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From: Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>
To: Al Boldi <a1426z@gawab.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [patch 00/13] Syslets, "Threadlets", generic AIO support, v3
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 14:22:53 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070227192253.GB30080@thunk.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200702271715.31184.a1426z@gawab.com>

On Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 05:15:31PM +0300, Al Boldi wrote:
> > You may disagree (were you a MacOS 9 programmer
> > in another life?), and it may not even be true for you if you happen
> > to be one of those folks more at home with Scheme continuations, for
> > example.
> 
> Personal attacks are really rather unhelpful/unscientific.

Just to be clear; this wasn't a personal attack.  I know a lot of
people who I greatly respect who were MacOS and Scheme programmers (I
went to school at MIT, after all, the birthplace of Scheme).  The
reality though is that most people don't program that way, and their
brains aren't wired in that fashion.  There is a reason why procedural
languages are far more common than purely functional models, and why
aside from (pre-version 10) MacOS, most OS's don't use an event driven
system call interface.

> So, instead of using intimidating language to force one's opinion thru, 
> especially when it comes from those in control, why not have a democratic 
> vote?

So far, I'd have to say the people arguing for an event driven model
are in the distinct minority...

And as far as voting is concerned, I prefer informed voters who can
explain why, in their own words, why they are in favor of a particular
alternative.

