* Re: realtime kernel for Debian
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@ 2009-03-29 18:28 ` Grammostola Rosea
2009-03-29 18:55 ` Uwe Kleine-König
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From: Grammostola Rosea @ 2009-03-29 18:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Debian Developers; +Cc: pkg-multimedia-maintainers, rt-users
Grammostola Rosea wrote:
> Andreas Tille wrote:
>> On Sat, 28 Mar 2009, Cassiel wrote:
>>
>>> debian stable aims to production servers,
>>
>> That's wrong. Debian stable aims at production systems. If your
>> arguing would be true I wonder why stable contains applications like
>> Openoffice.org or audio players or ...
>>
>>> IMO multimedia users can/should live with
>>> testing without any fear of system crashes and security updates.
>>
>> I guess there are multimedia users out there who care much about a
>> stable system, reproducible results and have to earn some money from
>> their work - so they do not want to deal with unforseable changes.
>> Please do not advertise testing as a release which is ready for
>> users. (Yes, I admit I use testing in the way you describe - but
>> *I* know what I'm doing.)
>>
>>
> But is not that big problem to install two kernels? One, the default
> Lenny kernel and an RT kernel from testing?
>
To get some progress here, I'm searching for a person who wants and is
capable in filing a wishlist bug (with a patch vs. the package linux-2.6
thanks in advance,
\r
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* Re: realtime kernel for Debian
2009-03-29 18:28 ` realtime kernel for Debian Grammostola Rosea
@ 2009-03-29 18:55 ` Uwe Kleine-König
2009-03-29 19:01 ` Grammostola Rosea
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From: Uwe Kleine-König @ 2009-03-29 18:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Grammostola Rosea; +Cc: Debian Developers, pkg-multimedia-maintainers, rt-users
Hello,
>>> I guess there are multimedia users out there who care much about a
>>> stable system, reproducible results and have to earn some money from
>>> their work - so they do not want to deal with unforseable changes.
>>> Please do not advertise testing as a release which is ready for
>>> users. (Yes, I admit I use testing in the way you describe - but
>>> *I* know what I'm doing.)
>>>
>>>
>> But is not that big problem to install two kernels? One, the default
>> Lenny kernel and an RT kernel from testing?
>>
> To get some progress here, I'm searching for a person who wants and is
> capable in filing a wishlist bug (with a patch vs. the package linux-2.6
Maybe providing a patch package is a better first step?
Best regards
Uwe
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* Re: realtime kernel for Debian
2009-03-29 18:55 ` Uwe Kleine-König
@ 2009-03-29 19:01 ` Grammostola Rosea
2009-03-29 19:56 ` Uwe Kleine-König
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From: Grammostola Rosea @ 2009-03-29 19:01 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: debian-devel; +Cc: Debian Developers, pkg-multimedia-maintainers, rt-users
Uwe Kleine-König wrote:
> Hello,
>
>
>>>> I guess there are multimedia users out there who care much about a
>>>> stable system, reproducible results and have to earn some money from
>>>> their work - so they do not want to deal with unforseable changes.
>>>> Please do not advertise testing as a release which is ready for
>>>> users. (Yes, I admit I use testing in the way you describe - but
>>>> *I* know what I'm doing.)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> But is not that big problem to install two kernels? One, the default
>>> Lenny kernel and an RT kernel from testing?
>>>
>>>
>> To get some progress here, I'm searching for a person who wants and is
>> capable in filing a wishlist bug (with a patch vs. the package linux-2.6
>>
> Maybe providing a patch package is a better first step?
>
thanks for thinking. Who could provide such a patch package?
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* Re: realtime kernel for Debian
2009-03-29 19:01 ` Grammostola Rosea
@ 2009-03-29 19:56 ` Uwe Kleine-König
2009-03-30 8:22 ` Alexander Reichle-Schmehl
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From: Uwe Kleine-König @ 2009-03-29 19:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Grammostola Rosea; +Cc: Debian Developers, pkg-multimedia-maintainers, rt-users
Hello,
[your To: header was strange, maybe my mail reaches less recipents than
your's]
>>> To get some progress here, I'm searching for a person who wants and
>>> is capable in filing a wishlist bug (with a patch vs. the package
>>> linux-2.6
>>>
>> Maybe providing a patch package is a better first step?
>>
> thanks for thinking. Who could provide such a patch package?
I can. I'd need a sponsor, though. I know two Debian developers, I
will ask them.
The patch on top of Debian's 2.6.29 is already made[1]---I just merged
v2.6.29-rt1 and Debian's tree.
