RE: List active ?

RE: List active ?

[Oliver Pitzeier]

Hi Alan!

> And lets be realistic, there are not many Alpha left in this 
> world, and the peoplke in the position of having one do not need
> much help... I mean, alphaservers are usually used in big companies
> to handle databases or stuff, so, the admins of those servers
> really know a lot about these things, or at least know how to
> investigate... so they don't use the lists unless it's
> necessary.

Yes, that's true... We are a rather small company - I would say. But I'm the Alpha guy, and I do only use the list if my head is burning. :-) I guess you know what I mean!

> Besides, It's nice that this list is low traffic, otherwise 
> it would be a little disencouraging for users to subscribe
> (gettin 50 mails a day... and most of them mails you are not
> interested on reading is really annoying... don't you think?)

You mean like on LKML? Getting about 10 thousand mails a month. :) Reading 'em all is really impossible... I know it, I tried.... :-P

Best,
 Olive

Re: List active ?

[George France]

On Saturday 11 October 2003 08:41 am, Oliver Pitzeier wrote:
> Hi George!
>
> > On Friday 10 October 2003 11:17 pm, Alan Bort wrote:
> > > And lets be realistic, there are not many Alpha left in this world,
> >
> > There are many Alphas remaining.  Many that run Linux.  Many
> > more that run Tru64 and OpenVMS.  You can still buy shinny new
> > alpha systems.
>
> But what for should anyone buy alphas today? If they need 64-bit, they buy
> Itanium, which is cheaper... If they need good performance, they buy a
> four-way-Xeon-system - which _is_ faster than a ES45 for example....
>

I think you might want to recheck those benchmarks. :-)

> > Alpha is  going away, but it is not gone yet.
>
> HP is letting Alpha die... They didn't annouce the newest alpha-chip a few
> months ago (EV78!?)...
>
> [ ... ]
>
> > or they have service agreements with HP.
>
> Or still some old Compaq service level agreements... :-P But they do not
> know much about Linux on Alpha... At least here in Austria......
>

You can purchase a support contract today from HP.  If you have any problems 
doing so, please let me know.  I would be happy to contact my service 
Representative and get you the proper paperwork.  :-)  It may be true that in 
Austria, that they do not know much about Linux on Alpha, but if you have a 
service agreement, you can have your service request pushed up to the next 
higher level.  Eventually your issue will reach Nashua, NH in the USA were 
there are people that know about Linux and the Alpha Architecture.

Best Regards,


--George

Re: List active ?

[Jan-Benedict Glaw]

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On Sat, 2003-10-11 14:41:59 +0200, Oliver Pitzeier <oliver@linux-kernel.at>
wrote in message <200310111244.h9BCi7QD021471@indianer.linux-kernel.at>:
> Hi George!
> 
> > On Friday 10 October 2003 11:17 pm, Alan Bort wrote:
> > > And lets be realistic, there are not many Alpha left in this world, 
> > 
> > There are many Alphas remaining.  Many that run Linux.  Many 
> > more that run Tru64 and OpenVMS.  You can still buy shinny new
> > alpha systems. 
> 
> But what for should anyone buy alphas today? If they need 64-bit, they buy Itanium, which is cheaper... If they need good performance, they buy a four-way-Xeon-system - which _is_ faster than a ES45 for example....

Try to get a SMP box in the *really* high performance area. A 32 CPU
Itanium (is something like that available) won't for sure outperform
today's fastest Alpha. At some time, price isn't a question. Only raw
performance... Then, you buy Alpha, MIPS, UltraSparc, PA-RISC.

> > Alpha is  going away, but it is not gone yet.
> 
> HP is letting Alpha die... They didn't annouce the newest alpha-chip a few months ago (EV78!?)...

Indeed. Alpha is dieing. However, HP is quite in problems there.
Nowadays, they have i386, Itanium, Alpha and their own processor,
PA-RISC...

MfG, JBG

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RE: List active ?

[Oliver Pitzeier]

Hi George!

> On Friday 10 October 2003 11:17 pm, Alan Bort wrote:
> > And lets be realistic, there are not many Alpha left in this world, 
> 
> There are many Alphas remaining.  Many that run Linux.  Many 
> more that run Tru64 and OpenVMS.  You can still buy shinny new
> alpha systems. 

But what for should anyone buy alphas today? If they need 64-bit, they buy Itanium, which is cheaper... If they need good performance, they buy a four-way-Xeon-system - which _is_ faster than a ES45 for example....

> Alpha is  going away, but it is not gone yet.

HP is letting Alpha die... They didn't annouce the newest alpha-chip a few months ago (EV78!?)...

[ ... ]
> or they have service agreements with HP.

Or still some old Compaq service level agreements... :-P But they do not know much about Linux on Alpha... At least here in Austria......

[ ... ]

> I do like low volume lists, but the volume is so low at 
> times, I tend to miss most of the messages.

Yes, but now there _is_ traffic... :-P

Best,
 Olive

Re: List active ?

