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From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>, Peter Klotz <peter.klotz@aon.at>,
	stable@kernel.org,
	Linux Memory Management List <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Roman Kononov <kernel@kononov.ftml.net>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, xfs@oss.sgi.com,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [patch] mm: fix lockless pagecache reordering bug (was Re:
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 13:58:32 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090105215832.GR6959@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1231189491.11687.22.camel@twins>

On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 10:04:51PM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Mon, 2009-01-05 at 12:12 -0800, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 10:44:27AM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> > > On Mon, 5 Jan 2009, Nick Piggin wrote:
> > > > On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 09:30:55AM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> > > > Putting an rcu_dereference there might work, but I think it misses a 
> > > > subtlety of this code.
> > > 
> > > No, _you_ miss the subtlety of something that can change under you.
> > > 
> > > Look at radix_tree_deref_slot(), and realize that without the 
> > > rcu_dereference(), the compiler would actually be allowed to think that it 
> > > can re-load anything from *pslot several times. So without my one-liner 
> > > patch, the compiler can actually do this:
> > > 
> > > 	register = load_from_memory(pslot)
> > > 	if (radix_tree_is_indirect_ptr(register))
> > > 		goto fail:
> > > 	return load_from_memory(pslot);
> > > 
> > >    fail:
> > > 	return RADIX_TREE_RETRY;
> > 
> > My guess is that Nick believes that the value in *pslot cannot change
> > in such as way as to cause radix_tree_is_indirect_ptr()'s return value
> > to change within a given RCU grace period, and that Linus disagrees.
> 
> Nick's belief would indeed be true IFF all modifying ops including all
> uses of radix_tree_replace_slot() are serialized wrt. each other.
> 
> However, since radix_tree_deref_slot() is the counterpart of
> radix_tree_replace_slot(), one would indeed expect rcu_dereference()
> therein, much like Linus suggests.
> 
> While what Nick says is true, the lifetime management of the data
> objects is arranged externally from the radix tree -- I still think we
> need the rcu_dereference() even for that argument, as we want to support
> RCU lifetime management as well.

Makes sense to me!

							Thanx, Paul

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From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Roman Kononov <kernel@kononov.ftml.net>,
	xfs@oss.sgi.com, Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Linux Memory Management List <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Peter Klotz <peter.klotz@aon.at>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	stable@kernel.org
Subject: Re: [patch] mm: fix lockless pagecache reordering bug (was Re:
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 13:58:32 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090105215832.GR6959@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1231189491.11687.22.camel@twins>

On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 10:04:51PM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Mon, 2009-01-05 at 12:12 -0800, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 10:44:27AM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> > > On Mon, 5 Jan 2009, Nick Piggin wrote:
> > > > On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 09:30:55AM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> > > > Putting an rcu_dereference there might work, but I think it misses a 
> > > > subtlety of this code.
> > > 
> > > No, _you_ miss the subtlety of something that can change under you.
> > > 
> > > Look at radix_tree_deref_slot(), and realize that without the 
> > > rcu_dereference(), the compiler would actually be allowed to think that it 
> > > can re-load anything from *pslot several times. So without my one-liner 
> > > patch, the compiler can actually do this:
> > > 
> > > 	register = load_from_memory(pslot)
> > > 	if (radix_tree_is_indirect_ptr(register))
> > > 		goto fail:
> > > 	return load_from_memory(pslot);
> > > 
> > >    fail:
> > > 	return RADIX_TREE_RETRY;
> > 
> > My guess is that Nick believes that the value in *pslot cannot change
> > in such as way as to cause radix_tree_is_indirect_ptr()'s return value
> > to change within a given RCU grace period, and that Linus disagrees.
> 
> Nick's belief would indeed be true IFF all modifying ops including all
> uses of radix_tree_replace_slot() are serialized wrt. each other.
> 
> However, since radix_tree_deref_slot() is the counterpart of
> radix_tree_replace_slot(), one would indeed expect rcu_dereference()
> therein, much like Linus suggests.
> 
> While what Nick says is true, the lifetime management of the data
> objects is arranged externally from the radix tree -- I still think we
> need the rcu_dereference() even for that argument, as we want to support
> RCU lifetime management as well.

Makes sense to me!

							Thanx, Paul

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From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>, Peter Klotz <peter.klotz@aon.at>,
	stable@kernel.org,
	Linux Memory Management List <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Roman Kononov <kernel@kononov.ftml.net>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, xfs@oss.sgi.com,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [patch] mm: fix lockless pagecache reordering bug (was Re:
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 13:58:32 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090105215832.GR6959@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1231189491.11687.22.camel@twins>

