Linux wireless mini-summit -- Berlin, June 2009

Linux wireless mini-summit -- Berlin, June 2009

[John W. Linville]

Greetings,

As you may know, we are planning on having a wireless summit meeting
in Berlin, Germany this June.  This meeting is in cooperation with
the Fedora FUDCon event, which will be accomodating us under the
guise of a "hackfest".  This event also overlaps (and co-locates)
with LinuxTag 2009.  Details are available here:

	https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Berlin_2009

FUDCon's are typically self-organizing under the BarCamp model.
However, I have secured a promise that we will be allocated space
for 1-2 dozen people on at least Friday 26 June and Saturday 27 June
for our wireless event.  I personally encourage everyone not only to
attend LinuxTag but also to participate in the rest of FUDCon!

So, here I open the floor for discussion of agenda items for our
wireless meeting/hackfest.  What do we think is important to discuss
face-to-face this year?  What isn't getting done?  What is getting
done wrong?  What do we need that we didn't realize last year?

Also, please consider making some sort of prepared presentation.
Especially welcome would be topics that are accessible to those
outside of the core wireless developer group, such as current
projects on enhancing IBSS support, extended power savings, or any
other user-visible topic.  I'll be happy to take such proposals in
private email or you can post them as part of this thread.

Hopefully this gets the discussion started...please comment!

John

P.S.  We are also planning a meeting in Portland this September for
those unable or unwilling to travel outside of North America for
whatever reason -- stay tuned.
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Linux wireless mini-summit -- Berlin, June 2009

[John W. Linville]

Greetings,

As you may know, we are planning on having a wireless summit meeting
in Berlin, Germany this June.  This meeting is in cooperation with
the Fedora FUDCon event, which will be accomodating us under the
guise of a "hackfest".  This event also overlaps (and co-locates)
with LinuxTag 2009.  Details are available here:

	https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Berlin_2009

FUDCon's are typically self-organizing under the BarCamp model.
However, I have secured a promise that we will be allocated space
for 1-2 dozen people on at least Friday 26 June and Saturday 27 June
for our wireless event.  I personally encourage everyone not only to
attend LinuxTag but also to participate in the rest of FUDCon!

So, here I open the floor for discussion of agenda items for our
wireless meeting/hackfest.  What do we think is important to discuss
face-to-face this year?  What isn't getting done?  What is getting
done wrong?  What do we need that we didn't realize last year?

Also, please consider making some sort of prepared presentation.
Especially welcome would be topics that are accessible to those
outside of the core wireless developer group, such as current
projects on enhancing IBSS support, extended power savings, or any
other user-visible topic.  I'll be happy to take such proposals in
private email or you can post them as part of this thread.

Hopefully this gets the discussion started...please comment!

John

P.S.  We are also planning a meeting in Portland this September for
those unable or unwilling to travel outside of North America for
whatever reason -- stay tuned.
-- 
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Re: Linux wireless mini-summit -- Berlin, June 2009

[Kalle Valo]

"John W. Linville" <linville@tuxdriver.com> writes:

> So, here I open the floor for discussion of agenda items for our
> wireless meeting/hackfest.  What do we think is important to discuss
> face-to-face this year?  What isn't getting done?  What is getting
> done wrong?  What do we need that we didn't realize last year?
>
> Also, please consider making some sort of prepared presentation.
> Especially welcome would be topics that are accessible to those
> outside of the core wireless developer group, such as current
> projects on enhancing IBSS support, extended power savings, or any
> other user-visible topic.  I'll be happy to take such proposals in
> private email or you can post them as part of this thread.

I could talk about power save and have a small presentation about it.
Only problem is that I'm not yet sure I'm able to come. It will take few
weeks before I know that :(

-- 
Kalle Valo

Re: Linux wireless mini-summit -- Berlin, June 2009

[Rami Rosen]

Hello,

I believe that 802.11n implementation and design in the Linux Wireless =
stack
can be of interest/good to include (also 802.11n Linux future direction=
s ).

Currently packet aggregation is implemented only with the ath9k and iwl=
wifi
mac80211 drivers (there are vendors who have non-native 802.11n
drivers as well).
Packet aggregation details (ampdu and amsdu RX) seems to me to be of in=
terest
(especially considering that there are chances of confirming the 802.11=
n spec at
the end of this year).

