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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Maxim Levitsky <maximlevitsky@gmail.com>,
	Jeff Chua <jeff.chua.linux@gmail.com>,
	linux-ide@vger.kernel.org,
	Sergei Shtylyov <sshtylyov@ru.mvista.com>,
	gregkh@suse.de, linux-pm@lists.osdl.org,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Adrian Bunk <bunk@stusta.de>,
	linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org, linux-pci@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@mellanox.co.il>,
	tglx@linutronix.de, jgarzik@pobox.com,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] Add suspend/resume for HPET
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 19:17:40 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070331171740.GA11750@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0703311004310.6730@woody.linux-foundation.org>


* Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:

> Umm.. WHy not make the device tree look like this:
> 
> 	    -- "clocksource" -- +-- HPET
> 				|
> 				+-- TSC
> 				|
> 				+-- i8259
> 				|
> 				+-- lapic timer
> 				|
> 				.. whatever else
> 
> and use the "struct device" that we *have* for this? The whole "struct 
> device" is literally designed to do this, and to be embedded into 
> whatever bigger structures you have that describes higher-level 
> behaviour. Ie you'd put a "struct device" inside the "struct 
> clocksource".

yeah. There's some practical problems that need to be sorted out: much 
of the current GTOD code is irq-driven (and all GTOD locks are 
irq-safe), while the sysfs code needs to run in process-context level. 

Clocksources 'arrive' and 'depart' in hardirq context (which is the 
primary place where we notice their breakage, determine that they are 
now verified to be usable, etc.). This came partly from legacy: the 
gradual conversion of the monolithic time code, and the need to preserve 
GTOD and non-GTOD architectures without too much duplication. It also 
came partly because there's also a fundamental need to have accurate 
time, which is better served from irq context.

i very much agree that this should and must be cleaned up, but it needs 
quite a bit more logistics than it might appear at first sight. 
Clockevents basically just followed (and had to follow) the direction of 
clocksources in this regard.

	Ingo

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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Maxim Levitsky <maximlevitsky@gmail.com>,
	tglx@linutronix.de, Sergei Shtylyov <sshtylyov@ru.mvista.com>,
	Jeff Chua <jeff.chua.linux@gmail.com>,
	Adrian Bunk <bunk@stusta.de>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>,
	pavel@suse.cz, linux-pm@lists.osdl.org, gregkh@suse.de,
	linux-pci@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz,
	Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>, Len Brown <lenb@kernel.org>,
	linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org, jgarzik@pobox.com,
	linux-ide@vger.kernel.org,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@mellanox.co.il>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] Add suspend/resume for HPET
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 19:17:40 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070331171740.GA11750@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0703311004310.6730@woody.linux-foundation.org>


* Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:

> Umm.. WHy not make the device tree look like this:
> 
> 	    -- "clocksource" -- +-- HPET
> 				|
> 				+-- TSC
> 				|
> 				+-- i8259
> 				|
> 				+-- lapic timer
> 				|
> 				.. whatever else
> 
> and use the "struct device" that we *have* for this? The whole "struct 
> device" is literally designed to do this, and to be embedded into 
> whatever bigger structures you have that describes higher-level 
> behaviour. Ie you'd put a "struct device" inside the "struct 
> clocksource".

yeah. There's some practical problems that need to be sorted out: much 
of the current GTOD code is irq-driven (and all GTOD locks are 
irq-safe), while the sysfs code needs to run in process-context level. 

Clocksources 'arrive' and 'depart' in hardirq context (which is the 
primary place where we notice their breakage, determine that they are 
now verified to be usable, etc.). This came partly from legacy: the 
gradual conversion of the monolithic time code, and the need to preserve 
GTOD and non-GTOD architectures without too much duplication. It also 
came partly because there's also a fundamental need to have accurate 
time, which is better served from irq context.

i very much agree that this should and must be cleaned up, but it needs 
quite a bit more logistics than it might appear at first sight. 
Clockevents basically just followed (and had to follow) the direction of 
clocksources in this regard.

