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From: David Gibson <david-xT8FGy+AXnRB3Ne2BGzF6laj5H9X9Tb+@public.gmane.org>
To: Wolfgang Grandegger <wg-5Yr1BZd7O62+XT7JhA+gdA@public.gmane.org>
Cc: linuxppc-dev-mnsaURCQ41sdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org,
	devicetree-discuss-mnsaURCQ41sdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] powerpc: i2c-mpc: preserve I2C clocking
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 11:07:47 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090402000747.GC7995@yookeroo.seuss> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <49D31A5D.8030204-5Yr1BZd7O62+XT7JhA+gdA@public.gmane.org>

On Wed, Apr 01, 2009 at 09:40:13AM +0200, Wolfgang Grandegger wrote:
> David Gibson wrote:
> > On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 02:43:39PM +0200, Wolfgang Grandegger wrote:
> >> The I2c node property "fsl,preserve-clocking" allows to overtake the
> >> clock settings from the boot loader and avoids the hard-coded setting.
> > 
> > Hrm.  This is dubious.  The device tree should generally describe
> > hardware, not OS/driver behaviour which is what this appears to be
> > doing.  There are exceptions, but you need to justify them.
> 
> I think the purpose of this property is clear. How would you provide
> that functionality instead? I suggested that a "clock-frequency = <0>"
> property should do the trick but Grant preferred to be more
> explicit.

I'm not saying the meaning is unclear, I'm saying it's describing
something that the device tree isn't meant to describe.  AFAICT it's
telling the driver what to do with the device, not a property of the
device itself.

Now, there are cases where it's acceptable to put this sort of
information in the device tree, because it's the least nasty available
solution (flash partition information for example).  But you need to
justify it, if that's so.

-- 
David Gibson			| I'll have my music baroque, and my code
david AT gibson.dropbear.id.au	| minimalist, thank you.  NOT _the_ _other_
				| _way_ _around_!
http://www.ozlabs.org/~dgibson

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From: David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au>
To: Wolfgang Grandegger <wg@grandegger.com>
Cc: linuxppc-dev@ozlabs.org, devicetree-discuss@ozlabs.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] powerpc: i2c-mpc: preserve I2C clocking
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 11:07:47 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090402000747.GC7995@yookeroo.seuss> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <49D31A5D.8030204@grandegger.com>

On Wed, Apr 01, 2009 at 09:40:13AM +0200, Wolfgang Grandegger wrote:
> David Gibson wrote:
> > On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 02:43:39PM +0200, Wolfgang Grandegger wrote:
> >> The I2c node property "fsl,preserve-clocking" allows to overtake the
> >> clock settings from the boot loader and avoids the hard-coded setting.
> > 
> > Hrm.  This is dubious.  The device tree should generally describe
> > hardware, not OS/driver behaviour which is what this appears to be
> > doing.  There are exceptions, but you need to justify them.
> 
> I think the purpose of this property is clear. How would you provide
> that functionality instead? I suggested that a "clock-frequency = <0>"
> property should do the trick but Grant preferred to be more
> explicit.

I'm not saying the meaning is unclear, I'm saying it's describing
something that the device tree isn't meant to describe.  AFAICT it's
telling the driver what to do with the device, not a property of the
device itself.

Now, there are cases where it's acceptable to put this sort of
information in the device tree, because it's the least nasty available
solution (flash partition information for example).  But you need to
justify it, if that's so.

-- 
David Gibson			| I'll have my music baroque, and my code
david AT gibson.dropbear.id.au	| minimalist, thank you.  NOT _the_ _other_
				| _way_ _around_!
http://www.ozlabs.org/~dgibson

  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-04-02  0:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-03-31 12:43 [PATCH 0/2] test Wolfgang Grandegger
2009-03-31 12:43 ` Wolfgang Grandegger
2009-03-31 12:43 ` [PATCH 1/2] powerpc: i2c-mpc: preserve I2C clocking Wolfgang Grandegger
2009-03-31 12:43   ` Wolfgang Grandegger
2009-03-31 23:06   ` David Gibson
     [not found]     ` <20090331230626.GB23304-787xzQ0H9iRg7VrjXcPTGA@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-01  7:40       ` Wolfgang Grandegger
2009-04-01  7:40         ` Wolfgang Grandegger
     [not found]         ` <49D31A5D.8030204-5Yr1BZd7O62+XT7JhA+gdA@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-02  0:07           ` David Gibson [this message]
2009-04-02  0:07             ` David Gibson
2009-03-31 12:43 ` [PATCH 2/2] powerpc: i2c-mpc: make I2C bus speed configurable Wolfgang Grandegger
2009-03-31 12:43   ` Wolfgang Grandegger
2009-03-31 12:50 [PATCH 0/2] " Wolfgang Grandegger
2009-03-31 12:50 ` [PATCH 1/2] powerpc: i2c-mpc: preserve I2C clocking Wolfgang Grandegger
2009-03-31 12:50   ` Wolfgang Grandegger
     [not found]   ` <20090331125451.600446749-ynQEQJNshbs@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-31 13:39     ` Wolfram Sang
2009-03-31 13:39       ` Wolfram Sang
2009-03-31 13:47       ` Wolfgang Grandegger
     [not found]         ` <49D21EF1.9050200-5Yr1BZd7O62+XT7JhA+gdA@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-31 13:56           ` Wolfram Sang
2009-03-31 13:56             ` Wolfram Sang
     [not found]             ` <20090331135629.GC3044-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-31 15:44               ` Grant Likely
2009-03-31 15:44                 ` Grant Likely
     [not found]                 ` <fa686aa40903310844j11a85fb6w3558923e12670ba9-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-31 20:05                   ` Wolfgang Grandegger
2009-03-31 20:05                     ` Wolfgang Grandegger

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