All of lore.kernel.org
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: Lu Baolu <baolu.lu@linux.intel.com>
To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
Cc: baolu.lu@linux.intel.com, Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Joerg Roedel <joro@8bytes.org>,
	Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>,
	Bjorn Helgaas <bhelgaas@google.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Kevin Tian <kevin.tian@intel.com>,
	Ashok Raj <ashok.raj@intel.com>, Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	rafael@kernel.org, Diana Craciun <diana.craciun@oss.nxp.com>,
	Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>,
	Eric Auger <eric.auger@redhat.com>, Liu Yi L <yi.l.liu@intel.com>,
	Jacob jun Pan <jacob.jun.pan@intel.com>,
	Chaitanya Kulkarni <kch@nvidia.com>,
	Stuart Yoder <stuyoder@gmail.com>,
	Laurentiu Tudor <laurentiu.tudor@nxp.com>,
	Thierry Reding <thierry.reding@gmail.com>,
	David Airlie <airlied@linux.ie>, Daniel Vetter <daniel@ffwll.ch>,
	Jonathan Hunter <jonathanh@nvidia.com>,
	Li Yang <leoyang.li@nxp.com>, Dmitry Osipenko <digetx@gmail.com>,
	iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org, linux-pci@vger.kernel.org,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 07/13] iommu: Add iommu_at[de]tach_device_shared() for multi-device groups
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2022 09:53:47 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1a22fecf-9cba-76f8-7dc4-88a56b2457cd@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20211224025036.GD1779224@nvidia.com>

On 12/24/21 10:50 AM, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
>>> We don't need _USER anymore because iommu_group_set_dma_owner() always
>>> does detatch, and iommu_replace_group_domain() avoids ever reassigning
>>> default_domain. The sepecial USER behavior falls out automatically.
>> This means we will grow more group-centric interfaces. My understanding
>> is the opposite that we should hide the concept of group in IOMMU
>> subsystem, and the device drivers only faces device specific interfaces.
> Ideally group interfaces would be reduced, but in this case VFIO needs
> the group. It has sort of a fundamental problem with its uAPI that
> expects the container is fully setup with a domain at the moment the
> group is attached. So deferring domain setup to when the device is
> available becomes a user visible artifact - and if this is important
> or not is a whole research question that isn't really that important
> for this series.
> 
> We also can't just pull a device out of thin air, a device that hasn't
> been probed() hasn't even had dma_configure called! Let alone the
> lifetime and locking problems with that kind of idea.
> 
> So.. leaving it as a group interface makes the most sense,
> particularly for this series which is really about fixing the sharing
> model in the iommu core and deleting the BUG_ONs.

I feel it makes more sense if we leave the attach_device/group
refactoring patches into a separated series. I will come up with this
new series so that people can review and comment on the real code.

Best regards,
baolu

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Lu Baolu <baolu.lu@linux.intel.com>
To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
Cc: Stuart Yoder <stuyoder@gmail.com>,
	rafael@kernel.org, David Airlie <airlied@linux.ie>,
	linux-pci@vger.kernel.org,
	Thierry Reding <thierry.reding@gmail.com>,
	Diana Craciun <diana.craciun@oss.nxp.com>,
	Dmitry Osipenko <digetx@gmail.com>, Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	Ashok Raj <ashok.raj@intel.com>,
	Jonathan Hunter <jonathanh@nvidia.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Kevin Tian <kevin.tian@intel.com>,
	Chaitanya Kulkarni <kch@nvidia.com>,
	Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, Bjorn Helgaas <bhelgaas@google.com>,
	Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Li Yang <leoyang.li@nxp.com>,
	iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	Jacob jun Pan <jacob.jun.pan@intel.com>,
	Daniel Vetter <daniel@ffwll.ch>,
	Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 07/13] iommu: Add iommu_at[de]tach_device_shared() for multi-device groups
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2022 09:53:47 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1a22fecf-9cba-76f8-7dc4-88a56b2457cd@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20211224025036.GD1779224@nvidia.com>