[Alan Bort]

And lets be realistic, there are not many Alpha left in this world, and the
peoplke in the position of having one do not need much help... I mean,
alphaservers are usually used in big companies to handle databases or stuff,
so, the admins of those servers really know a lot about these things, or at
least know how to investigate... so they don't use the lists unless it's
necessary.

Besides, It's nice that this list is low traffic, otherwise it would be a
little disencouraging for users to subscribe (gettin 50 mails a day... and
most of them mails you are not interested on reading is really annoying...
don't you think?)
----- Original Message -----
From: "George France" <france@handhelds.org>
To: "Oliver Pitzeier" <oliver@linux-kernel.at>; "James Stevenson"
<james@stev.org>
Cc: <linux-alpha@vger.kernel.org>
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 5:09 PM
Subject: Re: List active ?


> and many alpha questions are handled on the axp-list or debian-alpha list.
>
> --George
>
> On Monday 29 September 2003 03:28 am, Oliver Pitzeier wrote:
> > > is this list still active i have not seen a post in weeks ?
> >
> > Yes it is, but it's quite quiet, because most mail-traffic goes through
> > LKML itself...
> >
> > Best,
> >  Oliver
> >
> > -
> > To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-alpha"
in
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> > More majordomo info at  http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
>
> -
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Re: List active ?

[George France]

On Friday 10 October 2003 11:17 pm, Alan Bort wrote:
> And lets be realistic, there are not many Alpha left in this world, 

There are many Alphas remaining.  Many that run Linux.  Many more that run 
Tru64 and OpenVMS.  You can still buy shinny new alpha systems. Alpha is 
going away, but it is not gone yet.

>and the
> peoplke in the position of having one do not need much help... I mean,
> alphaservers are usually used in big companies to handle databases or
> stuff, so, the admins of those servers really know a lot about these
> things, or at least know how to investigate... so they don't use the lists
> unless it's necessary.
>

or they have service agreements with HP.

> Besides, It's nice that this list is low traffic, otherwise it would be a
> little disencouraging for users to subscribe (gettin 50 mails a day... and
> most of them mails you are not interested on reading is really annoying...
> don't you think?)

I do like low volume lists, but the volume is so low at times, I tend to miss 
most of the messages.

Best Regards,


--George

Re: List active ?

[George France]

and many alpha questions are handled on the axp-list or debian-alpha list.

--George

On Monday 29 September 2003 03:28 am, Oliver Pitzeier wrote:
> > is this list still active i have not seen a post in weeks ?
>
> Yes it is, but it's quite quiet, because most mail-traffic goes through
> LKML itself...
>
> Best,
>  Oliver
>
> -
> To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-alpha" in
> the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org
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Re: List active ?

[Matti Aarnio]

On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 10:25:57AM +0100, James Stevenson wrote:
> Well i did have a link failure on both the primary / backup
> mail s server for a short time < 1 day mayby it managed
> to boounce me off the list then.
> 
> time to try to get back on.
> how long is a normal response to the list-owner
> i dont think it will le me subscibe my list address ?

  The  linux-alpha  list has been very quiet for a long time.
  On the other hand, there is no @stev.org addresses at the
  linux-alpha list at the moment.

  list-owner (linux-alpha-owner) is essentially a black hole.
  However   majordomo@vger.kernel.org  will help you.
  See  http://vger.kernel.org/  for more info.
  (Or what is quoted in the footer of your letter thru the list.)

> On Mon, 29 Sep 2003, Balint Cristian wrote:
> 
> > Dont know but i am curious too.
> > 
> > On Monday 29 September 2003 00:39, James Stevenson wrote:
> > > Hi
> > >
> > > is this list still active i have not seen a post in weeks ?
> > >
> > > thanks
> > > 	James
> -
> To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-alpha" in
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/Matti Aarnio

Re: List active ?

[James Stevenson]

Well i did have a link failure on both the primary / backup
mail s server for a short time < 1 day mayby it managed
to boounce me off the list then.

time to try to get back on.
how long is a normal response to the list-owner
i dont think it will le me subscibe my list address ?


On Mon, 29 Sep 2003, Balint Cristian wrote:

> Dont know but i am curious too.
> 
> On Monday 29 September 2003 00:39, James Stevenson wrote:
> > Hi
> >
> > is this list still active i have not seen a post in weeks ?
> >
> > thanks
> > 	James
> >
> > -
> > To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-alpha" in
> > the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org
> > More majordomo info at  http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
> 

RE: List active ?

[Oliver Pitzeier]

> Dont know but i am curious too.

Seems the list is resurrecting at the moment :) Because of errors while
compiling -test6. Nice! There should be more compile-time errors.... :)

Best,
 Oliver

Re: List active ?

[Balint Cristian]

Dont know but i am curious too.

On Monday 29 September 2003 00:39, James Stevenson wrote:
> Hi
>
> is this list still active i have not seen a post in weeks ?
>
> thanks
> 	James
>
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RE: List active ?

[Oliver Pitzeier]

> is this list still active i have not seen a post in weeks ?

Yes it is, but it's quite quiet, because most mail-traffic goes through LKML itself...

Best,
 Oliver

List active ?

[James Stevenson]

Hi

is this list still active i have not seen a post in weeks ?

thanks
	James