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From: Gui Jianfeng <guijianfeng-BthXqXjhjHXQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>
To: KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
	<kamezawa.hiroyu-+CUm20s59erQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/9] io-throttle documentation
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 17:29:25 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <49E84BF5.4070604__41331.835758365$1239960860$gmane$org@cn.fujitsu.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090417164351.ea85012d.kamezawa.hiroyu-+CUm20s59erQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>

KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 15:34:53 +0800
> Gui Jianfeng <guijianfeng-BthXqXjhjHXQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> 
>> KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki wrote:
>>> On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 22:21:12 +0200
>>> Andrea Righi <righi.andrea-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> +Example:
>>>> +* Create an association between an io-throttle group and a bio-cgroup group
>>>> +  with "bio" and "blockio" subsystems mounted in different mount points:
>>>> +  # mount -t cgroup -o bio bio-cgroup /mnt/bio-cgroup/
>>>> +  # cd /mnt/bio-cgroup/
>>>> +  # mkdir bio-grp
>>>> +  # cat bio-grp/bio.id
>>>> +  1
>>>> +  # mount -t cgroup -o blockio blockio /mnt/io-throttle
>>>> +  # cd /mnt/io-throttle
>>>> +  # mkdir foo
>>>> +  # echo 1 > foo/blockio.bio_id
>>> Why do we need multiple cgroups at once to track I/O ?
>>> Seems complicated to me.
>>   Hi Kamezawa-san,
>>
>>   The original thought to implement this function is for sharing a bio-cgroup
>>   with other subsystems, such as dm-ioband. If the bio-cgroup is already mounted,
>>   and used by dm-ioband or others, we just need to create a association between 
>>   io-throttle and bio-cgroup by echo a bio-cgroup id, just like what dm-ioband does.
>>
> 
> - Why we need multiple I/O controller ? 
> - Why bio-cgroup cannot be a _pure_ infrastructe as page_cgroup ?
> - Why we need extra mount ?
> 
> I have no answer but, IMHO, 
>  - only one I/O controller should be enabled at once.
>  - bio cgroup should be tightly coupled with I/O controller and should work as
>    infrastructure i.e. naming/tagging I/O should be automatically done by
>    I/O controller. not by the user's hand.

  It seems dm-ioband has to make use of bio-cgroup by the user's hand. Because dm-ioband
  is not cgroup based. :(

  Is that possible that another subsystem(not cgroup based, and not an IO Controller) also 
  would like to use bio-cgroup in the future? There's no such case at least now, so i don't 
  object to get rid of this part. :)

> 
> Thanks,
> -Kame
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

-- 
Regards
Gui Jianfeng

  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-04-17  9:29 UTC|newest]

