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From: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: Gautham R Shenoy <ego@in.ibm.com>,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, paulmck@us.ibm.com,
	torvalds@linux-foundation.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	vatsa@in.ibm.com, Oleg Nesterov <oleg@tv-sign.ru>,
	dipankar@in.ibm.com, dino@in.ibm.com,
	masami.hiramatsu.pt@hitachi.com, Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
Subject: Re: [RFC] Cpu-hotplug: Using the Process Freezer (try2)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 00:12:30 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200704030012.32113.rjw@sisk.pl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070402112745.GB27891@elte.hu>

On Monday, 2 April 2007 13:27, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> 
> * Gautham R Shenoy <ego@in.ibm.com> wrote:
> 
> > From what I can make out, we fail to freeze if we have some task in 
> > the TASK_UNINTERRUPTIBLE state for more than the timeout period.
> 
> > Question is can we have some task in TASK_UNINTERRUPTIBLE state for 
> > such a long duration (20sec) ??
> 
> yes, easily so - just have a really long disk queue. Or really heavy 
> mutex contention.
> 
> i really think we should add a freezing hook to schedule too (no need to 
> change anything else - just add a PF_FREEZE check into the schedule() 
> function) - and add a wakeup method that moves TASK_UNINTERRUPTIBLE 
> tasks to the runqueue but does not touch their task->state.

Yes, something like this would be necessary to handle TASK_UNINTERRUPTIBLE
tasks.  _Still_, currently we just fail the freezing if there are
uninterruptible tasks, because they can hold locks and may potentially
deadlock with device drivers' .suspend() or .resume() routines (please remember
that the freezer is used for suspending in the first place :-)).

I think we can freeze uninterruptible tasks for the CPU hotplug, but we should
avoid freezing them for the suspend.
 
> ( the copy_process() handling is still needed, so that no new tasks
>   without PF_FREEZE get created that could slip out of control. )

We can catch them while we're freezing kernel threads (provided that the kernel
threads themselves aren't forking like mad, but this doesn't seem to happen in
practice).
 
Greetings,
Rafael

  reply	other threads:[~2007-04-02 22:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-04-02  5:34 [RFC] Cpu-hotplug: Using the Process Freezer (try2) Gautham R Shenoy
2007-04-02  5:37 ` [PATCH 1/8] Enhance process freezer interface for usage beyond software suspend Gautham R Shenoy
2007-04-02 13:56   ` Pavel Machek
2007-04-02 20:48     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-02 20:51       ` Pavel Machek
2007-04-06 14:34         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-06 22:20           ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-04-07  9:33             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-07  9:47               ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-04-09  3:04         ` Gautham R Shenoy
2007-04-03  7:59       ` Gautham R Shenoy
2007-04-05  9:46   ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-04-05 10:59     ` Gautham R Shenoy
2007-04-05 11:30       ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-04-02  5:37 ` [PATCH 2/8] Make process freezer reentrant Gautham R Shenoy
2007-04-05  9:53   ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-04-05 10:19     ` Gautham R Shenoy
2007-04-02  5:38 ` [PATCH 3/8] Use process freezer for cpu-hotplug Gautham R Shenoy
2007-04-05 10:53   ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-04-05 12:14     ` Gautham R Shenoy
2007-04-05 13:34       ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-04-06 17:27   ` Nathan Lynch
2007-04-06 17:34     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-06 17:47       ` Nathan Lynch
2007-04-06 22:22         ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-04-14 18:48       ` Pavel Machek
2007-04-02  5:39 ` [PATCH 4/8] Rip out lock_cpu_hotplug() Gautham R Shenoy
2007-04-02  5:40 ` [PATCH 5/8] __cpu_up: use singlethreaded workqueue Gautham R Shenoy
2007-04-05 12:08   ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-04-02  5:41 ` [PATCH 6/8] Make non-singlethreaded workqueues freezeable by default Gautham R Shenoy
2007-04-05 11:57   ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-04-05 20:06     ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-02  5:42 ` [PATCH 7/8] Clean up workqueue.c with respect to the freezer based cpu-hotplug Gautham R Shenoy
2007-04-03 11:47   ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-04-03 13:59     ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-04-03 15:03       ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-04-03 17:18         ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-04-04 15:28           ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-04-04 17:49             ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-04-05 12:20               ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-04-12  2:22           ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-04-12 10:01             ` Gautham R Shenoy
2007-04-12 16:00             ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-04-13  9:46               ` Gautham R Shenoy
2007-04-02  5:42 ` [PATCH 8/8] Make kernel threads freezeable for cpu-hotplug Gautham R Shenoy
2007-04-02  6:16 ` [RFC] Cpu-hotplug: Using the Process Freezer (try2) Ingo Molnar
2007-04-02  9:28   ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-04-02 11:18     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-02 12:42       ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-04-02 14:16         ` Gautham R Shenoy
2007-04-02 18:56         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-03 12:56           ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-04-03 14:15             ` Gautham R Shenoy
2007-04-03 19:25               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-04  3:15               ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-04-04 10:04                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-04 10:41                   ` Gautham R Shenoy
2007-04-04 11:49                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-04 12:24                       ` Gautham R Shenoy
2007-04-02 11:19   ` Gautham R Shenoy
2007-04-02 11:27     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-02 22:12       ` Rafael J. Wysocki [this message]
2007-04-02 13:22   ` Pavel Machek
2007-04-03 12:01   ` Gautham R Shenoy
2007-04-03 19:34     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-03 20:24       ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-04 10:06         ` utrace merge Ingo Molnar
2007-04-04 10:36           ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-04 18:41             ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-03 14:01   ` [RFC] Cpu-hotplug: Using the Process Freezer (try2) Gautham R Shenoy

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