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From: Alan Hourihane <alanh-ASBjxr/nLg+TY6FTCsQk+9Bc4/FLrbF6@public.gmane.org>
To: Patrick Mochel <mochel-3NddpPZAyC0@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Pavel Machek <pavel-AlSwsSmVLrQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Karol Kozimor <sziwan-DETuoxkZsSqrDJvtcaxF/A@public.gmane.org>,
	Ducrot Bruno <ducrot-kk6yZipjEM5g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>,
	acpi-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: Re: Hardware state saving & X
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 01:10:01 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20031016001001.GH1921@fairlite.demon.co.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0310150924400.953-100000-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>

On Wed, Oct 15, 2003 at 09:32:18AM -0700, Patrick Mochel wrote:
> The fact that different behavior exists is completely obvious (refer to 
> the question and documentation). The question was *how* it was different 
> from a userpsace perspective. I.e. what exactly is saved, and what isn't. 
> 
> Under APM, the BIOS handles the state transition, but it does not know 
> each device initimately, so the OS still has to handle some of the device 
> state. 
> 
> Video devices have an int10 call to save/restore state, which is what the 
> APM BIOS uses. Alan, would it suffice to call that from the kernel, in 
> either vm86 mode or real mode to handle all the saving/restoring. If we 
> were able to call that, what more would you have to do? 

I'm not sure you can call int10 from kernel space. But think about
other architectures too that don't have int10/x86 available to them.
XFree86 already has an x86 emulator to do the softbooting via int10 in
userspace, but I appreciate if people are not running X, then the kernel
needs to restore some sort of text mode too from the last session.

It's never been an issue of what to save/restore for X - that's the drivers
responsibility in X. And if it doesn't do it properly now, I'd consider it
a bug in the driver and should be fixed.

The main question was how to get events from suspend/resume so that we
can do this saving and restoring.

If the /sbin/hotplug & DBUS is the recommended route, then I really
need to go look at these two pieces of software and craft something up for X.

Alan.