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2009-04-14 20:21 [PATCH 0/9] cgroup: io-throttle controller (v13) Andrea Righi
     [not found] ` <1239740480-28125-1-git-send-email-righi.andrea-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-14 20:21   ` [PATCH 1/9] io-throttle documentation Andrea Righi
2009-04-14 20:21     ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-17  1:24     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-04-17  1:56       ` Li Zefan
2009-04-17 10:25         ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-17 10:41           ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-17 10:41           ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-17 11:35           ` Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2009-04-17 11:35           ` Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2009-04-20  9:38           ` Ryo Tsuruta
2009-04-20  9:38           ` Ryo Tsuruta
     [not found]             ` <20090420.183815.226804723.ryov-jCdQPDEk3idL9jVzuh4AOg@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-20 15:00               ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-20 15:00             ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-27 10:45               ` Ryo Tsuruta
2009-04-27 12:15                 ` Ryo Tsuruta
     [not found]                 ` <20090427.194533.183037823.ryov-jCdQPDEk3idL9jVzuh4AOg@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-27 12:15                   ` Ryo Tsuruta
2009-04-27 21:56                   ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-27 21:56                     ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-27 10:45               ` Ryo Tsuruta
     [not found]         ` <49E7E1CF.6060209-BthXqXjhjHXQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-17 10:25           ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-17  7:34       ` Gui Jianfeng
2009-04-17  7:43         ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-04-17  9:29           ` Gui Jianfeng
     [not found]           ` <20090417164351.ea85012d.kamezawa.hiroyu-+CUm20s59erQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-17  9:29             ` Gui Jianfeng [this message]
     [not found]         ` <49E8311D.5030901-BthXqXjhjHXQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-17  7:43           ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
     [not found]       ` <20090417102417.88a0ef93.kamezawa.hiroyu-+CUm20s59erQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-17  1:56         ` Li Zefan
2009-04-17  7:34         ` Gui Jianfeng
2009-04-17  9:55         ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-17  9:55       ` Andrea Righi
     [not found]     ` <1239740480-28125-2-git-send-email-righi.andrea-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-17  1:24       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-04-17 17:39       ` Vivek Goyal
2009-04-17 17:39         ` Vivek Goyal
2009-04-17 23:12         ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-19 13:42           ` Vivek Goyal
2009-04-19 13:42             ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]             ` <20090419134201.GF8493-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-19 15:47               ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-19 15:47             ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-20 21:28               ` Vivek Goyal
2009-04-20 21:28                 ` Vivek Goyal
2009-04-20 22:05                 ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-21  1:08                   ` Vivek Goyal
2009-04-21  1:08                     ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]                     ` <20090421010846.GA15850-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-21  8:37                       ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-21  8:37                     ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-21 14:23                       ` Vivek Goyal
2009-04-21 14:23                         ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]                         ` <20090421142305.GB22619-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-21 18:29                           ` Vivek Goyal
2009-04-21 18:29                             ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]                             ` <20090421182958.GF22619-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-21 21:36                               ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-21 21:36                                 ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-21 21:28                           ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-21 21:28                         ` Andrea Righi
     [not found]                 ` <20090420212827.GA9080-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-20 22:05                   ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-19 13:54           ` Vivek Goyal
2009-04-19 13:54             ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]         ` <20090417173955.GF29086-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-17 23:12           ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-14 20:21   ` [PATCH 2/9] res_counter: introduce ratelimiting attributes Andrea Righi
2009-04-14 20:21     ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-14 20:21   ` [PATCH 3/9] bio-cgroup controller Andrea Righi
2009-04-14 20:21     ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-15  2:15     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-04-15  9:37       ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-15 12:38         ` Ryo Tsuruta
     [not found]           ` <20090415.213850.226770691.ryov-jCdQPDEk3idL9jVzuh4AOg@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-15 13:23             ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-15 13:23           ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-15 23:58             ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-04-15 23:58             ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-04-16 10:42               ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-16 12:00                 ` Ryo Tsuruta
2009-04-16 12:00                 ` Ryo Tsuruta
2009-04-17  0:04                 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-04-17  9:44                   ` Andrea Righi
     [not found]                   ` <20090417090451.5ad9022f.kamezawa.hiroyu-+CUm20s59erQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-17  9:44                     ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-17  0:04                 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