Best regards
Uwe
[1] Available in my git repo at
git://git.pengutronix.de/git/ukl/linux-2.6.git debian-rt
or browsable at:
http://git.pengutronix.de/?p=ukl/linux-2.6.git;a=shortlog;h=debian-rt
The actual diff is at:
http://git.pengutronix.de/?p=ukl/linux-2.6.git;a=commitdiff;h=debian-rt;hp=debian/v2.6.29
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* Re: realtime kernel for Debian
2009-03-29 19:56 ` Uwe Kleine-König
@ 2009-03-30 8:22 ` Alexander Reichle-Schmehl
2009-03-30 15:13 ` Uwe Kleine-König
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From: Alexander Reichle-Schmehl @ 2009-03-30 8:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Uwe Kleine-König
Cc: Grammostola Rosea, Debian Developers, pkg-multimedia-maintainers,
rt-users
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Hi!
Uwe Kleine-König schrieb:
> [your To: header was strange, maybe my mail reaches less recipents than
> your's]
Well, at least it reached me ;)
>>> Maybe providing a patch package is a better first step?
>> thanks for thinking. Who could provide such a patch package?
> I can. I'd need a sponsor, though. I know two Debian developers, I
> will ask them.
Willing to sponsor as soon as you've got a package to test ready.
Best regards,
Alexander
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* Re: realtime kernel for Debian
2009-03-30 8:22 ` Alexander Reichle-Schmehl
@ 2009-03-30 15:13 ` Uwe Kleine-König
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From: Uwe Kleine-König @ 2009-03-30 15:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Alexander Reichle-Schmehl
Cc: Grammostola Rosea, Debian Developers, pkg-multimedia-maintainers,
rt-users
Hi Alexander,
On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 10:22:02AM +0200, Alexander Reichle-Schmehl wrote:
> Hi!
>
> Uwe Kleine-König schrieb:
>
> > [your To: header was strange, maybe my mail reaches less recipents than
> > your's]
>
> Well, at least it reached me ;)
>
> >>> Maybe providing a patch package is a better first step?
> >> thanks for thinking. Who could provide such a patch package?
> > I can. I'd need a sponsor, though. I know two Debian developers, I
> > will ask them.
>
> Willing to sponsor as soon as you've got a package to test ready.
Great thanks. I plan to package rt-tests, too. Maybe you can sponser
that, too?
Expect me to contact you via irc to go into details.
Best regards
Uwe
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* Re: realtime kernel for Debian
[not found] ` <4A09CEBC.70207@gmail.com>
@ 2009-05-13 9:35 ` Uwe Kleine-König
2009-06-04 9:28 ` Grammostola Rosea
2009-10-02 20:20 ` Uwe Kleine-König
0 siblings, 2 replies; 10+ messages in thread
From: Uwe Kleine-König @ 2009-05-13 9:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Grammostola Rosea
Cc: Debian Developers, pkg-multimedia-maintainers, linux-rt-users, 521893
Hi,
>>> I was wondering about how far are we with implementing a RT kernel in
>>> Debian... Some progress here? Would be nice.
>>>
>> The patch I created that "fits" on Debian's vanilla kernel creates
>> conflicts on the sources with the Debian patches.
>> I hope to be able to clean that up by minimizing the -rt series (e.g.
>> the first broken out patch consists usually of various bits from the
>> -tip tree that are (AFAIK) not all needed.)
>>
>> So just have some more patience.
>>
>>
> How are things going? Just interest...
Hhhm, well, I spottet a problem. The thing is that linux-rt does many
deep changes in the kernel and I won't be able to support the harder
problems. And upstream probably won't help because the Debian rt-kernel
isn't a vanilla rt-kernel. Moreover even the broken out rt-patch isn't
nicely sorted (e.g. bisectable, some patches undo changes of other
patches earier in the series etc. pp), so I fear the Debian kernel team
isn't filled with enthusiasm when asked to add an rt variant.
I already thought about packaging debian-kernel + rt for Debian and
vanilla-kernel + rt for a non-Debian package repository such that it's
easy for bug reporters to try out a vanilla kernel. But that still needs
more work.
I currently investigate how the Debian kernel packages are created. Any
help is welcome. Probably the first step will be to create a vanilla-rt
package, but that wont be accepted to go into Debian main.
Best regards
Uwe
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* Re: realtime kernel for Debian
2009-05-13 9:35 ` Uwe Kleine-König
@ 2009-06-04 9:28 ` Grammostola Rosea
2009-10-02 20:20 ` Uwe Kleine-König
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From: Grammostola Rosea @ 2009-06-04 9:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Uwe Kleine-König; +Cc: Debian Developers, linux-rt-users, 521893
Uwe Kleine-König wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
>>>> I was wondering about how far are we with implementing a RT kernel in
>>>> Debian... Some progress here? Would be nice.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> The patch I created that "fits" on Debian's vanilla kernel creates
>>> conflicts on the sources with the Debian patches.
>>> I hope to be able to clean that up by minimizing the -rt series (e.g.
>>> the first broken out patch consists usually of various bits from the
>>> -tip tree that are (AFAIK) not all needed.)
>>>
>>> So just have some more patience.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> How are things going? Just interest...
