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From: Andrea Righi <righi.andrea@gmail.com>
To: KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>
Cc: randy.dunlap@oracle.com, Carl Henrik Lunde <chlunde@ping.uio.no>,
	Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>,
	eric.rannaud@gmail.com, Balbir Singh <balbir@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	fernando@oss.ntt.co.jp, dradford@bluehost.com,
	Gui@smtp1.linux-foundation.org, agk@sourceware.org,
	subrata@linux.vnet.ibm.com, Paul Menage <menage@google.com>,
	Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, containers@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, dave@linux.vnet.ibm.com,
	matt@bluehost.com, roberto@unbit.it, ngupta@google.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 9/9] ext3: do not throttle metadata and journal IO
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 12:22:41 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090422102239.GA1935@linux> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090422102153.9aec17b9.kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>

On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 10:21:53AM +0900, KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 09:33:49 +0900
> KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> > > And this should be probably strictly connected to the IO controller. If
> > > we throttle or delay the dispatching/submission of some IO requests
> > > without throttling the dirty pages rate a cgroup could completely waste
> > > its own available memory with dirty (hard and slow to reclaim) pages.
> > > 
> > > That is in part the approach I used in io-throttle v12, adding a hook in
> > > balance_dirty_pages_ratelimited_nr() to throttle the current task when
> > > cgroup's IO limit are exceeded. Argh!
> > > 
> > > So, another proposal could be to re-add in io-throttle v14 the old hook
> > > also in balance_dirty_pages_ratelimited_nr().
> > > 
> > > In this way io-throttle would:
> > > 
> > > - use page_cgroup infrastructure and page_cgroup->flags to encode the
> > >   cgroup id that firstly dirtied a generic page
> > > - account and opportunely throttle sync and writeback IO requests in
> > >   submit_bio()
> > > - at the same time throttle the tasks in
> > >   balance_dirty_pages_ratelimited_nr() if the cgroup they belong has
> > >   exhausted the IO BW (or quota, share, etc. in case of proportional BW
> > >   limit)
> > > 
> > 
> > IMHO, io-controller should just work as I/O subsystem as bdi. Now, per-bdi dirty_ratio
> > is suppoted and it seems to work well.  
> > 
> > Can't we write a function like  bdi_writeout_fraction() ?;
> > It will be a simple choice.
> > 
> One more thing, if you want dirty_ratio for throttoling I/O not for supporing page reclaim,
> Something like task_dirty_limit() will be apporpriate.
> 
> Thanks,
> -Kame

Actually I was proposing something quite similar, if I've understood
well. Just add a hook in balance_dirty_pages() to throttle tasks in
cgroups that exhausted their IO BW.

The way to do so will be similar to the per-bdi write throttling, taking
in account the IO requests previously submitted per cgroup, the pages
dirtied per cgroup (considering that are not necessarily dirtied by the
owner of the page) and apply something like congestion_wait() to
throttle the tasks in the cgroups that exceeded the BW limit.

Maybe we can just introduce cgroup_dirty_limit() simply replicating what
we're doing for task_dirty_limit(), but using per cgroup statistics of
course.

I can change the io-throttle controller to do so. This feature should be
valid also for the proportional BW approach.

BTW Vivek's proposal to also dispatch IO requests according to cgroup
proportional BW limits can be still valid and it is worth to be tested
IMHO. But we must also find a way to say to the right cgroup: hey! stop
to waste the memory with dirty pages, because you've directly or
indirectly generated too much IO in the system and I'm throttling and/or
not scheduling your IO requests.

Objections?