     [not found]               ` <20090416085814.8b6d077f.kamezawa.hiroyu-+CUm20s59erQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-16 10:42                 ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-15 12:38         ` Ryo Tsuruta
2009-04-15 13:07       ` Andrea Righi
     [not found]       ` <20090415111528.b796519a.kamezawa.hiroyu-+CUm20s59erQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-15  9:37         ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-15 13:07         ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-16 22:29     ` Andrew Morton
2009-04-17  0:20       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
     [not found]         ` <20090417092040.1c832c69.kamezawa.hiroyu-+CUm20s59erQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-17  0:44           ` Andrew Morton
2009-04-17  0:44             ` Andrew Morton
2009-04-17  1:44             ` Ryo Tsuruta
2009-04-17  4:15               ` Andrew Morton
     [not found]                 ` <20090416211514.038c5e91.akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-17  7:48                   ` Ryo Tsuruta
2009-04-17  7:48                 ` Ryo Tsuruta
     [not found]               ` <20090417.104432.193700511.ryov-jCdQPDEk3idL9jVzuh4AOg@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-17  4:15                 ` Andrew Morton
2009-04-17  1:50             ` Balbir Singh
     [not found]             ` <20090416174428.6bb5da21.akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-17  1:44               ` Ryo Tsuruta
2009-04-17  1:50               ` Balbir Singh
     [not found]       ` <20090416152937.b2188370.akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-17  0:20         ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-04-17  9:40         ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-17  9:40       ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-17  1:49     ` Takuya Yoshikawa
2009-04-17  2:24       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
     [not found]         ` <20090417112433.085ed604.kamezawa.hiroyu-+CUm20s59erQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-17  7:22           ` Ryo Tsuruta
2009-04-17  7:22         ` Ryo Tsuruta
2009-04-17  8:00           ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
     [not found]             ` <20090417170016.5c7268f1.kamezawa.hiroyu-+CUm20s59erQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-17  8:48               ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-04-17  8:48             ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
     [not found]               ` <20090417174854.07aeec9f.kamezawa.hiroyu-+CUm20s59erQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-17  8:51                 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-04-17  8:51               ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
     [not found]           ` <20090417.162201.183038478.ryov-jCdQPDEk3idL9jVzuh4AOg@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-17  8:00             ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-04-17 11:27             ` Block I/O tracking (was Re: [PATCH 3/9] bio-cgroup controller) Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2009-04-17 11:27           ` Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2009-04-17 22:09             ` Andrea Righi
     [not found]             ` <49E8679D.8010405-gVGce1chcLdL9jVzuh4AOg@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-17 22:09               ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-17  7:32       ` [PATCH 3/9] bio-cgroup controller Ryo Tsuruta
     [not found]       ` <49E7E037.9080004-gVGce1chcLdL9jVzuh4AOg@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-17  2:24         ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-04-17  7:32         ` Ryo Tsuruta
2009-04-17 10:22     ` Balbir Singh
     [not found]       ` <20090417102214.GC3896-SINUvgVNF2CyUtPGxGje5AC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-20 11:35         ` Ryo Tsuruta
2009-04-20 11:35       ` Ryo Tsuruta
     [not found]         ` <20090420.203540.104031006.ryov-jCdQPDEk3idL9jVzuh4AOg@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-20 14:56           ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-20 14:56         ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-21 11:39           ` Ryo Tsuruta
2009-04-21 11:39           ` Ryo Tsuruta
2009-04-21 15:31           ` Balbir Singh
2009-04-21 15:31           ` Balbir Singh
     [not found]     ` <1239740480-28125-4-git-send-email-righi.andrea-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-15  2:15       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-04-16 22:29       ` Andrew Morton
2009-04-17  1:49       ` Takuya Yoshikawa
2009-04-17 10:22       ` Balbir Singh
2009-04-14 20:21   ` [PATCH 4/9] support checking of cgroup subsystem dependencies Andrea Righi
2009-04-14 20:21   ` [PATCH 5/9] io-throttle controller infrastructure Andrea Righi
2009-04-14 20:21   ` [PATCH 6/9] kiothrottled: throttle buffered (writeback) IO Andrea Righi
2009-04-14 20:21     ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-14 20:21   ` [PATCH 7/9] io-throttle instrumentation Andrea Righi
2009-04-14 20:21     ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-14 20:21   ` [PATCH 8/9] export per-task io-throttle statistics to userspace Andrea Righi
2009-04-14 20:21     ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-14 20:21   ` [PATCH 9/9] ext3: do not throttle metadata and journal IO Andrea Righi
2009-04-14 20:21     ` Andrea Righi
     [not found]     ` <1239740480-28125-10-git-send-email-righi.andrea-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-17 12:38       ` Theodore Tso
2009-04-17 12:38     ` Theodore Tso
2009-04-17 12:50       ` Jens Axboe
     [not found]         ` <20090417125004.GY4593-tSWWG44O7X1aa/9Udqfwiw@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-17 14:39           ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-17 14:39         ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-21  0:18           ` Theodore Tso
2009-04-21  8:30             ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-21 14:06               ` Theodore Tso
2009-04-21 14:31                 ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-21 16:35                   ` Theodore Tso
     [not found]                     ` <20090421163537.GI19186-3s7WtUTddSA@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-21 17:23                       ` Balbir Singh
2009-04-21 17:23                     ` Balbir Singh
     [not found]                       ` <20090421172317.GM19637-SINUvgVNF2CyUtPGxGje5AC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-21 17:46                         ` Theodore Tso