Regards,
Rami Rosen


On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 9:27 PM, John W. Linville <linville@tuxdriver.co=
m> wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> As you may know, we are planning on having a wireless summit meeting
> in Berlin, Germany this June. =A0This meeting is in cooperation with
> the Fedora FUDCon event, which will be accomodating us under the
> guise of a "hackfest". =A0This event also overlaps (and co-locates)
> with LinuxTag 2009. =A0Details are available here:
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Berlin_2009
>
> FUDCon's are typically self-organizing under the BarCamp model.
> However, I have secured a promise that we will be allocated space
> for 1-2 dozen people on at least Friday 26 June and Saturday 27 June
> for our wireless event. =A0I personally encourage everyone not only t=
o
> attend LinuxTag but also to participate in the rest of FUDCon!
>
> So, here I open the floor for discussion of agenda items for our
> wireless meeting/hackfest. =A0What do we think is important to discus=
s
> face-to-face this year? =A0What isn't getting done? =A0What is gettin=
g
> done wrong? =A0What do we need that we didn't realize last year?
>
> Also, please consider making some sort of prepared presentation.
> Especially welcome would be topics that are accessible to those
> outside of the core wireless developer group, such as current
> projects on enhancing IBSS support, extended power savings, or any
> other user-visible topic. =A0I'll be happy to take such proposals in
> private email or you can post them as part of this thread.
>
> Hopefully this gets the discussion started...please comment!
>
> John
>
> P.S. =A0We are also planning a meeting in Portland this September for
> those unable or unwilling to travel outside of North America for
> whatever reason -- stay tuned.
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Re: Linux wireless mini-summit -- Berlin, June 2009

[Rami Rosen]

Hello,

I believe that 802.11n implementation and design in the Linux Wireless stack
can be of interest/good to include (also 802.11n Linux future directions ).

Currently packet aggregation is implemented only with the ath9k and iwlwifi
mac80211 drivers (there are vendors who have non-native 802.11n
drivers as well).
Packet aggregation details (ampdu and amsdu RX) seems to me to be of interest
(especially considering that there are chances of confirming the 802.11n spec at
the end of this year).

Regards,
Rami Rosen


On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 9:27 PM, John W. Linville <linville@tuxdriver.com> wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> As you may know, we are planning on having a wireless summit meeting
> in Berlin, Germany this June.  This meeting is in cooperation with
> the Fedora FUDCon event, which will be accomodating us under the
> guise of a "hackfest".  This event also overlaps (and co-locates)
> with LinuxTag 2009.  Details are available here:
>
>        https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Berlin_2009
>
> FUDCon's are typically self-organizing under the BarCamp model.
> However, I have secured a promise that we will be allocated space
> for 1-2 dozen people on at least Friday 26 June and Saturday 27 June
> for our wireless event.  I personally encourage everyone not only to
> attend LinuxTag but also to participate in the rest of FUDCon!
>
> So, here I open the floor for discussion of agenda items for our
> wireless meeting/hackfest.  What do we think is important to discuss
> face-to-face this year?  What isn't getting done?  What is getting
> done wrong?  What do we need that we didn't realize last year?
>
> Also, please consider making some sort of prepared presentation.
> Especially welcome would be topics that are accessible to those
> outside of the core wireless developer group, such as current
> projects on enhancing IBSS support, extended power savings, or any
> other user-visible topic.  I'll be happy to take such proposals in
> private email or you can post them as part of this thread.
>
> Hopefully this gets the discussion started...please comment!
>
> John
>
> P.S.  We are also planning a meeting in Portland this September for
> those unable or unwilling to travel outside of North America for
> whatever reason -- stay tuned.
> --
> John W. Linville                Someday the world will need a hero, and you
> linville@tuxdriver.com                  might be all we have.  Be ready.
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Re: Linux wireless mini-summit -- Berlin, June 2009

[Rami Rosen]

Hello,

I believe that 802.11n implementation and design in the Linux Wireless stack
can be of interest/good to include (also 802.11n Linux future directions ).

Currently packet aggregation is implemented only with the ath9k and iwlwifi
mac80211 drivers (there are vendors who have non-native 802.11n
drivers as well).
Packet aggregation details (ampdu and amsdu RX) seems to me to be of interest
(especially considering that there are chances of confirming the 802.11n spec at
the end of this year).

Regards,
Rami Rosen


On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 9:27 PM, John W. Linville <linville-2XuSBdqkA4SvXiR4WA35Jg@public.gmane.orgm> wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> As you may know, we are planning on having a wireless summit meeting
> in Berlin, Germany this June.  This meeting is in cooperation with
> the Fedora FUDCon event, which will be accomodating us under the
> guise of a "hackfest".  This event also overlaps (and co-locates)
> with LinuxTag 2009.  Details are available here:
>
>        https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Berlin_2009
>
> FUDCon's are typically self-organizing under the BarCamp model.
> However, I have secured a promise that we will be allocated space
> for 1-2 dozen people on at least Friday 26 June and Saturday 27 June
> for our wireless event.  I personally encourage everyone not only to
> attend LinuxTag but also to participate in the rest of FUDCon!
>
> So, here I open the floor for discussion of agenda items for our
> wireless meeting/hackfest.  What do we think is important to discuss
> face-to-face this year?  What isn't getting done?  What is getting
> done wrong?  What do we need that we didn't realize last year?
>
> Also, please consider making some sort of prepared presentation.
> Especially welcome would be topics that are accessible to those
> outside of the core wireless developer group, such as current
> projects on enhancing IBSS support, extended power savings, or any
> other user-visible topic.  I'll be happy to take such proposals in
> private email or you can post them as part of this thread.
>
> Hopefully this gets the discussion started...please comment!
>
> John
>
> P.S.  We are also planning a meeting in Portland this September for
> those unable or unwilling to travel outside of North America for
> whatever reason -- stay tuned.
> --
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Re: Linux wireless mini-summit -- Berlin, June 2009