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2007-03-31 17:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 307+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-03-16 16:33 Linux 2.6.21-rc4 Linus Torvalds
2007-03-16 17:01 ` Takashi Iwai
2007-03-16 17:44 ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-03-16 18:26   ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-16 18:55     ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-03-16 23:23       ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-03-16 23:31         ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-03-17  8:19           ` Mariusz Kozlowski
2007-03-16 18:54   ` Takashi Iwai
2007-03-16 19:03     ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-03-17 23:46       ` Adrian Bunk
2007-03-18 13:04         ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-03-16 20:34 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-03-16 20:47   ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-16 23:25     ` [PATCH] clockevents: Fix suspend/resume to disk hangs Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-17  9:35       ` Milan Broz
2007-03-17 10:07       ` Thomas Meyer
2007-03-17 21:47         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-03-18 17:58           ` Adrian Bunk
2007-03-18  0:42         ` appletouch quirk doesn't run at resume Adrian Bunk
2007-03-18 18:45           ` Jiri Kosina
2007-03-18 19:01             ` Thomas Meyer
2007-03-18 19:22               ` Jiri Kosina
2007-03-27 21:02                 ` Thomas Meyer
2007-03-28 12:26                   ` Jiri Kosina
2007-03-28 13:24                     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-03-28 16:51                       ` Thomas Meyer
2007-03-28 17:06                         ` Jiri Kosina
2007-03-28 17:35                           ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-03-20  9:35       ` [PATCH] clockevents: Fix suspend/resume to disk hangs Marcus Better
2007-03-21 14:04         ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-22 10:34           ` Marcus Better
2007-03-23  9:14             ` Marcus Better
2007-03-23 10:05               ` Tino Keitel
2007-03-23 13:47               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-03-23 14:36                 ` Marcus Better
2007-03-16 21:11 ` Linux 2.6.21-rc4 Randy Dunlap
2007-03-16 22:39   ` Randy Dunlap
2007-03-16 23:13     ` Chris Friesen
2007-03-16 23:27       ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-03-17  6:43     ` Sam Ravnborg
2007-03-18 12:39       ` Sam Ravnborg
2007-03-19  4:16         ` Randy Dunlap
2007-03-18 18:49 ` [1/6] 2.6.21-rc4: known regressions Adrian Bunk
2007-03-20 10:24   ` Tobias Diedrich
2007-03-20 11:14     ` Adrian Bunk
2007-03-22  3:45   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-22  4:18     ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-22 15:21       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-23  1:08         ` Mingming Cao
2007-03-23  1:40           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-23  2:11             ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-23  7:51               ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-03-23  9:37                 ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-23 17:19                   ` Adrian Bunk
2007-03-23 12:01                 ` [patch] hrtimers debug patch Ingo Molnar
     [not found]                   ` <4607BDD9.1010002@googlemail.com>
     [not found]                     ` <6bffcb0e0703260720i37bbb956o3d20019fe4ac9879@mail.gmail.com>
2007-03-26 14:33                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-26 14:42                         ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-03-26 15:07                           ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-03-26 17:02                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-26 17:50                       ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-04-06 15:27                       ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-04-06 16:39                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-23 11:42             ` [1/6] 2.6.21-rc4: known regressions Ingo Molnar
2007-03-23 11:56               ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-23 15:08                 ` [PATCH] i386: add command line option "local_apic_timer_c2_ok" Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-26 12:31                   ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-26 13:52                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-27 21:19                       ` Len Brown
2007-03-27 21:34                         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-27 22:16                           ` Len Brown
2007-03-28  2:18                             ` Len Brown
2007-03-29 14:15                               ` Andi Kleen
2007-03-29 14:53                               ` Langsdorf, Mark
2007-03-29 16:50                                 ` Andi Kleen
2007-03-29 20:02                                   ` Mark Langsdorf
2007-03-29 20:49                                     ` Andi Kleen
2007-03-29 21:16                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-29 21:45                                         ` Andreas Mohr
2007-03-29 21:56                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-29 22:06                                           ` Andi Kleen
2007-03-29 22:05                                         ` Andi Kleen
2007-03-30 21:06                                           ` Grzegorz Chwesewicz
2007-03-31  7:47                                           ` Grzegorz Chwesewicz
2007-03-29 21:43                                       ` Grzegorz Chwesewicz
2007-03-29 21:55                                         ` Grzegorz Chwesewicz
2007-03-29 14:19                           ` Andi Kleen
2007-03-23 18:13                 ` [1/6] 2.6.21-rc4: known regressions Linus Torvalds
2007-03-23 18:16                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-23 18:28                     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-23 18:43                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-23 12:27             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-22 18:24       ` Mariusz Kozłowski
2007-03-18 18:49 ` [2/6] " Adrian Bunk
2007-03-18 18:49   ` Adrian Bunk
2007-03-18 19:25   ` Andi Kleen
2007-03-19 16:06   ` Randy Dunlap
2007-03-19 16:15     ` Adrian Bunk
2007-03-19 17:07       ` Randy Dunlap
2007-03-20 15:32   ` Ray Lee
2007-03-18 18:49 ` [3/6] " Adrian Bunk