-Andrea

  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-04-22 10:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 207+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-04-14 20:21 [PATCH 0/9] cgroup: io-throttle controller (v13) Andrea Righi
     [not found] ` <1239740480-28125-1-git-send-email-righi.andrea-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-14 20:21   ` [PATCH 1/9] io-throttle documentation Andrea Righi
2009-04-14 20:21     ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-17  1:24     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-04-17  1:56       ` Li Zefan
2009-04-17 10:25         ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-17 10:41           ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-17 10:41           ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-17 11:35           ` Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2009-04-17 11:35           ` Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2009-04-20  9:38           ` Ryo Tsuruta
2009-04-20  9:38           ` Ryo Tsuruta
     [not found]             ` <20090420.183815.226804723.ryov-jCdQPDEk3idL9jVzuh4AOg@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-20 15:00               ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-20 15:00             ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-27 10:45               ` Ryo Tsuruta
2009-04-27 12:15                 ` Ryo Tsuruta
     [not found]                 ` <20090427.194533.183037823.ryov-jCdQPDEk3idL9jVzuh4AOg@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-27 12:15                   ` Ryo Tsuruta
2009-04-27 21:56                   ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-27 21:56                     ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-27 10:45               ` Ryo Tsuruta
     [not found]         ` <49E7E1CF.6060209-BthXqXjhjHXQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-17 10:25           ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-17  7:34       ` Gui Jianfeng
2009-04-17  7:43         ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-04-17  9:29           ` Gui Jianfeng
     [not found]           ` <20090417164351.ea85012d.kamezawa.hiroyu-+CUm20s59erQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-17  9:29             ` Gui Jianfeng
     [not found]         ` <49E8311D.5030901-BthXqXjhjHXQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-17  7:43           ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
     [not found]       ` <20090417102417.88a0ef93.kamezawa.hiroyu-+CUm20s59erQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-17  1:56         ` Li Zefan
2009-04-17  7:34         ` Gui Jianfeng
2009-04-17  9:55         ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-17  9:55       ` Andrea Righi
     [not found]     ` <1239740480-28125-2-git-send-email-righi.andrea-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-17  1:24       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-04-17 17:39       ` Vivek Goyal
2009-04-17 17:39         ` Vivek Goyal
2009-04-17 23:12         ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-19 13:42           ` Vivek Goyal
2009-04-19 13:42             ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]             ` <20090419134201.GF8493-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-19 15:47               ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-19 15:47             ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-20 21:28               ` Vivek Goyal
2009-04-20 21:28                 ` Vivek Goyal
2009-04-20 22:05                 ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-21  1:08                   ` Vivek Goyal
2009-04-21  1:08                     ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]                     ` <20090421010846.GA15850-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-21  8:37                       ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-21  8:37                     ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-21 14:23                       ` Vivek Goyal
2009-04-21 14:23                         ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]                         ` <20090421142305.GB22619-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-21 18:29                           ` Vivek Goyal
2009-04-21 18:29                             ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]                             ` <20090421182958.GF22619-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-21 21:36                               ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-21 21:36                                 ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-21 21:28                           ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-21 21:28                         ` Andrea Righi
     [not found]                 ` <20090420212827.GA9080-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-20 22:05                   ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-19 13:54           ` Vivek Goyal
2009-04-19 13:54             ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]         ` <20090417173955.GF29086-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-17 23:12           ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-14 20:21   ` [PATCH 2/9] res_counter: introduce ratelimiting attributes Andrea Righi
2009-04-14 20:21     ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-14 20:21   ` [PATCH 3/9] bio-cgroup controller Andrea Righi
2009-04-14 20:21     ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-15  2:15     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-04-15  9:37       ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-15 12:38         ` Ryo Tsuruta
     [not found]           ` <20090415.213850.226770691.ryov-jCdQPDEk3idL9jVzuh4AOg@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-15 13:23             ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-15 13:23           ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-15 23:58             ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-04-15 23:58             ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-04-16 10:42               ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-16 12:00                 ` Ryo Tsuruta
2009-04-16 12:00                 ` Ryo Tsuruta
2009-04-17  0:04                 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-04-17  9:44                   ` Andrea Righi
     [not found]                   ` <20090417090451.5ad9022f.kamezawa.hiroyu-+CUm20s59erQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-17  9:44                     ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-17  0:04                 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