On 12/24/21 10:50 AM, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
>>> We don't need _USER anymore because iommu_group_set_dma_owner() always
>>> does detatch, and iommu_replace_group_domain() avoids ever reassigning
>>> default_domain. The sepecial USER behavior falls out automatically.
>> This means we will grow more group-centric interfaces. My understanding
>> is the opposite that we should hide the concept of group in IOMMU
>> subsystem, and the device drivers only faces device specific interfaces.
> Ideally group interfaces would be reduced, but in this case VFIO needs
> the group. It has sort of a fundamental problem with its uAPI that
> expects the container is fully setup with a domain at the moment the
> group is attached. So deferring domain setup to when the device is
> available becomes a user visible artifact - and if this is important
> or not is a whole research question that isn't really that important
> for this series.
> 
> We also can't just pull a device out of thin air, a device that hasn't
> been probed() hasn't even had dma_configure called! Let alone the
> lifetime and locking problems with that kind of idea.
> 
> So.. leaving it as a group interface makes the most sense,
> particularly for this series which is really about fixing the sharing
> model in the iommu core and deleting the BUG_ONs.

I feel it makes more sense if we leave the attach_device/group
refactoring patches into a separated series. I will come up with this
new series so that people can review and comment on the real code.

Best regards,
baolu
_______________________________________________
iommu mailing list
iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org
https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/iommu

  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-01-04  1:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 94+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-12-17  6:36 [PATCH v4 00/13] Fix BUG_ON in vfio_iommu_group_notifier() Lu Baolu
2021-12-17  6:36 ` Lu Baolu
2021-12-17  6:36 ` [PATCH v4 01/13] iommu: Add device dma ownership set/release interfaces Lu Baolu
2021-12-17  6:36   ` Lu Baolu
2021-12-17  6:36 ` [PATCH v4 02/13] driver core: Set DMA ownership during driver bind/unbind Lu Baolu
2021-12-17  6:36   ` Lu Baolu
2021-12-22 12:47   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2021-12-22 12:47     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2021-12-22 17:52     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-12-22 17:52       ` Jason Gunthorpe via iommu
2021-12-23  2:08     ` Lu Baolu
2021-12-23  2:08       ` Lu Baolu
2021-12-23  3:02     ` Lu Baolu
2021-12-23  3:02       ` Lu Baolu
2021-12-23  7:13       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2021-12-23  7:13         ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2021-12-23  7:23         ` Lu Baolu
2021-12-23  7:23           ` Lu Baolu
2021-12-31  0:36           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-12-31  0:36             ` Jason Gunthorpe via iommu
2021-12-17  6:36 ` [PATCH v4 03/13] PCI: pci_stub: Suppress kernel DMA ownership auto-claiming Lu Baolu
2021-12-17  6:36   ` Lu Baolu
2021-12-29 20:42   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2021-12-29 20:42     ` Bjorn Helgaas
2021-12-30  5:34     ` Lu Baolu
2021-12-30  5:34       ` Lu Baolu
2021-12-30 22:24       ` Bjorn Helgaas
2021-12-30 22:24         ` Bjorn Helgaas
2021-12-31  0:40         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-12-31  0:40           ` Jason Gunthorpe via iommu
2021-12-31  1:10           ` Lu Baolu
2021-12-31  1:10             ` Lu Baolu
2021-12-31  1:58             ` Lu Baolu
2021-12-31  1:58               ` Lu Baolu
2022-01-03 19:53             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-01-03 19:53               ` Jason Gunthorpe via iommu
2022-01-04  1:54               ` Lu Baolu
2022-01-04  1:54                 ` Lu Baolu
2021-12-31  1:06         ` Lu Baolu
2021-12-31  1:06           ` Lu Baolu
2021-12-17  6:36 ` [PATCH v4 04/13] PCI: portdrv: " Lu Baolu
2021-12-17  6:36   ` Lu Baolu
2021-12-29 21:16   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2021-12-29 21:16     ` Bjorn Helgaas
2021-12-30  5:49     ` Lu Baolu
2021-12-30  5:49       ` Lu Baolu
2021-12-17  6:37 ` [PATCH v4 05/13] iommu: Add security context management for assigned devices Lu Baolu
2021-12-17  6:37   ` Lu Baolu
2021-12-17  6:37 ` [PATCH v4 06/13] iommu: Expose group variants of dma ownership interfaces Lu Baolu
2021-12-17  6:37   ` Lu Baolu
2021-12-17  6:37 ` [PATCH v4 07/13] iommu: Add iommu_at[de]tach_device_shared() for multi-device groups Lu Baolu
2021-12-17  6:37   ` Lu Baolu
2021-12-21 16:50   ` Robin Murphy
2021-12-21 16:50     ` Robin Murphy
2021-12-21 18:46     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-12-21 18:46       ` Jason Gunthorpe via iommu
2021-12-22  4:22       ` Lu Baolu
2021-12-22  4:22         ` Lu Baolu
2021-12-22  4:25         ` Lu Baolu
2021-12-22  4:25           ` Lu Baolu
2021-12-22 20:26       ` Robin Murphy
2021-12-22 20:26         ` Robin Murphy
2021-12-23  0:57         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-12-23  0:57           ` Jason Gunthorpe via iommu
2021-12-23  5:53           ` Lu Baolu
2021-12-23  5:53             ` Lu Baolu
2021-12-23 14:03             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-12-23 14:03               ` Jason Gunthorpe via iommu
2021-12-24  1:30               ` Lu Baolu
2021-12-24  1:30                 ` Lu Baolu
2021-12-24  2:50                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-12-24  2:50                   ` Jason Gunthorpe via iommu
2021-12-24  6:44                   ` Lu Baolu
2021-12-24  6:44                     ` Lu Baolu
2022-01-04  1:53                   ` Lu Baolu [this message]
2022-01-04  1:53                     ` Lu Baolu
2021-12-24  3:19         ` Lu Baolu
2021-12-24  3:19           ` Lu Baolu
2021-12-24 14:24           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-12-24 14:24             ` Jason Gunthorpe via iommu
2021-12-17  6:37 ` [PATCH v4 08/13] vfio: Set DMA USER ownership for VFIO devices Lu Baolu
2021-12-17  6:37   ` Lu Baolu
2021-12-17  6:37 ` [PATCH v4 09/13] vfio: Remove use of vfio_group_viable() Lu Baolu
2021-12-17  6:37   ` Lu Baolu
2021-12-17  6:37 ` [PATCH v4 10/13] vfio: Delete the unbound_list Lu Baolu
2021-12-17  6:37   ` Lu Baolu
2021-12-17  6:37 ` [PATCH v4 11/13] vfio: Remove iommu group notifier Lu Baolu
2021-12-17  6:37   ` Lu Baolu
2021-12-17  6:37 ` [PATCH v4 12/13] iommu: Remove iommu group changes notifier Lu Baolu
2021-12-17  6:37   ` Lu Baolu
2021-12-17  6:37 ` [PATCH v4 13/13] drm/tegra: Use the iommu dma_owner mechanism Lu Baolu
2021-12-17  6:37   ` Lu Baolu
2022-01-04  5:23 ` [PATCH v4 00/13] Fix BUG_ON in vfio_iommu_group_notifier() Lu Baolu
2022-01-04  5:23   ` Lu Baolu