Regards,

						- Ted

  reply	other threads:[~2007-02-27 19:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 277+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-02-27 14:15 [patch 00/13] Syslets, "Threadlets", generic AIO support, v3 Al Boldi
2007-02-27 19:22 ` Theodore Tso [this message]
2007-03-01 10:21 ` Pavel Machek
     [not found] <efa6f5910703021120ia0b8d18ne0c806eb2e73da4c@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found] ` <20070303103427.GC22557@2ka.mipt.ru>
2007-03-03 10:58   ` Ihar `Philips` Filipau
2007-03-03 11:03     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-03-03 11:51       ` Ihar `Philips` Filipau
2007-03-03 21:12     ` Ray Lee
2007-03-03 22:14       ` Ihar `Philips` Filipau
2007-03-03 23:54         ` Ray Lee
2007-03-04  9:33       ` Michael K. Edwards
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-02-27 14:15 Al Boldi
2007-02-25 19:11 Al Boldi
2007-02-25 19:10 Al Boldi
2007-02-22 12:27 linux
2007-02-22 13:40 ` David Miller
2007-02-22 23:52   ` linux
2007-02-21 21:13 Ingo Molnar
2007-02-21 22:46 ` Michael K. Edwards
2007-02-21 22:57   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-22  0:53     ` Michael K. Edwards
2007-02-22  1:33       ` Michael K. Edwards
2007-02-22  6:51       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-22  8:59         ` Michael K. Edwards
2007-02-21 23:03   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-21 23:24   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-22  0:55     ` Michael K. Edwards
2007-02-21 23:31   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-21 23:46     ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-02-22  7:40       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-22 11:31         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-02-22 11:52           ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-02-22 12:39             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-02-22 13:41               ` David Miller
2007-02-22 14:31                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-22 14:47                   ` David Miller
2007-02-22 15:02                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-02-22 15:15                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-22 15:29                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-22 17:17                       ` David Miller
2007-02-23 11:12                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-22 20:13                     ` Davide Libenzi
2007-02-22 21:30                     ` Zach Brown
2007-02-22 14:59                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-22 21:42                   ` Michael K. Edwards
2007-02-22 14:53                 ` Avi Kivity
2007-02-22 12:59           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-22 13:32             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-02-22 19:46               ` Davide Libenzi
2007-02-23 12:15                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-02-23 17:43                   ` Davide Libenzi
2007-02-23 18:01                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-02-23 20:43                       ` Davide Libenzi
2007-02-23 11:51               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-23 12:22                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-02-23 12:41                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-02-25 17:45                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-25 18:09                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-02-25 19:04                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-25 19:42                         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-02-25 20:38                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-26 12:39                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-26 14:05                             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-02-26 14:15                               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-26 16:55                                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-02-26 20:35                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-26 22:06                                     ` Bill Huey
2007-02-27 10:09                                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-02-27 17:13                                     ` Pavel Machek
2007-02-27  2:18                                   ` Davide Libenzi
2007-02-27 10:13                                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-02-27 16:01                                       ` Davide Libenzi
2007-02-27 16:21                                         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-02-27 16:58                                           ` Eric Dumazet
2007-02-27 17:06                                             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-02-27 19:20                                           ` Davide Libenzi
2007-02-26 19:47                           ` Davide Libenzi
2007-02-25 23:14                         ` Michael K. Edwards
2007-02-22 14:17             ` Suparna Bhattacharya
2007-02-22 14:36               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-23 14:23                 ` Suparna Bhattacharya
2007-02-22 21:24             ` Michael K. Edwards
2007-02-23  0:30               ` Alan
2007-02-23  2:47                 ` Michael K. Edwards
2007-02-23  8:31                   ` Michael K. Edwards
2007-02-23 10:22                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-23 12:37                   ` Alan
2007-02-23 23:49                     ` Michael K. Edwards
2007-02-24  1:08                       ` Alan
2007-02-24  0:51                         ` Michael K. Edwards
2007-02-24  2:17                           ` Michael K. Edwards
2007-02-24  3:25                           ` Michael K. Edwards
2007-02-23 12:17               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-24 19:52                 ` Michael K. Edwards
2007-02-24 21:04                   ` Davide Libenzi
2007-02-24 23:01                     ` Michael K. Edwards
2007-02-25 22:44           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-26 13:11             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-26 17:37               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-02-26 18:19                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-02-26 18:38                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-02-26 18:56                     ` Chris Friesen
2007-02-26 19:20                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-02-26 17:28             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-02-26 17:57               ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-26 18:32                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-02-26 19:22                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-26 19:30                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-02-26 20:04                       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-27  8:09                         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-02-26 19:54                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-27 10:28                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-02-27 11:52                     ` Theodore Tso
2007-02-27 12:11                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-02-27 12:13                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-27 12:40                           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-02-28 16:14                         ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-01  8:18                           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-03-01  9:26                             ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-01  9:47                               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-03-01  9:54                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-01 10:59                                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-03-01 11:00                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-01 11:16                                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-03-01 11:27                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-01 11:36                                           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-03-01 11:41                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-01 11:47                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-01 12:10                                             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-03-01 12:43                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-01 13:01                                                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-03-01 13:11                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-01 13:30                                                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-03-01 14:19                                                       ` Eric Dumazet
2007-03-01 14:16                                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-01 14:31                                                           ` Eric Dumazet
2007-03-01 14:27                                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-01 14:54                                                           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-03-01 15:09                                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-01 15:36                                                               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-03-02 10:57                                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-02 11:48                                                                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-03-02 17:32                                                                   ` Davide Libenzi
2007-03-02 19:39                                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-02 20:18                                                                       ` Davide Libenzi
2007-03-02 20:29                                                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-02 20:53                                                                           ` Davide Libenzi
2007-03-02 21:21                                                                             ` Michael K. Edwards
2007-03-02 21:43                                                                             ` Nicholas Miell
2007-03-03  0:52                                                                               ` Davide Libenzi