     [not found]               ` <20090416085814.8b6d077f.kamezawa.hiroyu-+CUm20s59erQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-16 10:42                 ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-15 12:38         ` Ryo Tsuruta
2009-04-15 13:07       ` Andrea Righi
     [not found]       ` <20090415111528.b796519a.kamezawa.hiroyu-+CUm20s59erQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-15  9:37         ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-15 13:07         ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-16 22:29     ` Andrew Morton
2009-04-17  0:20       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
     [not found]         ` <20090417092040.1c832c69.kamezawa.hiroyu-+CUm20s59erQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-17  0:44           ` Andrew Morton
2009-04-17  0:44             ` Andrew Morton
2009-04-17  1:44             ` Ryo Tsuruta
2009-04-17  4:15               ` Andrew Morton
     [not found]                 ` <20090416211514.038c5e91.akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-17  7:48                   ` Ryo Tsuruta
2009-04-17  7:48                 ` Ryo Tsuruta
     [not found]               ` <20090417.104432.193700511.ryov-jCdQPDEk3idL9jVzuh4AOg@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-17  4:15                 ` Andrew Morton
2009-04-17  1:50             ` Balbir Singh
     [not found]             ` <20090416174428.6bb5da21.akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-17  1:44               ` Ryo Tsuruta
2009-04-17  1:50               ` Balbir Singh
     [not found]       ` <20090416152937.b2188370.akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-17  0:20         ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-04-17  9:40         ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-17  9:40       ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-17  1:49     ` Takuya Yoshikawa
2009-04-17  2:24       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
     [not found]         ` <20090417112433.085ed604.kamezawa.hiroyu-+CUm20s59erQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-17  7:22           ` Ryo Tsuruta
2009-04-17  7:22         ` Ryo Tsuruta
2009-04-17  8:00           ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
     [not found]             ` <20090417170016.5c7268f1.kamezawa.hiroyu-+CUm20s59erQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-17  8:48               ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-04-17  8:48             ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
     [not found]               ` <20090417174854.07aeec9f.kamezawa.hiroyu-+CUm20s59erQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-17  8:51                 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-04-17  8:51               ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
     [not found]           ` <20090417.162201.183038478.ryov-jCdQPDEk3idL9jVzuh4AOg@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-17  8:00             ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-04-17 11:27             ` Block I/O tracking (was Re: [PATCH 3/9] bio-cgroup controller) Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2009-04-17 11:27           ` Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2009-04-17 22:09             ` Andrea Righi
     [not found]             ` <49E8679D.8010405-gVGce1chcLdL9jVzuh4AOg@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-17 22:09               ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-17  7:32       ` [PATCH 3/9] bio-cgroup controller Ryo Tsuruta
     [not found]       ` <49E7E037.9080004-gVGce1chcLdL9jVzuh4AOg@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-17  2:24         ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-04-17  7:32         ` Ryo Tsuruta
2009-04-17 10:22     ` Balbir Singh
     [not found]       ` <20090417102214.GC3896-SINUvgVNF2CyUtPGxGje5AC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-20 11:35         ` Ryo Tsuruta
2009-04-20 11:35       ` Ryo Tsuruta
     [not found]         ` <20090420.203540.104031006.ryov-jCdQPDEk3idL9jVzuh4AOg@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-20 14:56           ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-20 14:56         ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-21 11:39           ` Ryo Tsuruta
2009-04-21 11:39           ` Ryo Tsuruta
2009-04-21 15:31           ` Balbir Singh
2009-04-21 15:31           ` Balbir Singh
     [not found]     ` <1239740480-28125-4-git-send-email-righi.andrea-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-15  2:15       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-04-16 22:29       ` Andrew Morton
2009-04-17  1:49       ` Takuya Yoshikawa
2009-04-17 10:22       ` Balbir Singh
2009-04-14 20:21   ` [PATCH 4/9] support checking of cgroup subsystem dependencies Andrea Righi
2009-04-14 20:21   ` [PATCH 5/9] io-throttle controller infrastructure Andrea Righi
2009-04-14 20:21   ` [PATCH 6/9] kiothrottled: throttle buffered (writeback) IO Andrea Righi
2009-04-14 20:21     ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-14 20:21   ` [PATCH 7/9] io-throttle instrumentation Andrea Righi
2009-04-14 20:21     ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-14 20:21   ` [PATCH 8/9] export per-task io-throttle statistics to userspace Andrea Righi
2009-04-14 20:21     ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-14 20:21   ` [PATCH 9/9] ext3: do not throttle metadata and journal IO Andrea Righi
2009-04-14 20:21     ` Andrea Righi
     [not found]     ` <1239740480-28125-10-git-send-email-righi.andrea-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-17 12:38       ` Theodore Tso
2009-04-17 12:38     ` Theodore Tso
2009-04-17 12:50       ` Jens Axboe
     [not found]         ` <20090417125004.GY4593-tSWWG44O7X1aa/9Udqfwiw@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-17 14:39           ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-17 14:39         ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-21  0:18           ` Theodore Tso
2009-04-21  8:30             ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-21 14:06               ` Theodore Tso
2009-04-21 14:31                 ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-21 16:35                   ` Theodore Tso
     [not found]                     ` <20090421163537.GI19186-3s7WtUTddSA@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-21 17:23                       ` Balbir Singh
2009-04-21 17:23                     ` Balbir Singh
     [not found]                       ` <20090421172317.GM19637-SINUvgVNF2CyUtPGxGje5AC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-21 17:46                         ` Theodore Tso
