Kernel 2.6.9 & adm1021 & i2c_piix4 temperature monitoring

Kernel 2.6.9 & adm1021 & i2c_piix4 temperature monitoring

[Justin Piszcz]

Anyone know why this happens?

I am monitoring the temperature sensors on my Dell GX1 box, and I get the 
following in dmesg:

i2c_adapter i2c-0: Failed! (01)
i2c_adapter i2c-0: Failed! (01)
i2c_adapter i2c-0: Failed! (01)
i2c_adapter i2c-0: Failed reset at end of transaction (01)
i2c_adapter i2c-0: Failed! (01)
i2c_adapter i2c-0: Failed! (01)
i2c_adapter i2c-0: Failed! (01)
i2c_adapter i2c-0: Failed! (01)
i2c_adapter i2c-0: Failed reset at end of transaction (01)
i2c_adapter i2c-0: Failed! (01)
i2c_adapter i2c-0: Failed! (01)
i2c_adapter i2c-0: Failed! (01)
i2c_adapter i2c-0: Failed! (01)

I am using lm-sensors 2.8.7.

Relevant modules include:

$ lsmod
Module                  Size  Used by
adm1021                12092  0
i2c_piix4               5648  0
i2c_sensor              2912  1 adm1021
i2c_dev                 7776  0
i2c_core               19312  4 adm1021,i2c_piix4,i2c_sensor,i2c_dev

Of course the ``secret'' to getting the temperature sensors to work on a 
Dell is two options when loading the i2c driver and the adm1024 driver.

   TYPE="/sbin/modprobe"

   $TYPE i2c_piix4 force=1
   $TYPE adm1021 read_only=1

The force is required to enable it, otherwise I do not believe it even 
loads.

The read_only=1 is so it does not change the temperature range in the 
monitoring chip, if read_only=1 is not set and the machine gets hot, say 
from compiling the kernel, the machine shuts itself off.

My question is, why all the failed transactions?
I graph the temperature without any issues (system and CPU) but I still 
get some of these in dmesg, any ideas?

Re: Kernel 2.6.9 & adm1021 & i2c_piix4 temperature monitoring

[Jean Delvare]

Hi Justin,

>I am monitoring the temperature sensors on my Dell GX1 box, and I get the
>following in dmesg:
>
>i2c_adapter i2c-0: Failed! (01)
>i2c_adapter i2c-0: Failed! (01)
>i2c_adapter i2c-0: Failed! (01)
>i2c_adapter i2c-0: Failed reset at end of transaction (01)
>i2c_adapter i2c-0: Failed! (01)
>i2c_adapter i2c-0: Failed! (01)
>i2c_adapter i2c-0: Failed! (01)
>i2c_adapter i2c-0: Failed! (01)
>i2c_adapter i2c-0: Failed reset at end of transaction (01)
>i2c_adapter i2c-0: Failed! (01)
>i2c_adapter i2c-0: Failed! (01)
>i2c_adapter i2c-0: Failed! (01)
>i2c_adapter i2c-0: Failed! (01)

First note that Dell systems are well known for their improperly
configured SMBus devices.

>Of course the ``secret'' to getting the temperature sensors to work on a
>Dell is two options when loading the i2c driver and the adm1024 driver.

I guess you really mean adm1021 here?

>   TYPE="/sbin/modprobe"
>
>   $TYPE i2c_piix4 force=1
>   $TYPE adm1021 read_only=1
>
>The force is required to enable it, otherwise I do not believe it even
>loads.

True, because Dell's BIOS won't configure it.

As noted in lm_sensors' documentation here:
  http://www2.lm-sensors.nu/~lm78/cvs/lm_sensors2/doc/busses/i2c-piix4
you should be careful when using this option.

One possible cause for the trouble you experience would be that the
piix4's address happens to conflict with another device address on your
system. The driver should have complained if it were the case, but only
if the other device has a Linux driver. If, say, this is an I/O address
range the BIOS uses on its own, the i2c-piix4 driver may not know about
this. You can use "i2cdetect -l" (or browse /sys) to find out the
address the PIIX4 is using, as it shows in the I2C bus name.