>>
> Hhhm, well, I spottet a problem. The thing is that linux-rt does many
> deep changes in the kernel and I won't be able to support the harder
> problems. And upstream probably won't help because the Debian rt-kernel
> isn't a vanilla rt-kernel. Moreover even the broken out rt-patch isn't
> nicely sorted (e.g. bisectable, some patches undo changes of other
> patches earier in the series etc. pp), so I fear the Debian kernel team
> isn't filled with enthusiasm when asked to add an rt variant.
>
> I already thought about packaging debian-kernel + rt for Debian and
> vanilla-kernel + rt for a non-Debian package repository such that it's
> easy for bug reporters to try out a vanilla kernel. But that still needs
> more work.
>
> I currently investigate how the Debian kernel packages are created. Any
> help is welcome. Probably the first step will be to create a vanilla-rt
> package, but that wont be accepted to go into Debian main.
>
>
Just trying to keep thinks a bit alive here ;)
How are things going Uwe?
Kind regards,
\r
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* Re: realtime kernel for Debian
2009-05-13 9:35 ` Uwe Kleine-König
2009-06-04 9:28 ` Grammostola Rosea
@ 2009-10-02 20:20 ` Uwe Kleine-König
2009-10-02 21:04 ` rosea grammostola
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From: Uwe Kleine-König @ 2009-10-02 20:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Grammostola Rosea
Cc: Debian Developers, pkg-multimedia-maintainers, linux-rt-users, 521893
Hello,
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 11:35:17AM +0200, Uwe Kleine-König wrote:
> Hi,
>
> >>> I was wondering about how far are we with implementing a RT kernel in
> >>> Debian... Some progress here? Would be nice.
> >>>
> >> The patch I created that "fits" on Debian's vanilla kernel creates
> >> conflicts on the sources with the Debian patches.
> >> I hope to be able to clean that up by minimizing the -rt series (e.g.
> >> the first broken out patch consists usually of various bits from the
> >> -tip tree that are (AFAIK) not all needed.)
> >>
> >> So just have some more patience.
> >>
> >>
> > How are things going? Just interest...
> Hhhm, well, I spottet a problem. The thing is that linux-rt does many
> deep changes in the kernel and I won't be able to support the harder
> problems. And upstream probably won't help because the Debian rt-kernel
> isn't a vanilla rt-kernel. Moreover even the broken out rt-patch isn't
> nicely sorted (e.g. bisectable, some patches undo changes of other
> patches earier in the series etc. pp), so I fear the Debian kernel team
> isn't filled with enthusiasm when asked to add an rt variant.
>
> I already thought about packaging debian-kernel + rt for Debian and
> vanilla-kernel + rt for a non-Debian package repository such that it's
> easy for bug reporters to try out a vanilla kernel. But that still needs
> more work.
OK, the vanilla-kernel + rt is done. See
http://mid.gmane.org/20090926171218.GD13150@pengutronix.de
for an announcment and
http://www.pengutronix.de/software/linux-rt/debian_en.html
for the documentation how to install it.
Best regards
Uwe
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* Re: realtime kernel for Debian
2009-10-02 20:20 ` Uwe Kleine-König
@ 2009-10-02 21:04 ` rosea grammostola
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From: rosea grammostola @ 2009-10-02 21:04 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Uwe Kleine-König
Cc: Debian Developers, pkg-multimedia-maintainers, linux-rt-users, 521893
Uwe Kleine-König wrote:
> Hello,
>
> On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 11:35:17AM +0200, Uwe Kleine-König wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>>>>> I was wondering about how far are we with implementing a RT kernel in
>>>>> Debian... Some progress here? Would be nice.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> The patch I created that "fits" on Debian's vanilla kernel creates
>>>> conflicts on the sources with the Debian patches.
>>>> I hope to be able to clean that up by minimizing the -rt series (e.g.
>>>> the first broken out patch consists usually of various bits from the
>>>> -tip tree that are (AFAIK) not all needed.)
>>>>
>>>> So just have some more patience.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> How are things going? Just interest...
>>>
>> Hhhm, well, I spottet a problem. The thing is that linux-rt does many
>> deep changes in the kernel and I won't be able to support the harder
>> problems. And upstream probably won't help because the Debian rt-kernel
>> isn't a vanilla rt-kernel. Moreover even the broken out rt-patch isn't
>> nicely sorted (e.g. bisectable, some patches undo changes of other
>> patches earier in the series etc. pp), so I fear the Debian kernel team
>> isn't filled with enthusiasm when asked to add an rt variant.
>>
>> I already thought about packaging debian-kernel + rt for Debian and
>> vanilla-kernel + rt for a non-Debian package repository such that it's
>> easy for bug reporters to try out a vanilla kernel. But that still needs
>> more work.
>>
> OK, the vanilla-kernel + rt is done. See
>
> http://mid.gmane.org/20090926171218.GD13150@pengutronix.de
>
> for an announcment and
>
> http://www.pengutronix.de/software/linux-rt/debian_en.html
>
> for the documentation how to install it.
Looks like this is great news! Thanks for your time and effort Uwe!
\r
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