2009-04-21 17:46                       ` Theodore Tso
     [not found]                         ` <20090421174620.GD15541-3s7WtUTddSA@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-21 18:14                           ` Balbir Singh
2009-04-21 18:14                         ` Balbir Singh
2009-04-21 19:14                           ` Theodore Tso
     [not found]                             ` <20090421191401.GF15541-3s7WtUTddSA@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-21 20:49                               ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-22  3:30                               ` Balbir Singh
2009-04-21 20:49                             ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-22  0:33                               ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-04-22  1:21                                 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
     [not found]                                   ` <20090422102153.9aec17b9.kamezawa.hiroyu-+CUm20s59erQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-22 10:22                                     ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-22 10:22                                   ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-23  0:05                                     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-04-23  1:22                                       ` Theodore Tso
     [not found]                                         ` <20090423012254.GZ15541-3s7WtUTddSA@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-23  2:54                                           ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-04-23  2:54                                         ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
     [not found]                                           ` <20090423115419.c493266a.kamezawa.hiroyu-+CUm20s59erQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-23  4:35                                             ` Theodore Tso
2009-04-23  4:35                                           ` Theodore Tso
     [not found]                                             ` <20090423043547.GB2723-3s7WtUTddSA@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-23  4:58                                               ` Andrew Morton
2009-04-23  4:58                                                 ` Andrew Morton
2009-04-23  5:37                                                 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
     [not found]                                                 ` <20090422215825.f83e1b27.akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-23  5:37                                                   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-04-23  9:44                                               ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-24  5:14                                               ` Balbir Singh
2009-04-23  9:44                                             ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-23 12:17                                               ` Theodore Tso
2009-04-23 12:17                                               ` Theodore Tso
     [not found]                                                 ` <20090423121745.GC2723-3s7WtUTddSA@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-23 12:27                                                   ` Theodore Tso
2009-04-23 12:27                                                     ` Theodore Tso
2009-04-23 21:13                                                   ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-23 21:13                                                     ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-24  0:26                                                     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-04-24  0:26                                                     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-04-24  5:14                                             ` Balbir Singh
2009-04-23 10:03                                       ` Andrea Righi
     [not found]                                       ` <20090423090535.ec419269.kamezawa.hiroyu-+CUm20s59erQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-23  1:22                                         ` Theodore Tso
2009-04-23 10:03                                         ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-23  0:05                                     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
     [not found]                                 ` <20090422093349.1ee9ae82.kamezawa.hiroyu-+CUm20s59erQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-22  1:21                                   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-04-22  0:33                               ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-04-22  3:30                             ` Balbir Singh
     [not found]                           ` <20090421181429.GO19637-SINUvgVNF2CyUtPGxGje5AC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-21 19:14                             ` Theodore Tso
2009-04-21 16:35                   ` Theodore Tso
     [not found]                 ` <20090421140631.GF19186-3s7WtUTddSA@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-21 14:31                   ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-24 15:10                   ` Balbir Singh
2009-04-24 15:10                 ` Balbir Singh
2009-04-21 14:06               ` Theodore Tso
     [not found]             ` <20090421001822.GB19186-3s7WtUTddSA@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-21  8:30               ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-21  0:18           ` Theodore Tso
     [not found]       ` <20090417123805.GC7117-3s7WtUTddSA@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-17 12:50         ` Jens Axboe
2009-04-16 22:24   ` [PATCH 0/9] cgroup: io-throttle controller (v13) Andrew Morton
2009-04-16 22:24     ` Andrew Morton
     [not found]     ` <20090416152433.aaaba300.akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-17  9:37       ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-17  9:37         ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-30 13:20   ` Alan D. Brunelle
2009-04-14 20:21 ` [PATCH 4/9] support checking of cgroup subsystem dependencies Andrea Righi
2009-04-14 20:21 ` [PATCH 5/9] io-throttle controller infrastructure Andrea Righi
2009-04-30 13:20 ` [PATCH 0/9] cgroup: io-throttle controller (v13) Alan D. Brunelle
     [not found]   ` <49F9A5BA.9030100-VXdhtT5mjnY@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-01 11:11     ` Andrea Righi
2009-05-01 11:11   ` Andrea Righi

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