2009-04-21 17:46                       ` Theodore Tso
     [not found]                         ` <20090421174620.GD15541-3s7WtUTddSA@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-21 18:14                           ` Balbir Singh
2009-04-21 18:14                         ` Balbir Singh
2009-04-21 19:14                           ` Theodore Tso
     [not found]                             ` <20090421191401.GF15541-3s7WtUTddSA@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-21 20:49                               ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-22  3:30                               ` Balbir Singh
2009-04-21 20:49                             ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-22  0:33                               ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-04-22  1:21                                 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
     [not found]                                   ` <20090422102153.9aec17b9.kamezawa.hiroyu-+CUm20s59erQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-22 10:22                                     ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-22 10:22                                   ` Andrea Righi [this message]
2009-04-23  0:05                                     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-04-23  1:22                                       ` Theodore Tso
     [not found]                                         ` <20090423012254.GZ15541-3s7WtUTddSA@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-23  2:54                                           ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-04-23  2:54                                         ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
     [not found]                                           ` <20090423115419.c493266a.kamezawa.hiroyu-+CUm20s59erQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-23  4:35                                             ` Theodore Tso
2009-04-23  4:35                                           ` Theodore Tso
     [not found]                                             ` <20090423043547.GB2723-3s7WtUTddSA@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-23  4:58                                               ` Andrew Morton
2009-04-23  4:58                                                 ` Andrew Morton
2009-04-23  5:37                                                 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
     [not found]                                                 ` <20090422215825.f83e1b27.akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-23  5:37                                                   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-04-23  9:44                                               ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-24  5:14                                               ` Balbir Singh
2009-04-23  9:44                                             ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-23 12:17                                               ` Theodore Tso
2009-04-23 12:17                                               ` Theodore Tso
     [not found]                                                 ` <20090423121745.GC2723-3s7WtUTddSA@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-23 12:27                                                   ` Theodore Tso
2009-04-23 12:27                                                     ` Theodore Tso
2009-04-23 21:13                                                   ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-23 21:13                                                     ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-24  0:26                                                     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-04-24  0:26                                                     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-04-24  5:14                                             ` Balbir Singh
2009-04-23 10:03                                       ` Andrea Righi
     [not found]                                       ` <20090423090535.ec419269.kamezawa.hiroyu-+CUm20s59erQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-23  1:22                                         ` Theodore Tso
2009-04-23 10:03                                         ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-23  0:05                                     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
     [not found]                                 ` <20090422093349.1ee9ae82.kamezawa.hiroyu-+CUm20s59erQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-22  1:21                                   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-04-22  0:33                               ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-04-22  3:30                             ` Balbir Singh
     [not found]                           ` <20090421181429.GO19637-SINUvgVNF2CyUtPGxGje5AC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-21 19:14                             ` Theodore Tso
2009-04-21 16:35                   ` Theodore Tso
     [not found]                 ` <20090421140631.GF19186-3s7WtUTddSA@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-21 14:31                   ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-24 15:10                   ` Balbir Singh
2009-04-24 15:10                 ` Balbir Singh
2009-04-21 14:06               ` Theodore Tso
     [not found]             ` <20090421001822.GB19186-3s7WtUTddSA@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-21  8:30               ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-21  0:18           ` Theodore Tso
     [not found]       ` <20090417123805.GC7117-3s7WtUTddSA@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-17 12:50         ` Jens Axboe
2009-04-16 22:24   ` [PATCH 0/9] cgroup: io-throttle controller (v13) Andrew Morton
2009-04-16 22:24     ` Andrew Morton
     [not found]     ` <20090416152433.aaaba300.akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-17  9:37       ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-17  9:37         ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-30 13:20   ` Alan D. Brunelle
2009-04-14 20:21 ` [PATCH 4/9] support checking of cgroup subsystem dependencies Andrea Righi
2009-04-14 20:21 ` [PATCH 5/9] io-throttle controller infrastructure Andrea Righi
2009-04-30 13:20 ` [PATCH 0/9] cgroup: io-throttle controller (v13) Alan D. Brunelle
     [not found]   ` <49F9A5BA.9030100-VXdhtT5mjnY@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-01 11:11     ` Andrea Righi
2009-05-01 11:11   ` Andrea Righi

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