2007-03-03  1:36                                                                                 ` Nicholas Miell
2007-03-03  1:48                                                                                   ` Benjamin LaHaise
2007-03-03  2:19                                                                                   ` Davide Libenzi
2007-03-03  7:19                                                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-03  7:20                                                                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-03  9:02                                                                                       ` Davide Libenzi
2007-03-01 19:31                                                             ` Davide Libenzi
2007-03-02  8:10                                                               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-03-02 17:13                                                                 ` Davide Libenzi
2007-03-02 19:13                                                                   ` Davide Libenzi
2007-03-03 10:06                                                                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-03-03 18:46                                                                     ` Davide Libenzi
2007-03-03 20:31                                                                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-03-03 21:57                                                                         ` Davide Libenzi
2007-03-03 22:10                                                                           ` Davide Libenzi
2007-03-04 16:23                                                                           ` Kirk Kuchov
2007-03-04 17:46                                                                             ` Kyle Moffett
2007-03-05  5:23                                                                               ` Michael K. Edwards
2007-03-04 21:17                                                                             ` Davide Libenzi
2007-03-04 22:49                                                                               ` Kirk Kuchov
2007-03-04 22:57                                                                                 ` Davide Libenzi
2007-03-05  4:46                                                                                 ` Magnus Naeslund(k)
2007-03-06  8:19                                                                                 ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-07 12:02                                                                                   ` Kirk Kuchov
2007-03-07 17:26                                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-07 17:39                                                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-07 18:21                                                                                       ` Kirk Kuchov
2007-03-07 18:24                                                                                         ` Jens Axboe
2007-03-07 18:32                                                                                         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-03-01 12:01                                           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-03-01 11:14                                     ` Eric Dumazet
2007-03-01 11:20                                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-03-01 11:28                                         ` Eric Dumazet
2007-03-01 11:47                                           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-03-01 13:12                                             ` Eric Dumazet
2007-03-01 14:43                                               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-03-01 14:47                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-01 15:23                                                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-03-01 15:32                                                     ` Eric Dumazet
2007-03-01 15:41                                                       ` Eric Dumazet
2007-03-01 15:51                                                         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-03-01 15:47                                                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-03-01 19:47                                                       ` Davide Libenzi
2007-03-01 14:57                                                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-03-01 12:19                                           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-03-01 12:34                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-01 13:26                                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-03-01 13:32                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-01 14:24                                           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-03-01 16:56                                     ` David Lang
2007-03-01 17:56                                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-03-01 18:41                                         ` David Lang
2007-03-01 19:19                                   ` Davide Libenzi
2007-03-01 10:11                                 ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-01 10:19                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-01 11:18                                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-03-02 10:27                                     ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-02 10:37                                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-03-02 10:56                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-02 11:08                                           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-03-02 17:28                                             ` Davide Libenzi
2007-03-03 10:27                                               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-03-01 19:24                             ` Johann Borck
2007-03-01 19:37                               ` David Lang
2007-03-01 20:34                                 ` Johann Borck
2007-02-27 12:34                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-27 13:14                         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-02-27 13:32                         ` Avi Kivity
2007-02-28  3:03                       ` Michael K. Edwards
2007-02-28  8:02                         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-02-28 17:01                           ` Michael K. Edwards
2007-02-28 16:38                         ` Phillip Susi
2007-02-22 19:38         ` Davide Libenzi
2007-02-28  9:45           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-28 16:17             ` Davide Libenzi
2007-02-28 16:42               ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-28 17:26                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-28 18:22                 ` Davide Libenzi
2007-02-28 18:42                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-28 18:50                     ` Davide Libenzi
2007-02-28 19:03                       ` Chris Friesen
2007-02-28 19:42                         ` Davide Libenzi
2007-03-01  8:38                           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-03-01  9:28                             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-02-28 23:12                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-01  1:33                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-03-01  9:15                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-03-01 21:27                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-28 20:21               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-28 21:09                 ` Davide Libenzi
2007-02-28 21:23                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-28 21:46                     ` Davide Libenzi
2007-02-28 22:22                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-28 22:47                         ` Davide Libenzi
2007-02-22 21:23         ` Zach Brown
2007-02-22 21:32           ` Benjamin LaHaise
2007-02-22 21:44             ` Zach Brown
2007-02-22  1:04     ` Michael K. Edwards
2007-02-22  7:00       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-22  9:29         ` Michael K. Edwards
2007-02-22 10:01 ` Suparna Bhattacharya
2007-02-22 11:20   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-24 18:34 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-02-25 17:23   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-25 17:44     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-02-25 17:54       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-25 18:21         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-02-25 18:22           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-25 18:37             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-02-25 18:34               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-25 20:01                 ` Frederik Deweerdt
2007-02-25 19:21               ` Ingo Molnar
     [not found]                 ` <20070225194645.GB1353@2ka.mipt.ru>
     [not found]                   ` <20070225195308.GC15681@elte.hu>
     [not found]                     ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.0702251232350.6011@alien.or.mcafeemobile.com>
2007-02-26  8:16                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-26  9:25                         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-02-26  9:55                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-26 10:31                             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-26 10:43                               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-02-26 20:02                               ` Davide Libenzi
2007-02-26 10:33                             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-02-26 10:35                               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-26 10:47                                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-02-26 12:51                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-26 16:46                                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-02-27  6:24                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-27 10:41                                         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-02-27 10:49                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-25 18:25           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-02-25 18:24             ` Ingo Molnar

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