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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>, Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/4] generic-smp: remove kmalloc usage
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:43:59 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090217094359.GA1231@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1234859071.4744.10.camel@laptop>


* Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl> wrote:

> On Mon, 2009-02-16 at 16:40 -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> > 
> > On Mon, 16 Feb 2009, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > >
> > > Now that there is no strict need for kmalloc anymore, and nobody seems to
> > > rely it for the queueing behaviour, remove it.
> > 
> > Peter, I really hate this series.
> > 
> > Why?
> > 
> > In 1/4 you introduce that cfd RCU thing, and then in 2/4 you remove it 
> > again.
> 
> Ah, no, I don't actually. I remove the kmalloc+call_rcu stuff in 2, not
> the newly cfd mini rcu thing.
> 
> > I realize that you seem to do that in order to do some incremental 
> > step-wise changes, but quite frankly, it just complicates the whole series 
> > and makes the patches much harder to read and follow.
> > 
> > Why don't you just combine patches 1&2? That split-up seems to just 
> > confuse things. At least it confuses me. Why does it happen?
> 
> The idea was to remove the necessity for kmalloc() in patch 1, 
> and then remove kmalloc() in patch 2.
> 
> If you prefer I can fold them, no problem.
> 
> But as you might have seen, Oleg has been punching holes in my 
> #1, so I guess I'm back to the drawing board no matter what 
> :-)

I think the kmalloc() is clearly ugly, we should remove it, and 
if someone wants to add it we want to see _hard numbers_ that 
it's worth the ugliness. I.e. lets go with the two patches i 
posted, they are obvious and tested.

We should not bend backwards trying to preserve that kmalloc() 
[and prove that it's safe and race-free] - i.e. the burden of 
proof is on the person insisting that it's needed, not on the 
person wanting to remove it.

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2009-02-17  9:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 103+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-02-16 16:38 [PATCH 0/4] generic smp helpers vs kmalloc Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-16 16:38 ` [PATCH 1/4] generic-smp: remove single ipi fallback for smp_call_function_many() Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-16 19:10   ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-02-16 19:41     ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-16 20:30       ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-02-16 20:55         ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-16 21:22           ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-02-17 12:25     ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-02-16 20:49   ` Q: smp.c && barriers (Was: [PATCH 1/4] generic-smp: remove single ipi fallback for smp_call_function_many()) Oleg Nesterov
2009-02-16 21:03     ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-16 21:32       ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-02-16 21:45         ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-16 22:02           ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-02-16 22:24             ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-16 23:19               ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-02-17  9:29                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-17 10:11                   ` Nick Piggin
2009-02-17 10:27                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-17 10:39                       ` Nick Piggin
2009-02-17 11:26                       ` Nick Piggin
2009-02-17 11:48                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-17 15:51                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-18  2:15                           ` Suresh Siddha
2009-02-18  2:40                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-17 19:28                         ` Q: " Oleg Nesterov
2009-02-17 21:32                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-17 21:45                             ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-02-17 22:39                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-18 13:52                                 ` Nick Piggin
2009-02-18 16:09                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2009-02-18 16:21                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-18 16:21                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-18 16:21                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-18 16:33                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2009-02-18 16:58                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-18 17:05                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-18 17:10                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-18 17:17                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2009-02-18 17:23                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-18 17:14                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2009-02-18 17:47                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-18 18:33                                               ` Suresh Siddha
2009-02-18 16:37                                       ` Gleb Natapov
2009-02-19  0:12                                     ` Nick Piggin
2009-02-19  6:47                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-02-19 13:11                                       ` Nick Piggin
2009-02-19 15:06                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-19 21:49                                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-02-18  2:21                         ` Suresh Siddha
2009-02-18 13:59                           ` Nick Piggin
2009-02-18 16:19                             ` Linus Torvalds
2009-02-18 16:23                               ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-18 18:43                             ` Suresh Siddha
2009-02-18 19:17                               ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-18 23:55                                 ` Suresh Siddha
2009-02-19 12:20                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-19 12:29                                     ` Nick Piggin
2009-02-19 12:45                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-19 22:00                                     ` Suresh Siddha
2009-02-20 10:56                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-20 18:56                                         ` Suresh Siddha
2009-02-20 19:40                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-20 23:28                                           ` Jack Steiner
2009-02-25  3:32                                           ` Nick Piggin
2009-02-25 12:47                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-25 18:25                                             ` Luck, Tony
2009-03-17 18:16                                             ` Suresh Siddha
2009-03-18  8:51                                               ` [tip:x86/x2apic] x86: add x2apic_wrmsr_fence() to x2apic flush tlb paths Suresh Siddha
2009-02-17 12:40                   ` Q: smp.c && barriers (Was: [PATCH 1/4] generic-smp: remove single ipi fallback for smp_call_function_many()) Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-17 15:43                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-17 15:40   ` [PATCH] generic-smp: remove kmalloc() Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-17 17:21     ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-02-17 17:40       ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-17 17:46         ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-17 18:30           ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-02-17 19:29         ` [PATCH -v4] generic-ipi: " Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-17 20:02           ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-02-17 20:11             ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-17 20:16               ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-17 20:44                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-02-17 20:49                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-17 22:09                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-02-17 22:15                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-17 21:30           ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-17 21:38             ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-16 16:38 ` [PATCH 2/4] generic-smp: remove kmalloc usage Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-17  0:40   ` Linus Torvalds
2009-02-17  8:24     ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-17  9:43       ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2009-02-17  9:49         ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-17 10:56           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-18  4:50         ` Rusty Russell
2009-02-18 16:05           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-19  0:00             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-02-19 12:21               ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-19  4:31             ` Rusty Russell
2009-02-19  9:10               ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-19 11:04                 ` Jens Axboe
2009-02-19 16:52               ` Linus Torvalds
2009-02-17 15:44       ` Linus Torvalds
2009-02-16 16:38 ` [PATCH 3/4] generic-smp: properly allocate the cpumasks Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-16 23:17   ` Rusty Russell
2009-02-16 16:38 ` [PATCH 4/4] generic-smp: clean up some of the csd->flags fiddling Peter Zijlstra

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