One thing you could try would be to use the force_addr parameter of the
i2c-piix4 driver. As noted in the documentation, this is DANGEROUS so
you better be extremely careful if you do. Basically, you would force
the address to a supposedly unused address (check /proc/ioports for
ranges to NOT use). Address must be a multiple of 16.

Maybe you'll have better results when using this, maybe not. Please let
us know. Be warned that using an improper address may cause SEVERE
DAMAGE, and that there is unfortunately no way to know which addresses
are suitable.

See this thread:
  http://archives.andrew.net.au/lm-sensors/msg21973.html
Now, what you want to risk is left to you.

This post:
  https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/long_list.cgi?buglist=73730
suggests that 0x6000 MIGHT be a good candidate.

BTW, you really should first try:
1* Upgrading BIOSes if possible.
2* Contacting Dell about the problem. This is really a BIOS issue, we may
try to work around it in the kernel but this is not where the original
problem lies.

>The read_only=1 is so it does not change the temperature range in the
>monitoring chip, if read_only=1 is not set and the machine gets hot, say
>from compiling the kernel, the machine shuts itself off.

This is theoretically not necessary anymore since Linux kernel 2.6.6
(where adm1021 chip init was reworked). Could you please try without it
and let us know how it goes?

As a side note, I think that we should get rid of that "read_only"
module parameter. It makes the code more complex with no obvious benefit
(assuming you'll confirm that you don't need it anymore). No other
hardware monitoring chip driver has this.

>My question is, why all the failed transactions?
>I graph the temperature without any issues (system and CPU) but I still
>get some of these in dmesg, any ideas?

I doubt that you really have no issue. Reads fail when you have a
"Failed! (01)" error. Since the adm1021 driver doesn't handle that
kind of error, this should result in bogus temperature readings
(typically -1).

Thanks,
--
Jean Delvare

Re: Re: Kernel 2.6.9 & adm1021 & i2c_piix4 temperature monitoring

[Justin Piszcz]

How has it been re-worked, is the option no longer valid?

I believe it was along early 2.6.x and possibly 2.6.5-2.6.6 that I tried 
it without the option and the machine will shut itself off (due to 
lm-sensors/etc writing "their" values for what is too hot, forcing the 
machine to shutdown).

$ sensors
max1617-i2c-0-1a
Adapter: SMBus PIIX4 adapter at 0850
Board:       +45 C  (low  =   -55 C, high =  +127 C)
CPU:         +41 C  (low  =   -55 C, high =  +110 C)

If I run without the option, the values change to something like -20 C to 
50 or 60C, hence, when you compile a kernel it heats up and the box shuts 
itself off, with no warning at all, just powers off.

I may be able to try this later this week but not right now, as the 
machine needs to remain online.

Justin.

  On Mon, 8 Nov 2004, Jean Delvare wrote:

>
> Hi Justin,
>
>> I am monitoring the temperature sensors on my Dell GX1 box, and I get the
>> following in dmesg:
>>
>> i2c_adapter i2c-0: Failed! (01)
>> i2c_adapter i2c-0: Failed! (01)
>> i2c_adapter i2c-0: Failed! (01)
>> i2c_adapter i2c-0: Failed reset at end of transaction (01)
>> i2c_adapter i2c-0: Failed! (01)
>> i2c_adapter i2c-0: Failed! (01)
>> i2c_adapter i2c-0: Failed! (01)
>> i2c_adapter i2c-0: Failed! (01)
>> i2c_adapter i2c-0: Failed reset at end of transaction (01)
>> i2c_adapter i2c-0: Failed! (01)
>> i2c_adapter i2c-0: Failed! (01)
>> i2c_adapter i2c-0: Failed! (01)
>> i2c_adapter i2c-0: Failed! (01)
>
> First note that Dell systems are well known for their improperly
> configured SMBus devices.
>
>> Of course the ``secret'' to getting the temperature sensors to work on a
>> Dell is two options when loading the i2c driver and the adm1024 driver.
>
> I guess you really mean adm1021 here?
>
>>   TYPE="/sbin/modprobe"
>>
>>   $TYPE i2c_piix4 force=1
>>   $TYPE adm1021 read_only=1
>>
>> The force is required to enable it, otherwise I do not believe it even
>> loads.
>
> True, because Dell's BIOS won't configure it.
>
> As noted in lm_sensors' documentation here:
>  http://www2.lm-sensors.nu/~lm78/cvs/lm_sensors2/doc/busses/i2c-piix4
> you should be careful when using this option.
>
> One possible cause for the trouble you experience would be that the
> piix4's address happens to conflict with another device address on your
> system. The driver should have complained if it were the case, but only
> if the other device has a Linux driver. If, say, this is an I/O address
> range the BIOS uses on its own, the i2c-piix4 driver may not know about
> this. You can use "i2cdetect -l" (or browse /sys) to find out the
> address the PIIX4 is using, as it shows in the I2C bus name.
>
> One thing you could try would be to use the force_addr parameter of the
> i2c-piix4 driver. As noted in the documentation, this is DANGEROUS so
> you better be extremely careful if you do. Basically, you would force
> the address to a supposedly unused address (check /proc/ioports for
> ranges to NOT use). Address must be a multiple of 16.
>
> Maybe you'll have better results when using this, maybe not. Please let
> us know. Be warned that using an improper address may cause SEVERE
> DAMAGE, and that there is unfortunately no way to know which addresses
> are suitable.
>
> See this thread:
>  http://archives.andrew.net.au/lm-sensors/msg21973.html
> Now, what you want to risk is left to you.
>
> This post:
>  https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/long_list.cgi?buglist=73730
> suggests that 0x6000 MIGHT be a good candidate.
>
> BTW, you really should first try:
> 1* Upgrading BIOSes if possible.
> 2* Contacting Dell about the problem. This is really a BIOS issue, we may
> try to work around it in the kernel but this is not where the original
> problem lies.
>
>> The read_only=1 is so it does not change the temperature range in the
>> monitoring chip, if read_only=1 is not set and the machine gets hot, say
>> from compiling the kernel, the machine shuts itself off.
>
> This is theoretically not necessary anymore since Linux kernel 2.6.6
> (where adm1021 chip init was reworked). Could you please try without it
> and let us know how it goes?
>
> As a side note, I think that we should get rid of that "read_only"
> module parameter. It makes the code more complex with no obvious benefit
> (assuming you'll confirm that you don't need it anymore). No other
> hardware monitoring chip driver has this.
>
>> My question is, why all the failed transactions?
>> I graph the temperature without any issues (system and CPU) but I still
>> get some of these in dmesg, any ideas?
>
> I doubt that you really have no issue. Reads fail when you have a
> "Failed! (01)" error. Since the adm1021 driver doesn't handle that
> kind of error, this should result in bogus temperature readings
> (typically -1).
>
> Thanks,
> --
> Jean Delvare
>

Re: Kernel 2.6.9 & adm1021 & i2c_piix4 temperature monitoring

[Jean Delvare]

> How has it been re-worked, is the option no longer valid?

The option is still valid, but the init process is way less aggressive.
Chip isn't arbitrarily reset/reconfigured anymore, and temperature
limits are preserved. Thus what the option was trying to prevent is
probably not happening anymore in the first place.

> I believe it was along early 2.6.x and possibly 2.6.5-2.6.6 that I
> tried it without the option and the machine will shut itself off (due
> to lm-sensors/etc writing "their" values for what is too hot, forcing
> the machine to shutdown).
>
> $ sensors
> max1617-i2c-0-1a
> Adapter: SMBus PIIX4 adapter at 0850
> Board:       +45 C  (low  =   -55 C, high =  +127 C)
> CPU:         +41 C  (low  =   -55 C, high =  +110 C)
> 
> If I run without the option, the values change to something like -20 C
> to 50 or 60C, hence, when you compile a kernel it heats up and the box
> shuts itself off, with no warning at all, just powers off.

That part of the init process was actually removed in 2.6.6. Believe me,
you are not the only one to have complained about that nasty behavior.

