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1AE640813FDE7649BE1B193DEA596E8802712130@SHSMSX101.ccr.corp.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150429081355.GA5498@pd.tnic>

Hi,

> From: Borislav Petkov [mailto:bp@alien8.de]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 4:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 5/5] GHES: Make NMI handler have a single reader
> 
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 12:49:59AM +0000, Zheng, Lv wrote:
> > > > We absolutely want to use atomic_add_unless() because we get to save us
> > > > the expensive
> > > >
> > > > 	LOCK; CMPXCHG
> > > >
> > > > if the value was already 1. Which is exactly what this patch is trying
> > > > to avoid - a thundering herd of cores CMPXCHGing a global variable.
> > >
> > > IMO, on most architectures, the "cmp" part should work just like what you've done with "if".
> > > And on some architectures, if the "xchg" doesn't happen, the "cmp" part even won't cause a pipe line hazard.
> 
> Even if CMPXCHG is being split into several microops, they all still
> need to flow down the pipe and require resources and tracking. And you
> only know at retire time what the CMP result is and can "discard" the
> XCHG part. Provided the uarch is smart enough to do that.
> 
> This is probably why CMPXCHG needs 5,6,7,10,22,... cycles depending on
> uarch and vendor, if I can trust Agner Fog's tables. And I bet those
> numbers are best-case only and in real-life they probably tend to fall
> out even worse.
> 
> CMP needs only 1. On almost every uarch and vendor. And even that cycle
> probably gets hidden with a good branch predictor.

Are there any such data around the SC and LL (MIPS)?

> 
> > If you man the LOCK prefix, I understand now.
> 
> And that makes several times worse: 22, 40, 80, ... cycles.

I'm OK if the code still keeps the readability then.

Thanks and best regards
-Lv

> 
> --
> Regards/Gruss,
>     Boris.
> 
> ECO tip #101: Trim your mails when you reply.
> --

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: "Zheng, Lv" <lv.zheng@intel.com>
To: Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>
Cc: linux-edac <linux-edac@vger.kernel.org>,
	Jiri Kosina <jkosina@suse.cz>, Borislav Petkov <bp@suse.de>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>,
	"Len Brown" <lenb@kernel.org>, "Luck, Tony" <tony.luck@intel.com>,
	Tomasz Nowicki <tomasz.nowicki@linaro.org>,
	"Chen, Gong" <gong.chen@linux.intel.com>,
	Wolfram Sang <wsa@the-dreams.de>,
	Naoya Horiguchi <n-horiguchi@ah.jp.nec.com>,
	"linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org" <linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: RE: [RFC PATCH 5/5] GHES: Make NMI handler have a single reader
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2015 08:05:12 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1AE640813FDE7649BE1B193DEA596E8802712130@SHSMSX101.ccr.corp.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150429081355.GA5498@pd.tnic>

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Hi,

> From: Borislav Petkov [mailto:bp@alien8.de]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 4:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 5/5] GHES: Make NMI handler have a single reader
> 
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 12:49:59AM +0000, Zheng, Lv wrote:
> > > > We absolutely want to use atomic_add_unless() because we get to save us
> > > > the expensive
> > > >
> > > > 	LOCK; CMPXCHG
> > > >
> > > > if the value was already 1. Which is exactly what this patch is trying
> > > > to avoid - a thundering herd of cores CMPXCHGing a global variable.
> > >
> > > IMO, on most architectures, the "cmp" part should work just like what you've done with "if".
> > > And on some architectures, if the "xchg" doesn't happen, the "cmp" part even won't cause a pipe line hazard.
> 
> Even if CMPXCHG is being split into several microops, they all still
> need to flow down the pipe and require resources and tracking. And you
> only know at retire time what the CMP result is and can "discard" the
> XCHG part. Provided the uarch is smart enough to do that.
> 
> This is probably why CMPXCHG needs 5,6,7,10,22,... cycles depending on
> uarch and vendor, if I can trust Agner Fog's tables. And I bet those
> numbers are best-case only and in real-life they probably tend to fall
> out even worse.
> 
> CMP needs only 1. On almost every uarch and vendor. And even that cycle
> probably gets hidden with a good branch predictor.

Are there any such data around the SC and LL (MIPS)?

> 
> > If you man the LOCK prefix, I understand now.
> 
> And that makes several times worse: 22, 40, 80, ... cycles.

I'm OK if the code still keeps the readability then.

Thanks and best regards
-Lv

> 
> --
> Regards/Gruss,
>     Boris.
> 
> ECO tip #101: Trim your mails when you reply.
> --
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  reply	other threads:[~2015-04-30  8:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-03-27  9:22 [RFC PATCH 0/5] GHES NMI handler cleanup Borislav Petkov
2015-03-27  9:22 ` [RFC PATCH 1/5] GHES: Carve out error queueing in a separate function Borislav Petkov
2015-03-27  9:22 ` [RFC PATCH 2/5] GHES: Carve out the panic functionality Borislav Petkov
2015-03-27  9:22 ` [RFC PATCH 3/5] GHES: Panic right after detection Borislav Petkov
2015-03-27  9:22 ` [RFC PATCH 4/5] GHES: Elliminate double-loop in the NMI handler Borislav Petkov
2015-03-27  9:22 ` [RFC PATCH 5/5] GHES: Make NMI handler have a single reader Borislav Petkov
2015-04-01  7:45   ` Jiri Kosina
2015-04-01 13:49     ` Borislav Petkov
2015-04-23  8:39       ` Jiri Kosina
2015-04-23  8:59         ` Borislav Petkov
2015-04-23 18:00           ` Luck, Tony
2015-04-23 18:00             ` Luck, Tony
2015-04-27 20:23             ` Borislav Petkov
2015-04-28 14:30     ` Don Zickus
2015-04-28 14:42       ` Don Zickus
2015-04-28 14:55       ` Borislav Petkov
2015-04-28 15:35         ` Don Zickus
2015-04-28 16:22           ` Borislav Petkov
2015-04-28 18:44             ` Don Zickus
2015-05-04 15:40               ` Borislav Petkov
2015-04-27  3:16   ` Zheng, Lv
2015-04-27  8:46     ` Borislav Petkov
2015-04-28  0:44       ` Zheng, Lv
2015-04-28  0:44         ` Zheng, Lv
2015-04-28  2:24       ` Zheng, Lv
2015-04-28  2:24         ` Zheng, Lv
2015-04-28  7:38         ` Borislav Petkov
2015-04-28 13:38   ` Zheng, Lv
2015-04-28 13:59     ` Borislav Petkov
2015-04-29  0:24       ` Zheng, Lv
2015-04-29  0:24         ` Zheng, Lv
2015-04-29  0:49       ` Zheng, Lv
2015-04-29  0:49         ` Zheng, Lv
2015-04-29  8:13         ` Borislav Petkov
2015-04-30  8:05           ` Zheng, Lv [this message]
2015-04-30  8:05             ` Zheng, Lv
2015-04-30  8:48             ` Borislav Petkov
2015-05-02  0:34               ` Zheng, Lv
2015-05-02  0:34                 ` Zheng, Lv

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