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=1a22fecf-9cba-76f8-7dc4-88a56b2457cd@linux.intel.com \
    --to=baolu.lu@linux.intel.com \
    --cc=airlied@linux.ie \
    --cc=alex.williamson@redhat.com \
    --cc=ashok.raj@intel.com \
    --cc=bhelgaas@google.com \
    --cc=cohuck@redhat.com \
    --cc=dan.j.williams@intel.com \
    --cc=daniel@ffwll.ch \
    --cc=diana.craciun@oss.nxp.com \
    --cc=digetx@gmail.com \
    --cc=eric.auger@redhat.com \
    --cc=gregkh@linuxfoundation.org \
    --cc=hch@infradead.org \
    --cc=iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org \
    --cc=jacob.jun.pan@intel.com \
    --cc=jgg@nvidia.com \
    --cc=jonathanh@nvidia.com \
    --cc=joro@8bytes.org \
    --cc=kch@nvidia.com \
    --cc=kevin.tian@intel.com \
    --cc=kvm@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=laurentiu.tudor@nxp.com \
    --cc=leoyang.li@nxp.com \
    --cc=linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=linux-pci@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=rafael@kernel.org \
    --cc=robin.murphy@arm.com \
    --cc=stuyoder@gmail.com \
    --cc=thierry.reding@gmail.com \
    --cc=will@kernel.org \
    --cc=yi.l.liu@intel.com \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is an external index of several public inboxes,
see mirroring instructions on how to clone and mirror
all data and code used by this external index.