[cip-dev] CIP Endeavour decision

[cip-dev] CIP Endeavour decision

[Paul Sherwood]

Matthias,

I only came across your email from June [1] today, which is sad, 
because if I had seen it earlier I would have encouraged others to reply 
to your reasonable questions.

I'm quoting your original text below, and hopefully this will kick the 
discussion into action.

> who I am: I work as a operartions engineer at a data centre in Europe
> and formerly I worked for several years as a development engineer in 
> SDN
> networking area.
>
> Your project has caught my attention for its corageous mission. I am
> strongly interested in bringing forward civic from a computing
> technicial perspective and I see me fit to do so.

> I haven't had any experience in working in linux collab projects yet 
> and
> there are quite many projects in linux collab. So to help me decide 
> if
> participating in your project is the right endeavor for me: please,
> answer me a few questions, although those can seem a little blunt.

I think it is very wise for anyone considering participating in a 
community, to understand the agenda and scope before committing. So your 
questions are entirely reasonable. I'm not sure CIP yet has thorough 
answers, but I will try....

> Is it at all imperative for you gathering together individuals to 
> solve
> technicial intricacies or is it rather a tightly financial sponsor
> interests guided project, and therefore for the members of the 
> sponsors?

CIP is a Linux Foundation Collaborative Project, with a small number of 
founder member organisations [2] who are in effect the sponsors. As you 
can see from [2] the emphasis is currently on companies rather than 
individuals.

> Are extraneous forces really welcome?

I consider myself an extraneous force also, and am waiting to see what 
the answer is :-)

Our lack of response to your original email must have been a 
disappointing welcome for you, and I hope some other participants will 
respond to clarify properly.

> To what level in software terms do you want to bring about 
> innovations?
> You are speaking abstractly about a platform and glue mechanisms. To
> what extend? Down to the driver level?

Overall I think CIP is aiming more to increase confidence and 
reliability in relevant software, rather than bring about innovations. 
IMO it would be clearly unwise to put absolutely latest/unstable 
software into (for example) a nuclear power station before verifying its 
performance over a period of time. But I think we *need* to see some 
innovations in processes, and validation, and reproducibility, and long 
term maintenance of deep systems software - including all the way down 
to how driver level code is done.

Others may disagree of course - i hope they speak up! :)

> Are there opportunities for individuals or is it rather meant to 
> cheaply
> tap into ressources? Can one ascend therein?

For CIP I must leave this to other members. However you may be 
interested a separate thread of discussions on another community list, 
about Trustable Software Engineering [2] which I think has some 
complementary and overlapping aims. For sure I can say that individual 
contributors are welcome there, and I'm hoping that the content will 
prove to be of interest to the CIP community also.

br
Paul


[1] 
http://lists.cip-project.org/pipermail/cip-dev/2016-June/000003.html
[2] https://www.cip-project.org/faq
[3] 
https://lists.veristac.io/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/trustable-software

[cip-dev] CIP Endeavour decision

[Noriaki Fukuyasu]

Hi Paul

Thanks for bring this back up :)

Hi Mathias

SO SORRY for not responding to your email for a long time.

>Are extraneous forces really welcome?

You ARE very welcome :)
We are looking to reach out to more friends to work together.

>Are there opportunities for individuals or is it rather meant to cheaply
>tap into ressources? Can one ascend therein?

Yes, the participation of individual developer is very welcome.
You will see the technical discussions will be started to be thrown to this
mailing list from now on. So we are looking forward to collaborate with you!

regards

Nori


On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 5:26 PM, Paul Sherwood <paul.sherwood@codethink.co.uk
> wrote:

> Matthias,
>
> I only came across your email from June [1] today, which is sad, because
> if I had seen it earlier I would have encouraged others to reply to your
> reasonable questions.
>
> I'm quoting your original text below, and hopefully this will kick the
> discussion into action.
>
> who I am: I work as a operartions engineer at a data centre in Europe
>> and formerly I worked for several years as a development engineer in SDN
>> networking area.
>>
>> Your project has caught my attention for its corageous mission. I am
>> strongly interested in bringing forward civic from a computing
>> technicial perspective and I see me fit to do so.
>>
>
> I haven't had any experience in working in linux collab projects yet and
>> there are quite many projects in linux collab. So to help me decide if
>> participating in your project is the right endeavor for me: please,
>> answer me a few questions, although those can seem a little blunt.
>>
>
> I think it is very wise for anyone considering participating in a
> community, to understand the agenda and scope before committing. So your
> questions are entirely reasonable. I'm not sure CIP yet has thorough
> answers, but I will try....
>
> Is it at all imperative for you gathering together individuals to solve
>> technicial intricacies or is it rather a tightly financial sponsor
>> interests guided project, and therefore for the members of the sponsors?
>>
>
> CIP is a Linux Foundation Collaborative Project, with a small number of
> founder member organisations [2] who are in effect the sponsors. As you can
> see from [2] the emphasis is currently on companies rather than individuals.
>
> Are extraneous forces really welcome?
>>
>
> I consider myself an extraneous force also, and am waiting to see what the
> answer is :-)
>
> Our lack of response to your original email must have been a disappointing
> welcome for you, and I hope some other participants will respond to clarify
> properly.
>
> To what level in software terms do you want to bring about innovations?
>> You are speaking abstractly about a platform and glue mechanisms. To
>> what extend? Down to the driver level?
>>
>
> Overall I think CIP is aiming more to increase confidence and reliability
> in relevant software, rather than bring about innovations. IMO it would be
> clearly unwise to put absolutely latest/unstable software into (for
> example) a nuclear power station before verifying its performance over a
> period of time. But I think we *need* to see some innovations in processes,
> and validation, and reproducibility, and long term maintenance of deep
> systems software - including all the way down to how driver level code is
> done.
>
> Others may disagree of course - i hope they speak up! :)
>
> Are there opportunities for individuals or is it rather meant to cheaply
>> tap into ressources? Can one ascend therein?
>>
>
> For CIP I must leave this to other members. However you may be interested
> a separate thread of discussions on another community list, about Trustable
> Software Engineering [2] which I think has some complementary and
> overlapping aims. For sure I can say that individual contributors are
> welcome there, and I'm hoping that the content will prove to be of interest
> to the CIP community also.
>
> br
> Paul
>
>
> [1] http://lists.cip-project.org/pipermail/cip-dev/2016-June/000003.html
> [2] https://www.cip-project.org/faq
> [3] https://lists.veristac.io/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/trustable-software
>
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