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From: KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>
To: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>
Cc: kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com,
	Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH] proc: export more page flags in /proc/kpageflags
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 16:17:09 +0900 (JST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090414161211.C66E.A69D9226@jp.fujitsu.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090414071159.GV14687@one.firstfloor.org>

> On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 03:54:40PM +0900, KOSAKI Motohiro wrote:
> > Hi
> 
> There are two use cases here:
> 
> First what is useful for the administrator as a general abstraction.
> And what is useful for the kernel hacker for debugging.
> 
> The kernel hacker wants everything even if it's subject to change,
> the administrator wants a higher level abstraction they can make
> sense of and that doesn't change too often.
> 
> I think there's a case for both usages, but perhaps they 
> should be separated (in a public and a internal interface perhaps?)
> 
> My comments below are about abstractions for the first case.
> 
> 
> > 
> > > On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 12:37:10PM +0800, KOSAKI Motohiro wrote:
> > > > > Export the following page flags in /proc/kpageflags,
> > > > > just in case they will be useful to someone:
> > > > > 
> > > > > - PG_swapcache
> > > > > - PG_swapbacked
> > > > > - PG_mappedtodisk
> > > > > - PG_reserved
> 
> PG_reserved should be exported as PG_KERNEL or somesuch.

OK.

rest problem is, how do we write document this.
PG_reserved have multiple meanings...


> > > > > - PG_private
> > > > > - PG_private_2
> > > > > - PG_owner_priv_1
> > > > > 
> > > > > - PG_head
> > > > > - PG_tail
> > > > > - PG_compound
> 
> I would combine these three into a pseudo "large page" flag.

Ah good idea.

> > > > > 
> > > > > - PG_unevictable
> > > > > - PG_mlocked
> > > > > 
> > > > > - PG_poison
> 
> PG_poison is also useful to export. But since it depends on my
> patchkit I will pull a patch for that into the HWPOISON series.

Yes, I agree.

> > > > > - PG_unevictable
> > > > > - PG_mlocked
> > 
> > this 9 flags shouldn't exported.
> > I can't imazine administrator use what purpose those flags.
> 
> I think an abstraced "PG_pinned" or somesuch flag that combines
> page lock, unevictable, mlocked would be useful for the administrator.

PG_unevictable and PG_mlocked have a bit delicate meaning.
it gurantee the page isn't evicted. but mlock(2) don't gurantee
turn page on PG_mlocked. some race prevent it.

I'm afraid administrator confuse it. but if someone can write good
document, my worriness will vanished.






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From: KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>
To: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>
Cc: kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com,
	Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH] proc: export more page flags in /proc/kpageflags
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 16:17:09 +0900 (JST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090414161211.C66E.A69D9226@jp.fujitsu.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090414071159.GV14687@one.firstfloor.org>

> On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 03:54:40PM +0900, KOSAKI Motohiro wrote:
> > Hi
> 
> There are two use cases here:
> 
> First what is useful for the administrator as a general abstraction.
> And what is useful for the kernel hacker for debugging.
> 
> The kernel hacker wants everything even if it's subject to change,
> the administrator wants a higher level abstraction they can make
> sense of and that doesn't change too often.
> 
> I think there's a case for both usages, but perhaps they 
> should be separated (in a public and a internal interface perhaps?)
> 
> My comments below are about abstractions for the first case.
> 
> 
> > 
> > > On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 12:37:10PM +0800, KOSAKI Motohiro wrote:
> > > > > Export the following page flags in /proc/kpageflags,
> > > > > just in case they will be useful to someone:
> > > > > 
> > > > > - PG_swapcache
> > > > > - PG_swapbacked
> > > > > - PG_mappedtodisk
> > > > > - PG_reserved
> 
> PG_reserved should be exported as PG_KERNEL or somesuch.

OK.

rest problem is, how do we write document this.
PG_reserved have multiple meanings...


> > > > > - PG_private
> > > > > - PG_private_2
> > > > > - PG_owner_priv_1
> > > > > 
> > > > > - PG_head
> > > > > - PG_tail
> > > > > - PG_compound
> 
> I would combine these three into a pseudo "large page" flag.

Ah good idea.

> > > > > 
> > > > > - PG_unevictable
> > > > > - PG_mlocked
> > > > > 
> > > > > - PG_poison
> 
> PG_poison is also useful to export. But since it depends on my
> patchkit I will pull a patch for that into the HWPOISON series.

Yes, I agree.

> > > > > - PG_unevictable
> > > > > - PG_mlocked
> > 
> > this 9 flags shouldn't exported.
> > I can't imazine administrator use what purpose those flags.
> 
> I think an abstraced "PG_pinned" or somesuch flag that combines
> page lock, unevictable, mlocked would be useful for the administrator.

PG_unevictable and PG_mlocked have a bit delicate meaning.
it gurantee the page isn't evicted. but mlock(2) don't gurantee
turn page on PG_mlocked. some race prevent it.

I'm afraid administrator confuse it. but if someone can write good
document, my worriness will vanished.





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  reply	other threads:[~2009-04-14  7:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-04-14  4:22 [RFC][PATCH] proc: export more page flags in /proc/kpageflags Wu Fengguang
2009-04-14  4:22 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-04-14  4:36 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-04-14  4:37 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-14  4:37   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-14  6:41   ` Wu Fengguang
2009-04-14  6:41     ` Wu Fengguang
2009-04-14  6:54     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-14  6:54       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-14  7:11       ` Andi Kleen
2009-04-14  7:11         ` Andi Kleen
2009-04-14  7:17         ` KOSAKI Motohiro [this message]
2009-04-14  7:17           ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-15 13:18         ` Wu Fengguang
2009-04-15 13:18           ` Wu Fengguang
2009-04-15 13:57           ` Andi Kleen
2009-04-15 13:57             ` Andi Kleen
2009-04-16  2:41             ` Wu Fengguang
2009-04-16  2:41               ` Wu Fengguang
2009-04-16  3:54               ` Andi Kleen
2009-04-16  3:54                 ` Andi Kleen
2009-04-16  4:43                 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-04-16  4:43                   ` Wu Fengguang
2009-04-16  2:26           ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-16  2:26             ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-16  3:49             ` Wu Fengguang
2009-04-16  3:49               ` Wu Fengguang
2009-04-16  6:30               ` Wu Fengguang
2009-04-16  6:30                 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-04-23  2:26             ` [RFC][PATCH] proc: export more page flags in /proc/kpageflags (take 3) Wu Fengguang
2009-04-23  2:26               ` Wu Fengguang
2009-04-23  7:48               ` Andi Kleen
2009-04-23  7:48                 ` Andi Kleen
2009-04-23  8:10                 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-04-23  8:10                   ` Wu Fengguang
2009-04-23  8:54                   ` Andi Kleen
2009-04-23  8:54                     ` Andi Kleen
2009-04-23 11:21                     ` Wu Fengguang
2009-04-23 11:21                       ` Wu Fengguang
2009-04-25  1:59               ` Wu Fengguang
2009-04-14  7:22       ` [RFC][PATCH] proc: export more page flags in /proc/kpageflags Wu Fengguang
2009-04-14  7:22         ` Wu Fengguang
2009-04-14  7:42         ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-14  7:42           ` KOSAKI Motohiro

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