On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 10:04:51PM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Mon, 2009-01-05 at 12:12 -0800, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 10:44:27AM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> > > On Mon, 5 Jan 2009, Nick Piggin wrote:
> > > > On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 09:30:55AM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> > > > Putting an rcu_dereference there might work, but I think it misses a 
> > > > subtlety of this code.
> > > 
> > > No, _you_ miss the subtlety of something that can change under you.
> > > 
> > > Look at radix_tree_deref_slot(), and realize that without the 
> > > rcu_dereference(), the compiler would actually be allowed to think that it 
> > > can re-load anything from *pslot several times. So without my one-liner 
> > > patch, the compiler can actually do this:
> > > 
> > > 	register = load_from_memory(pslot)
> > > 	if (radix_tree_is_indirect_ptr(register))
> > > 		goto fail:
> > > 	return load_from_memory(pslot);
> > > 
> > >    fail:
> > > 	return RADIX_TREE_RETRY;
> > 
> > My guess is that Nick believes that the value in *pslot cannot change
> > in such as way as to cause radix_tree_is_indirect_ptr()'s return value
> > to change within a given RCU grace period, and that Linus disagrees.
> 
> Nick's belief would indeed be true IFF all modifying ops including all
> uses of radix_tree_replace_slot() are serialized wrt. each other.
> 
> However, since radix_tree_deref_slot() is the counterpart of
> radix_tree_replace_slot(), one would indeed expect rcu_dereference()
> therein, much like Linus suggests.
> 
> While what Nick says is true, the lifetime management of the data
> objects is arranged externally from the radix tree -- I still think we
> need the rcu_dereference() even for that argument, as we want to support
> RCU lifetime management as well.

Makes sense to me!

							Thanx, Paul

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  reply	other threads:[~2009-01-05 21:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-12-19  6:59 BUG: soft lockup - is this XFS problem? Roman Kononov
2008-12-23 17:12 ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-12-23 17:12   ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-12-30  4:23   ` Nick Piggin
2008-12-30  4:23     ` Nick Piggin
2009-01-03 21:44     ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-01-03 21:44       ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-01-05  1:48       ` Nick Piggin
2009-01-05  1:48         ` Nick Piggin
2009-01-05  4:19         ` Nick Piggin
2009-01-05  4:19           ` Nick Piggin
2009-01-05  6:48           ` Nick Piggin
2009-01-05  6:48             ` Nick Piggin
2009-01-05 14:25             ` Roman Kononov
2009-01-05 14:25               ` Roman Kononov
2009-01-05 16:21             ` Peter Klotz
2009-01-05 16:21               ` Peter Klotz
2009-01-05 16:41               ` [patch] mm: fix lockless pagecache reordering bug (was Re: BUG: soft lockup - is this XFS problem?) Nick Piggin
2009-01-05 16:41                 ` Nick Piggin
2009-01-05 16:41                 ` Nick Piggin
2009-01-05 17:30                 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-01-05 17:30                   ` Linus Torvalds
2009-01-05 17:30                   ` Linus Torvalds
2009-01-05 18:00                   ` Nick Piggin
2009-01-05 18:00                     ` Nick Piggin
2009-01-05 18:00                     ` Nick Piggin
2009-01-05 18:44                     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-01-05 18:44                       ` Linus Torvalds
2009-01-05 18:44                       ` Linus Torvalds
2009-01-05 19:39                       ` Linus Torvalds
2009-01-05 19:39                         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-01-05 19:39                         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-01-06 17:17                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-01-06 17:17                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-01-06 17:17                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-01-05 20:12                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-01-05 20:12                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-01-05 20:12                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-01-05 20:39                         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-01-05 20:39                           ` Linus Torvalds
2009-01-05 20:39                           ` Linus Torvalds
2009-01-05 21:57                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-01-05 21:57                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-01-05 21:57                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-01-06  2:05                             ` Nick Piggin
2009-01-06  2:05                               ` Nick Piggin
2009-01-06  2:05                               ` Nick Piggin
2009-01-06  2:23                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-01-06  2:23                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-01-06  2:23                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-01-06  2:29                               ` Linus Torvalds
2009-01-06  2:29                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-01-06  2:29                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-01-06  8:38                               ` Peter Klotz
2009-01-06  8:38                                 ` Peter Klotz
2009-01-06  8:38                                 ` Peter Klotz
2009-01-06  8:43                                 ` Nick Piggin
2009-01-06  8:43                                   ` Nick Piggin
2009-01-06  8:43                                   ` Nick Piggin
2009-01-06 16:16                               ` Roman Kononov
2009-01-06 16:16                                 ` Roman Kononov
2009-01-06 16:16                                 ` Roman Kononov
2009-01-05 21:04                         ` [patch] mm: fix lockless pagecache reordering bug (was Peter Zijlstra
2009-01-05 21:04                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-01-05 21:04                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-01-05 21:58                           ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2009-01-05 21:58                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-01-05 21:58                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2011-07-14 11:23             ` BUG: soft lockup - is this XFS problem? Guus Sliepen
2011-07-14 11:23               ` Guus Sliepen
2011-07-14 18:03               ` Peter Klotz
2011-07-14 18:03                 ` Peter Klotz
2011-07-14 19:29                 ` Guus Sliepen
2011-07-14 19:29                   ` Guus Sliepen

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