2007-03-18 18:49   ` Adrian Bunk
2007-03-18 19:38   ` Marcus Better
2007-03-26  1:25   ` Jeff Chua
2007-03-26  4:05     ` Adrian Bunk
2007-03-26  5:37       ` Jeff Chua
2007-03-26 16:26         ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-26 17:46           ` Jeff Chua
2007-03-28  7:04             ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-28 13:43               ` Maxim
2007-03-28 14:41                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-28 14:41                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-28 15:01                   ` Maxim
2007-03-28 16:38                     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-28 16:38                       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-28 19:38                       ` David Brownell
2007-03-28 19:38                         ` [linux-pm] " David Brownell
2007-03-28 20:19                         ` Maxim
2007-03-28 20:59                           ` David Brownell
2007-03-28 21:27                             ` Maxim
2007-03-29 22:33                               ` David Brownell
2007-03-29 22:33                               ` [linux-pm] " David Brownell
2007-03-29 23:29                                 ` Maxim Levitsky
2007-03-29 23:29                                   ` [linux-pm] " Maxim Levitsky
2007-03-30  0:09                                   ` David Brownell
2007-03-30  0:09                                   ` [linux-pm] " David Brownell
2007-03-30  0:48                                     ` Maxim Levitsky
2007-03-30  0:48                                       ` [linux-pm] " Maxim Levitsky
2007-03-28 20:42                         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-28 20:42                           ` [linux-pm] " Linus Torvalds
2007-03-28 21:17                           ` David Brownell
2007-03-28 22:26                           ` Maxim
2007-03-29  4:41                       ` [ PATCH] Add suspend/resume for HPET was: " Maxim
2007-03-29  5:08                         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-29  5:08                           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-29  5:47                           ` Maxim
2007-03-29 13:20                             ` Sergei Shtylyov
2007-03-29 13:20                               ` Sergei Shtylyov
2007-03-29 13:31                               ` Maxim
2007-03-29 13:46                                 ` [PATCH v2] Add suspend/resume for HPET Maxim Levitsky
2007-03-29 13:46                                   ` Maxim Levitsky
2007-03-29 16:53                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-29 16:53                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-29 17:28                                     ` Maxim Levitsky
2007-03-29 17:51                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-29 17:51                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-29 20:46                                       ` Andi Kleen
2007-03-29 20:46                                         ` Andi Kleen
2007-03-29 18:11                                   ` Jeff Chua
2007-03-31 15:51                                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-31 15:51                                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-31 16:01                                     ` Jeff Chua
2007-03-31 16:01                                       ` Jeff Chua
2007-03-31 16:09                                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-31 16:09                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-31 16:09                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-31 16:33                                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-31 16:41                                         ` Greg KH
2007-03-31 16:53                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-31 16:53                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-31 17:02                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-31 17:02                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-31 18:18                                             ` [linux-pm] " David Brownell
2007-03-31 19:32                                               ` David Brownell
2007-03-31 19:32                                               ` [linux-pm] " David Brownell
2007-04-01  3:13                                                 ` Jeff Chua
2007-04-01  3:13                                                   ` [linux-pm] " Jeff Chua
2007-04-01  4:13                                                   ` David Brownell
2007-04-01  4:13                                                     ` [linux-pm] " David Brownell
2007-03-31 18:18                                             ` David Brownell
2007-03-31 17:08                                           ` Greg KH
2007-03-31 17:55                                           ` [linux-pm] " David Brownell
2007-03-31 17:55                                             ` David Brownell
2007-03-31 16:56                                     ` Maxim Levitsky
2007-03-31 17:09                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-31 17:09                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-31 17:17                                         ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2007-03-31 17:17                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-31 17:58                                           ` Daniel Walker
2007-03-29 16:35                             ` [ PATCH] Add suspend/resume for HPET was: Re: [3/6] 2.6.21-rc4: known regressions Linus Torvalds
2007-03-29 16:35                               ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-29 16:51                               ` Maxim Levitsky
2007-03-29 16:51                                 ` Maxim Levitsky
2007-03-29 17:22                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-29 17:22                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-29 17:47                                   ` [patch, v2] add suspend/resume for HPET Ingo Molnar
2007-03-29 17:47                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-28 18:04                 ` [3/6] 2.6.21-rc4: known regressions Michael S. Tsirkin
2007-03-28 18:32                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-28 18:32                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-28 18:35                   ` Randy Dunlap
2007-03-28 18:35                     ` Randy Dunlap
2007-03-29 14:24                   ` Jeff Chua
