* Re(3): Making this list more readable
@ 2003-01-09 2:02 Carol Anne Ogdin
2003-01-09 3:59 ` Joel Newkirk
0 siblings, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread
From: Carol Anne Ogdin @ 2003-01-09 2:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Athan; +Cc: Ian Batterbee, netfilter
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Thanks, Athan...
I try to get it in digest so I can read it all at once at the end of the
day. When I was getting it message-by-message, I was finding messages
getting lost in my voracious spam-killing mode. I'm trying to learn
iptables by watching how you experts help other folks' questions.
Question: Would anybody be interested in a more user-friendly web-based
solution for this list, so people could go back and read old threads
instead of posing the same questions over 'n' over again? I've got a free
one available to me, if you'd like to try it.
--Carol Anne
Carol Anne Ogdin
http://www.net-working.com
530/295-3657
Deep Woods Technology, Inc.
http://www.deepwoods.com
CAOgdin@deepwoods.com
Leveraging technology to restore the soul of the organization
Athan <netfilter@miggy.org>
01/08/2003 05:27 PM
To: Ian Batterbee <ian.batterbee@aut.ac.nz>
cc: netfilter@lists.netfilter.org, Athan <netfilter@miggy.org>, Carol Anne
Ogdin <caogdin@deepwoods.com>
Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Making this list more readable
On Thu, Jan 09, 2003 at 12:37:32PM +1300, Ian Batterbee wrote:
> I see the problem as well.. I think it's caused by the fact that many of
> the individual messages in the are content-transfer-encoding:
> quoted-printable, but the digest has no content-transfer-encoding in the
> header, so the quoted-printable data inside the messages included in the
> digest is treated as plain text and incorrectly formatted.
>
> If we know that ALL messages contained in the digest are
> quoted-printable, then it would just be a matter of changing the
> content-type of the digest, but I've noticed the problem doesn't occur
> on all messages.. some are fine.. so... I guess people's mailers are
> simply posting as quoted-printable, and the digest process is just
> including the message body as-is
Having checked and found this list is run with mailman, and then
checked the options for a list I have admin access to the solution is to
just make the digests 'plain' rather than 'mime'. I presume the former
means you get one big file in mbox style, which may cause some people
problems too I guess. This list is mailman 2.0.11, the one I checked is
2.0.12, so there's not going to be any extra options in this list's
config for it.
Of course you could just read it in normal mode rather than digest ;).
-Ath
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* Re: Making this list more readable
2003-01-09 2:02 Re(3): Making this list more readable Carol Anne Ogdin
@ 2003-01-09 3:59 ` Joel Newkirk
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From: Joel Newkirk @ 2003-01-09 3:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Carol Anne Ogdin; +Cc: netfilter
On Wednesday 08 January 2003 09:02 pm, Carol Anne Ogdin wrote:
> Thanks, Athan...
>
> I try to get it in digest so I can read it all at once at the end of
> the day. When I was getting it message-by-message, I was finding
> messages getting lost in my voracious spam-killing mode. I'm trying
I get it msg-by-msg, and filter on "kashyyyk" to dump it all in a folder
by itself. (kashyyyk.netfilter.org is originating server, Kashyyyk
being Chewbacca's homeworld in Star Wars) Twenty or so filters, six
mailing lists, 10 email folders, 15 people with special handling (IE
forward to my mobile) and spam filters that catch about 85% of my 300 or
so per month. (All of those, until yesterday, come to the old email
address I've had for about 7 years) My email volume is quite low
compared to a few years ago, but at about 100 msgs a day it would still
be unbearable without automated presorting.
> to learn iptables by watching how you experts help other folks'
> questions.
>
> Question: Would anybody be interested in a more user-friendly
> web-based solution for this list, so people could go back and read old
> threads instead of posing the same questions over 'n' over again?
> I've got a free one available to me, if you'd like to try it.
For anyone interested, I received my first piece of spam yesterday
addressed to netfilter@newkirk.us. (Nigerian 419 Fraud, of all things!
Already forwarded to US Secret Service 419.fcd@usss.treas.gov
subject=NoLoss They like collecting those things :^) Since I only use
that addy on this list and derivative conversations, there's only two
possibly ways it could have happened. Either a subscriber harvested
addy's or forwarded a message to someone who did, or (far more likely)
someone harvested from the list archives. WHY oh WHY aren't email
addresses mangled or obscured on the publicly accessible archives? This
seems a fairly basic precaution given the exponential growth of 'the
spam problem' lately. Yes, Yes, I know all about filtering spam, but
why invite it to begin with? "google netfilter@newkirk.us" finds about
130 hits, divided among securepoint.com, netfilter.org and spinics.net -
all publicly accessible archives of the list. No other hits, just
archives.
Back to your question, the archive at msgs.securepoint.com/netfilter/
offers search capability, but apparently only keeps current and previous
month postings around. I think (at least I hope :^) that the majority
of the "already asked a dozen times" questions come from people who are
either not on the list, or recently joined. Likely the only way search
facility would be useful to them (and reduce repeat questions) is if it
is in their faces _before_ they are in a position to actually post. IE,
if netfilter.org presented a search option right on the same page as the
submission and subscription info. If you set up a search it might help
/us/ out, but I suspect that it wouldn't head off too many repeats.
> --Carol Anne
> Carol Anne Ogdin
> http://www.net-working.com
> 530/295-3657
> Deep Woods Technology, Inc.
> http://www.deepwoods.com
> CAOgdin@deepwoods.com
> Leveraging technology to restore the soul of the organization
j
ps - I really hope that if someone harvests THIS message they extract the
email address in that middle paragraph and start spamming it. Should
set some interesting reactions in motion... :^)
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* Re: Making this list more readable
2003-01-08 16:59 Carol Anne Ogdin
@ 2003-01-08 17:09 ` Athan
0 siblings, 0 replies; 4+ messages in thread
From: Athan @ 2003-01-08 17:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: netfilter
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On Wed, Jan 08, 2003 at 08:59:16AM -0800, Carol Anne Ogdin wrote:
> Is there any way to change the listserv so it doesn't convert control
> characters (e.g., tabs, quotes and spaces at ends of lines) to '=xx'
> form of hex characters. It's hard to read. (I read the digest, so
> perhaps the problem lies there, and not in the main listserv?)
> Does your listserv software have a conversion table you can set that
> will make things more readable?
I don't see this, and I'm getting the list direct. The =XX thing is
"Quoted Printable" encoding. Probably an option on the listserv to turn
it on/off for the digest.
-Ath
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* Making this list more readable
@ 2003-01-08 16:59 Carol Anne Ogdin
2003-01-08 17:09 ` Athan
0 siblings, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread
From: Carol Anne Ogdin @ 2003-01-08 16:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: netfilter
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Is there any way to change the listserv so it doesn't convert control
characters (e.g., tabs, quotes and spaces at ends of lines) to '=xx' form
of hex characters. It's hard to read. (I read the digest, so perhaps the
problem lies there, and not in the main listserv?)
Does your listserv software have a conversion table you can set that will
make things more readable?
Thanks
--Carol Anne
Examples include these from a recent digest:
> F1=3D"eth0"
> IF2=3D"eth1" (what's the "=3D" mean?)
and
with the cisco's firewall enabled. If this fails, I suspect the
cisco's=20
configuration is blocking outbound replies, so you'd have to dig there.=20
(What to the trailing "=20" sequences add? They appear to be spaces in
the original message.)
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