-- 
Jean Delvare
http://khali.linux-fr.org/

Kernel 2.6.9 & adm1021 & i2c_piix4 temperature monitoring

[Justin Piszcz]

Anyone know why this happens?

I am monitoring the temperature sensors on my Dell GX1 box, and I get the 
following in dmesg:

i2c_adapter i2c-0: Failed! (01)
i2c_adapter i2c-0: Failed! (01)
i2c_adapter i2c-0: Failed! (01)
i2c_adapter i2c-0: Failed reset at end of transaction (01)
i2c_adapter i2c-0: Failed! (01)
i2c_adapter i2c-0: Failed! (01)
i2c_adapter i2c-0: Failed! (01)
i2c_adapter i2c-0: Failed! (01)
i2c_adapter i2c-0: Failed reset at end of transaction (01)
i2c_adapter i2c-0: Failed! (01)
i2c_adapter i2c-0: Failed! (01)
i2c_adapter i2c-0: Failed! (01)
i2c_adapter i2c-0: Failed! (01)

I am using lm-sensors 2.8.7.

Relevant modules include:

$ lsmod
Module                  Size  Used by
adm1021                12092  0
i2c_piix4               5648  0
i2c_sensor              2912  1 adm1021
i2c_dev                 7776  0
i2c_core               19312  4 adm1021,i2c_piix4,i2c_sensor,i2c_dev

Of course the ``secret'' to getting the temperature sensors to work on a 
Dell is two options when loading the i2c driver and the adm1024 driver.

   TYPE="/sbin/modprobe"

   $TYPE i2c_piix4 force=1
   $TYPE adm1021 read_only=1

The force is required to enable it, otherwise I do not believe it even 
loads.

The read_only=1 is so it does not change the temperature range in the 
monitoring chip, if read_only=1 is not set and the machine gets hot, say 
from compiling the kernel, the machine shuts itself off.

My question is, why all the failed transactions?
I graph the temperature without any issues (system and CPU) but I still 
get some of these in dmesg, any ideas?

Kernel 2.6.9 & adm1021 & i2c_piix4 temperature monitoring

[Jean Delvare]

Hi Justin,

>I am monitoring the temperature sensors on my Dell GX1 box, and I get the
>following in dmesg:
>
>i2c_adapter i2c-0: Failed! (01)
>i2c_adapter i2c-0: Failed! (01)
>i2c_adapter i2c-0: Failed! (01)
>i2c_adapter i2c-0: Failed reset at end of transaction (01)
>i2c_adapter i2c-0: Failed! (01)
>i2c_adapter i2c-0: Failed! (01)
>i2c_adapter i2c-0: Failed! (01)
>i2c_adapter i2c-0: Failed! (01)
>i2c_adapter i2c-0: Failed reset at end of transaction (01)
>i2c_adapter i2c-0: Failed! (01)
>i2c_adapter i2c-0: Failed! (01)
>i2c_adapter i2c-0: Failed! (01)
>i2c_adapter i2c-0: Failed! (01)

First note that Dell systems are well known for their improperly
configured SMBus devices.

>Of course the ``secret'' to getting the temperature sensors to work on a
>Dell is two options when loading the i2c driver and the adm1024 driver.

I guess you really mean adm1021 here?

>   TYPE="/sbin/modprobe"
>
>   $TYPE i2c_piix4 force=1
>   $TYPE adm1021 read_only=1
>
>The force is required to enable it, otherwise I do not believe it even
>loads.

True, because Dell's BIOS won't configure it.

As noted in lm_sensors' documentation here:
  http://www2.lm-sensors.nu/~lm78/cvs/lm_sensors2/doc/busses/i2c-piix4
you should be careful when using this option.

One possible cause for the trouble you experience would be that the
piix4's address happens to conflict with another device address on your
system. The driver should have complained if it were the case, but only
if the other device has a Linux driver. If, say, this is an I/O address
range the BIOS uses on its own, the i2c-piix4 driver may not know about
this. You can use "i2cdetect -l" (or browse /sys) to find out the
address the PIIX4 is using, as it shows in the I2C bus name.