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  parent reply	other threads:[~2003-10-16  0:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-09-30 16:59 Applications & ACPI events Alan Hourihane
     [not found] ` <20030930165926.GH1921-ASBjxr/nLg+TY6FTCsQk+9Bc4/FLrbF6@public.gmane.org>
2003-09-30 17:36   ` Ducrot Bruno
     [not found]     ` <20030930173646.GF11391-kk6yZipjEM5g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
2003-10-03 19:38       ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]         ` <20031003193814.GE205-u08AdweFZfgxtPtxi4kahqVXKuFTiq87@public.gmane.org>
2003-10-06 12:49           ` Ducrot Bruno
     [not found]             ` <20031006124935.GQ11391-kk6yZipjEM5g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
2003-10-06 13:05               ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]                 ` <20031006130533.GA311-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2003-10-08 10:27                   ` Ducrot Bruno
     [not found]                     ` <20031008102745.GF11391-kk6yZipjEM5g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
2003-10-08 19:16                       ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]                         ` <20031008191610.GB1035-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2003-10-08 21:53                           ` Alan Hourihane
     [not found]                             ` <20031008215342.GE1920-ASBjxr/nLg+TY6FTCsQk+9Bc4/FLrbF6@public.gmane.org>
2003-10-08 21:58                               ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]                                 ` <20031008215850.GF1238-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2003-10-09 12:36                                   ` Karol Kozimor
     [not found]                                     ` <20031009123620.GD13739-DETuoxkZsSqrDJvtcaxF/A@public.gmane.org>
2003-10-09 21:32                                       ` Applications & ACPI eventse Pavel Machek
     [not found]                                         ` <20031009213245.GB365-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2003-10-09 23:56                                           ` Karol Kozimor
     [not found]                                             ` <20031009235607.GA13514-DETuoxkZsSqrDJvtcaxF/A@public.gmane.org>
2003-10-10  7:12                                               ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]                                                 ` <20031010071231.GA285-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2003-10-10 11:19                                                   ` Karol Kozimor
     [not found]                                                     ` <20031010111934.GA10620-DETuoxkZsSqrDJvtcaxF/A@public.gmane.org>
2003-10-10 12:37                                                       ` Bas Mevissen
     [not found]                                                         ` <3F86A7F7.6090406-Y9IUUvl1dgU0Iwp8Nzs06g@public.gmane.org>
2003-10-10 13:17                                                           ` Karol Kozimor
     [not found]                                                             ` <20031010131739.GA24389-DETuoxkZsSqrDJvtcaxF/A@public.gmane.org>
2003-10-10 13:57                                                               ` Bas Mevissen
2003-10-10  7:43                                               ` Pavel Machek
2003-10-09 14:06                                   ` Applications & ACPI events Alan Hourihane
     [not found]                                     ` <20031009140648.GH1922-ASBjxr/nLg+TY6FTCsQk+9Bc4/FLrbF6@public.gmane.org>
2003-10-09 21:35                                       ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]                                         ` <20031009213504.GC365-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2003-10-13 13:10                                           ` Ducrot Bruno
     [not found]                                             ` <20031013131022.GN11391-kk6yZipjEM5g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
2003-10-13 13:38                                               ` Karol Kozimor
     [not found]                                                 ` <20031013133837.GA9178-DETuoxkZsSqrDJvtcaxF/A@public.gmane.org>
2003-10-13 15:28                                                   ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]                                                     ` <20031013152807.GD15441-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2003-10-13 16:14                                                       ` Karol Kozimor
     [not found]                                                         ` <20031013161445.GA32511-DETuoxkZsSqrDJvtcaxF/A@public.gmane.org>
2003-10-13 16:19                                                           ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]                                                             ` <20031013161937.GF15441-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2003-10-13 17:01                                                               ` Karol Kozimor
     [not found]                                                                 ` <20031013170119.GB18363-DETuoxkZsSqrDJvtcaxF/A@public.gmane.org>
2003-10-13 17:05                                                                   ` Pavel Machek
2003-10-13 17:09                                                   ` Patrick Mochel
     [not found]                                                     ` <Pine.LNX.4.44.0310130958540.17450-100000-L1xM/EEGAB4@public.gmane.org>
2003-10-13 17:17                                                       ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]                                                         ` <20031013171704.GH15441-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2003-10-13 18:59                                                           ` Karol Kozimor
     [not found]                                                             ` <20031013185914.GB1958-DETuoxkZsSqrDJvtcaxF/A@public.gmane.org>
2003-10-13 19:08                                                               ` Pavel Machek
2003-10-14 23:04                                                           ` Patrick Mochel
     [not found]                                                             ` <Pine.LNX.4.44.0310141556320.803-100000-L1xM/EEGAB4@public.gmane.org>
2003-10-14 23:45                                                               ` Alan Hourihane
     [not found]                                                                 ` <20031014234538.GD1918-ASBjxr/nLg+TY6FTCsQk+9Bc4/FLrbF6@public.gmane.org>
2003-10-14 23:55                                                                   ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]                                                                     ` <20031014235550.GE20789-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2003-10-15  0:01                                                                       ` Karol Kozimor
2003-10-15 16:20                                                                   ` Patrick Mochel
     [not found]                                                                     ` <Pine.LNX.4.44.0310150907450.953-100000-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2003-10-15 17:07                                                                       ` Alan Hourihane
2003-10-14 23:52                                                               ` Hardware state saving & X Pavel Machek
     [not found]                                                                 ` <20031014235240.GD20789-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2003-10-15 16:32                                                                   ` Patrick Mochel
     [not found]                                                                     ` <Pine.LNX.4.44.0310150924400.953-100000-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2003-10-15 19:13                                                                       ` Pavel Machek
2003-10-16  0:10                                                                       ` Alan Hourihane [this message]
     [not found]                                                                         ` <20031016001001.GH1921-ASBjxr/nLg+TY6FTCsQk+9Bc4/FLrbF6@public.gmane.org>
2003-10-16 15:38                                                                           ` Patrick Mochel
2003-10-13 15:26                                               ` Applications & ACPI events Pavel Machek
     [not found]                                                 ` <20031013152637.GC15441-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2003-10-13 16:21                                                   ` Ducrot Bruno

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