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From: Blaisorblade <blaisorblade_spam@yahoo.it>
To: user-mode-linux-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Cc: Gerd Knorr <kraxel@bytesex.org>, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [uml-devel] Re: Stop at startup on 2.6 NPTL hosts
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 23:17:21 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200411032317.21886.blaisorblade_spam@yahoo.it> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20041103201001.GA29289@bytesex>

On Wednesday 03 November 2004 21:10, Gerd Knorr wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 03, 2004 at 04:59:56PM +0100, Blaisorblade wrote:
> > On Wednesday 03 November 2004 09:32, Gerd Knorr wrote:
> > > Nuno Silva <nuno.silva@vgertech.com> writes:
> > > > Yes, maybe it was me and, FWIW, I never found a solution to make a
> > > > dynamic skas uml run under 2.6+libcNTPL.
> > >
> > > The usual workaround for any nptl issues works here as well:
> > > export LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4.21
> >
> > You mean 2.4.1 IIRC, right?
>
> The exact version doesn't really matter I think.
More or less, it's true. The value is checked against 2.2.5 for base , 2.4.1 
and 2.6.0 for using NPTL.

On a RH 9, instead, IIRC 2.4.20 is the minimum for using NPTL. More details 
can be found at http://people.redhat.com/drepper/  (there is a 
LD_ASSUME_KERNEL link).

> > However, that does not work on LinuxFromScratch and Gentoo systems,
> > mostly, which miss a non-NPTL glibc version.

> Yes, you need a non-nptl glibc version for that, otherwise the dynamic
> linker can't use it obviously ...

And this means that we must fix UML for NPTL. Also, the problem is strange: 
the child and the father, when created linking with NPTL, get the same pid, 
so os_stop_process (i.e. kill(SIGSTOP, child_pid)) kills the whole process. 
In fact, replacing those with gettid() and tkill() appears to fix the 
problem.

But:

1) This should not happen, since clone() is not called with CLONE_THREAD (I 
verified that CLONE_THREAD is not used even with NPTL, so glibc is not doing 
anything strange here).

2) So, we get a host bug.

3) In fact, on my current Gentoo, Mplayer appears to experience a similar 
behaviour (it stops itself on entry and exit). It could be something 
unrelated, but it seems to me a host bug.

Bye
-- 
Paolo Giarrusso, aka Blaisorblade
Linux registered user n. 292729

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From: Blaisorblade <blaisorblade_spam@yahoo.it>
To: user-mode-linux-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Cc: Gerd Knorr <kraxel@bytesex.org>, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [uml-devel] Re: Stop at startup on 2.6 NPTL hosts
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 23:17:21 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200411032317.21886.blaisorblade_spam@yahoo.it> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20041103201001.GA29289@bytesex>

On Wednesday 03 November 2004 21:10, Gerd Knorr wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 03, 2004 at 04:59:56PM +0100, Blaisorblade wrote:
> > On Wednesday 03 November 2004 09:32, Gerd Knorr wrote:
> > > Nuno Silva <nuno.silva@vgertech.com> writes:
> > > > Yes, maybe it was me and, FWIW, I never found a solution to make a
> > > > dynamic skas uml run under 2.6+libcNTPL.
> > >
> > > The usual workaround for any nptl issues works here as well:
> > > export LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4.21
> >
> > You mean 2.4.1 IIRC, right?
>
> The exact version doesn't really matter I think.
More or less, it's true. The value is checked against 2.2.5 for base , 2.4.1 
and 2.6.0 for using NPTL.

On a RH 9, instead, IIRC 2.4.20 is the minimum for using NPTL. More details 
can be found at http://people.redhat.com/drepper/  (there is a 
LD_ASSUME_KERNEL link).

> > However, that does not work on LinuxFromScratch and Gentoo systems,
> > mostly, which miss a non-NPTL glibc version.

> Yes, you need a non-nptl glibc version for that, otherwise the dynamic
> linker can't use it obviously ...

And this means that we must fix UML for NPTL. Also, the problem is strange: 
the child and the father, when created linking with NPTL, get the same pid, 
so os_stop_process (i.e. kill(SIGSTOP, child_pid)) kills the whole process. 
In fact, replacing those with gettid() and tkill() appears to fix the 
problem.

But:

1) This should not happen, since clone() is not called with CLONE_THREAD (I 
verified that CLONE_THREAD is not used even with NPTL, so glibc is not doing 
anything strange here).

2) So, we get a host bug.

3) In fact, on my current Gentoo, Mplayer appears to experience a similar 
behaviour (it stops itself on entry and exit). It could be something 
unrelated, but it seems to me a host bug.

Bye
-- 
Paolo Giarrusso, aka Blaisorblade
Linux registered user n. 292729


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  reply	other threads:[~2004-11-03 22:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-10-29  9:26 [uml-devel] UML Kernel 2.6.7 Nothing happens Roland Kaeser
2004-11-02 18:52 ` Stop at startup on 2.6 NPTL hosts (was: Re: [uml-devel] UML Kernel 2.6.7 Nothing happens) Blaisorblade
2004-11-02 23:43   ` [uml-devel] Re: Stop at startup on 2.6 NPTL hosts Sven Köhler
2004-11-03  3:04   ` Nuno Silva
2004-11-03  8:32     ` Gerd Knorr
2004-11-03 15:59       ` Blaisorblade
2004-11-03 20:10         ` Gerd Knorr
2004-11-03 22:17           ` Blaisorblade [this message]
2004-11-03 22:17             ` Blaisorblade
2004-11-04  8:40       ` Nuno Silva
2004-11-09 16:42   ` Bodo Stroesser
2004-11-09 17:29     ` Adam Heath
2004-11-09 17:32       ` Bodo Stroesser
2004-11-09 18:23         ` Bodo Stroesser
2004-11-09 19:11     ` Blaisorblade
2004-11-10  8:36       ` stian
2004-11-10  9:07         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-11-10 12:15           ` Bodo Stroesser
2004-11-10 12:47             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-11-10 14:32               ` Blaisorblade
2004-11-10 14:44             ` Sven Köhler
2004-11-10 21:19           ` Henrik Nordstrom
2004-11-15 17:17             ` Blaisorblade
2004-11-10 17:16         ` Blaisorblade

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