2007-03-18 18:49 ` [4/6] " Adrian Bunk
2007-03-18 18:49   ` Adrian Bunk
2007-03-18 18:49 ` [5/6] " Adrian Bunk
2007-03-18 19:07   ` Maxim
2007-03-18 19:22     ` Adrian Bunk
2007-03-18 19:59       ` Maxim
2007-03-18 20:03         ` Maxim
2007-03-18 18:49 ` [6/6] " Adrian Bunk
2007-03-18 18:49   ` Adrian Bunk
2007-03-20  2:38   ` David Miller
2007-03-24 19:50     ` David Miller
2007-03-19 20:39 ` 2.6.21-rc4: known regressions with patches available Adrian Bunk
2007-03-19 20:39   ` Adrian Bunk
2007-03-20 11:02   ` [Alsa-devel] " Takashi Iwai
2007-03-19 20:39 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-03-23 18:48 ` [1/5] 2.6.21-rc4: known regressions (v2) Adrian Bunk
2007-03-25  4:45   ` David Miller
2007-03-25  5:08     ` Paul Collins
2007-03-25 12:22     ` Adrian Bunk
2007-03-23 18:48 ` [2/5] " Adrian Bunk
2007-03-23 21:08   ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-24  0:14   ` Ray Lee
2007-03-24  6:40     ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-24 18:17       ` Ray Lee
2007-03-24 19:11     ` [PATCH] x86_64: avoid sending LOCAL_TIMER_VECTOR IPI to itself Ingo Molnar
2007-03-25 19:24       ` Ray Lee
2007-03-26 10:01   ` [2/5] 2.6.21-rc4: known regressions (v2) Tejun Heo
2007-03-23 18:50 ` [3/5] " Adrian Bunk
2007-03-23 18:50   ` Adrian Bunk
2007-03-23 19:07   ` Maxim
2007-03-23 19:07     ` Maxim
2007-03-23 20:53   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-03-23 20:53     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-03-24 17:04   ` Thomas Meyer
2007-03-24 18:02     ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-03-24 18:20       ` Thomas Meyer
2007-03-24 18:47         ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-03-24 20:34           ` Thomas Meyer
2007-03-25  3:39             ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-03-25 11:41               ` Thomas Meyer
2007-03-25 12:03                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-03-25 12:28                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-03-25 12:56                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-03-25 19:14                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-03-25 20:37                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-03-26 21:03                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-03-25 14:17                     ` Thomas Meyer
2007-03-25 18:56                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-03-25 13:54                   ` Thomas Meyer
2007-03-25 14:48                 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-03-25 17:25                   ` Thomas Meyer
2007-03-25 19:06                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-03-25 19:31                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-03-26 20:01               ` Luck, Tony
2007-03-27  3:29                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-02 15:38                   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2007-04-02 16:38                     ` Bjorn Helgaas
2007-04-02 19:50                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-03-25 21:34   ` Frédéric Riss
2007-03-26  6:45     ` Frédéric RISS
2007-03-26  9:14       ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-26 10:36         ` Frederic Riss
2007-03-26 18:53         ` Frédéric Riss
2007-03-26 19:02           ` Adrian Bunk
2007-03-26 19:39             ` Frederic Riss
2007-03-26 19:46               ` Adrian Bunk
2007-03-26 10:00   ` Marcus Better
2007-03-26 12:35     ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-26 14:11       ` Marcus Better
2007-03-26 14:34     ` Adrian Bunk
2007-03-26 17:42       ` Marcus Better
2007-03-26 18:48         ` Adrian Bunk
2007-03-26 18:48           ` Adrian Bunk
2007-03-27  9:42           ` Marcus Better
2007-03-23 18:50 ` [4/5] " Adrian Bunk
2007-03-23 19:15   ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-23 19:15     ` Adrian Bunk
2007-03-23 19:21     ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-23 22:23     ` Chuck Ebbert
2007-03-23 22:43       ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-23 23:35         ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-25 12:42           ` [PATCH] clocksource: Fix thinko in watchdog selection Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-23 23:00       ` [4/5] 2.6.21-rc4: known regressions (v2) Adrian Bunk
2007-03-23 23:05         ` Chuck Ebbert
2007-03-23 19:22   ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-24 13:47     ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-25 12:31       ` [PATCH] dynticks: fix hrtimer rounding error in next_timer_interrupt Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-23 19:49   ` [4/5] 2.6.21-rc4: known regressions (v2) Thomas Gleixner
     [not found]     ` <20070325071023.GL17532@mellanox.co.il>
2007-03-25  7:37       ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-25  8:57         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2007-03-25 10:17           ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-25 10:15             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2007-03-25 10:27               ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-25 10:25                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2007-03-25 10:38                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-25 11:16                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-25 12:09                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-26 14:19       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2007-03-23 20:00   ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-23 20:08   ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-24 13:59     ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-03-24 15:14       ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-24 16:13         ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-03-23 21:43   ` john stultz
2007-03-23 21:54     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-24  0:44       ` john stultz
2007-03-23 18:50 ` [5/5] " Adrian Bunk
2007-03-24 11:25 ` 2.6.21-rc4: known regressions with patches (v2) Adrian Bunk
2007-03-26 12:37   ` Bob Tracy
2007-04-02 14:16 [linux-pm] [PATCH v2] Add suspend/resume for HPET Alan Stern
2007-04-02 17:09 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-02 19:16 ` David Brownell
2007-04-02 20:04   ` Alan Stern
2007-04-03  5:54     ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-04-04 15:06     ` David Brownell

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