One thing you could try would be to use the force_addr parameter of the
i2c-piix4 driver. As noted in the documentation, this is DANGEROUS so
you better be extremely careful if you do. Basically, you would force
the address to a supposedly unused address (check /proc/ioports for
ranges to NOT use). Address must be a multiple of 16.

Maybe you'll have better results when using this, maybe not. Please let
us know. Be warned that using an improper address may cause SEVERE
DAMAGE, and that there is unfortunately no way to know which addresses
are suitable.

See this thread:
  http://archives.andrew.net.au/lm-sensors/msg21973.html
Now, what you want to risk is left to you.

This post:
  https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/long_list.cgi?buglists730
suggests that 0x6000 MIGHT be a good candidate.

BTW, you really should first try:
1* Upgrading BIOSes if possible.
2* Contacting Dell about the problem. This is really a BIOS issue, we may
try to work around it in the kernel but this is not where the original
problem lies.

>The read_only=1 is so it does not change the temperature range in the
>monitoring chip, if read_only=1 is not set and the machine gets hot, say
>from compiling the kernel, the machine shuts itself off.

This is theoretically not necessary anymore since Linux kernel 2.6.6
(where adm1021 chip init was reworked). Could you please try without it
and let us know how it goes?

As a side note, I think that we should get rid of that "read_only"
module parameter. It makes the code more complex with no obvious benefit
(assuming you'll confirm that you don't need it anymore). No other
hardware monitoring chip driver has this.

>My question is, why all the failed transactions?
>I graph the temperature without any issues (system and CPU) but I still
>get some of these in dmesg, any ideas?

I doubt that you really have no issue. Reads fail when you have a
"Failed! (01)" error. Since the adm1021 driver doesn't handle that
kind of error, this should result in bogus temperature readings
(typically -1).

Thanks,
--
Jean Delvare

Kernel 2.6.9 & adm1021 & i2c_piix4 temperature monitoring

[Justin Piszcz]

How has it been re-worked, is the option no longer valid?

I believe it was along early 2.6.x and possibly 2.6.5-2.6.6 that I tried 
it without the option and the machine will shut itself off (due to 
lm-sensors/etc writing "their" values for what is too hot, forcing the 
machine to shutdown).

$ sensors
max1617-i2c-0-1a
Adapter: SMBus PIIX4 adapter at 0850
Board:       +45 C  (low  =   -55 C, high =  +127 C)
CPU:         +41 C  (low  =   -55 C, high =  +110 C)

If I run without the option, the values change to something like -20 C to 
50 or 60C, hence, when you compile a kernel it heats up and the box shuts 
itself off, with no warning at all, just powers off.

I may be able to try this later this week but not right now, as the 
machine needs to remain online.

Justin.

  On Mon, 8 Nov 2004, Jean Delvare wrote:

>
> Hi Justin,
>
>> I am monitoring the temperature sensors on my Dell GX1 box, and I get the
>> following in dmesg:
>>
>> i2c_adapter i2c-0: Failed! (01)
>> i2c_adapter i2c-0: Failed! (01)
>> i2c_adapter i2c-0: Failed! (01)
>> i2c_adapter i2c-0: Failed reset at end of transaction (01)
>> i2c_adapter i2c-0: Failed! (01)
>> i2c_adapter i2c-0: Failed! (01)
>> i2c_adapter i2c-0: Failed! (01)
>> i2c_adapter i2c-0: Failed! (01)
>> i2c_adapter i2c-0: Failed reset at end of transaction (01)
>> i2c_adapter i2c-0: Failed! (01)
>> i2c_adapter i2c-0: Failed! (01)
>> i2c_adapter i2c-0: Failed! (01)
>> i2c_adapter i2c-0: Failed! (01)
>
> First note that Dell systems are well known for their improperly
> configured SMBus devices.
>
>> Of course the ``secret'' to getting the temperature sensors to work on a
>> Dell is two options when loading the i2c driver and the adm1024 driver.
>
> I guess you really mean adm1021 here?
>
>>   TYPE="/sbin/modprobe"
>>
>>   $TYPE i2c_piix4 force=1
>>   $TYPE adm1021 read_only=1
>>
>> The force is required to enable it, otherwise I do not believe it even
>> loads.
>
> True, because Dell's BIOS won't configure it.
>
> As noted in lm_sensors' documentation here:
>  http://www2.lm-sensors.nu/~lm78/cvs/lm_sensors2/doc/busses/i2c-piix4
> you should be careful when using this option.
>
> One possible cause for the trouble you experience would be that the
> piix4's address happens to conflict with another device address on your
> system. The driver should have complained if it were the case, but only
> if the other device has a Linux driver. If, say, this is an I/O address
> range the BIOS uses on its own, the i2c-piix4 driver may not know about
> this. You can use "i2cdetect -l" (or browse /sys) to find out the
> address the PIIX4 is using, as it shows in the I2C bus name.
>
> One thing you could try would be to use the force_addr parameter of the
> i2c-piix4 driver. As noted in the documentation, this is DANGEROUS so
> you better be extremely careful if you do. Basically, you would force
> the address to a supposedly unused address (check /proc/ioports for
> ranges to NOT use). Address must be a multiple of 16.
>
> Maybe you'll have better results when using this, maybe not. Please let
> us know. Be warned that using an improper address may cause SEVERE
> DAMAGE, and that there is unfortunately no way to know which addresses
> are suitable.
>
> See this thread:
>  http://archives.andrew.net.au/lm-sensors/msg21973.html
> Now, what you want to risk is left to you.
>
> This post:
>  https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/long_list.cgi?buglists730
> suggests that 0x6000 MIGHT be a good candidate.
>
> BTW, you really should first try:
> 1* Upgrading BIOSes if possible.
> 2* Contacting Dell about the problem. This is really a BIOS issue, we may
> try to work around it in the kernel but this is not where the original
> problem lies.
>
>> The read_only=1 is so it does not change the temperature range in the
>> monitoring chip, if read_only=1 is not set and the machine gets hot, say
>> from compiling the kernel, the machine shuts itself off.
>
> This is theoretically not necessary anymore since Linux kernel 2.6.6
> (where adm1021 chip init was reworked). Could you please try without it
> and let us know how it goes?
>
> As a side note, I think that we should get rid of that "read_only"
> module parameter. It makes the code more complex with no obvious benefit
> (assuming you'll confirm that you don't need it anymore). No other
> hardware monitoring chip driver has this.
>
>> My question is, why all the failed transactions?
>> I graph the temperature without any issues (system and CPU) but I still
>> get some of these in dmesg, any ideas?
>
> I doubt that you really have no issue. Reads fail when you have a
> "Failed! (01)" error. Since the adm1021 driver doesn't handle that
> kind of error, this should result in bogus temperature readings
> (typically -1).
>
> Thanks,
> --
> Jean Delvare
>

Kernel 2.6.9 & adm1021 & i2c_piix4 temperature monitoring

[Jean Delvare]

> How has it been re-worked, is the option no longer valid?

The option is still valid, but the init process is way less aggressive.
Chip isn't arbitrarily reset/reconfigured anymore, and temperature
limits are preserved. Thus what the option was trying to prevent is
probably not happening anymore in the first place.

> I believe it was along early 2.6.x and possibly 2.6.5-2.6.6 that I
> tried it without the option and the machine will shut itself off (due
> to lm-sensors/etc writing "their" values for what is too hot, forcing
> the machine to shutdown).
>
> $ sensors
> max1617-i2c-0-1a
> Adapter: SMBus PIIX4 adapter at 0850
> Board:       +45 C  (low  =   -55 C, high =  +127 C)
> CPU:         +41 C  (low  =   -55 C, high =  +110 C)
> 
> If I run without the option, the values change to something like -20 C
> to 50 or 60C, hence, when you compile a kernel it heats up and the box
> shuts itself off, with no warning at all, just powers off.

That part of the init process was actually removed in 2.6.6. Believe me,
you are not the only one to have complained about that nasty behavior.

-- 
Jean Delvare
http://khali.linux-fr.org/