[Johannes Berg]

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On Sun, 2009-04-05 at 13:52 +0300, Rami Rosen wrote:

> I believe that 802.11n implementation and design in the Linux Wireless stack
> can be of interest/good to include (also 802.11n Linux future directions ).

I'll be there unless something weird happens -- anything mac80211
related and especially aggregation (since I rewrote it) I can cover.

johannes

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Re: Linux wireless mini-summit -- Berlin, June 2009

[Johannes Berg]

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On Sun, 2009-04-05 at 13:52 +0300, Rami Rosen wrote:

> I believe that 802.11n implementation and design in the Linux Wireless stack
> can be of interest/good to include (also 802.11n Linux future directions ).

I'll be there unless something weird happens -- anything mac80211
related and especially aggregation (since I rewrote it) I can cover.

johannes

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Re: Linux wireless mini-summit -- Berlin, June 2009

[Mark Ryden]

Hi,
 There is a lot of interest in Linux Wireless around the world.  I
believe that many who cannot attend (like me), will be happy if videos
and slides of the presentations will be available afterwards. (as was
done in other Fedora FUDCon  conferences in the past).

Regards,
Mark


On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 3:03 PM, Johannes Berg <johannes@sipsolutions.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 2009-04-05 at 13:52 +0300, Rami Rosen wrote:
>
>> I believe that 802.11n implementation and design in the Linux Wireless stack
>> can be of interest/good to include (also 802.11n Linux future directions ).
>
> I'll be there unless something weird happens -- anything mac80211
> related and especially aggregation (since I rewrote it) I can cover.
>
> johannes
>

Re: Linux wireless mini-summit -- Berlin, June 2009

[Mark Ryden]

Hi,
 There is a lot of interest in Linux Wireless around the world.  I
believe that many who cannot attend (like me), will be happy if videos
and slides of the presentations will be available afterwards. (as was
done in other Fedora FUDCon  conferences in the past).

Regards,
Mark


On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 3:03 PM, Johannes Berg <johannes-cdvu00un1VgdHxzADdlk8Q@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> On Sun, 2009-04-05 at 13:52 +0300, Rami Rosen wrote:
>
>> I believe that 802.11n implementation and design in the Linux Wireless stack
>> can be of interest/good to include (also 802.11n Linux future directions ).
>
> I'll be there unless something weird happens -- anything mac80211
> related and especially aggregation (since I rewrote it) I can cover.
>
> johannes
>
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Re: Linux wireless mini-summit -- Berlin, June 2009

[Alina Friedrichsen]

Hello,

are there any entry fees for this event?

Regards
Alina

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Re: Linux wireless mini-summit -- Berlin, June 2009

[Johannes Berg]

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Hi,

> Also, please consider making some sort of prepared presentation.
> Especially welcome would be topics that are accessible to those
> outside of the core wireless developer group, such as current
> projects on enhancing IBSS support, extended power savings, or any
> other user-visible topic.  I'll be happy to take such proposals in
> private email or you can post them as part of this thread.

Since I've just booked my train (will arrive 1:30pm or so on the 25th,
leave Sunday [28th] late afternoon), here are some things I could
possibly talk about:

 * status of moving to nl80211/cfg80211 -- overview over new cfg80211
   operations, maybe with Jouni?
 * power saving if Kalle can't make it
 * aggregation/11n support -- fairly technical but I've just rewritten
   things :)
 * maybe some regulatory stuff but Luis really is the expert, unless by
   then I've rewritten it according to my plan ;)

johannes

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Re: Linux wireless mini-summit -- Berlin, June 2009

[Kalle Valo]

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 11:39 PM, Johannes Berg
<johannes@sipsolutions.net> wrote:
> Hi,

Hello,

>> Also, please consider making some sort of prepared presentation.
>> Especially welcome would be topics that are accessible to those
>> outside of the core wireless developer group, such as current
>> projects on enhancing IBSS support, extended power savings, or any
>> other user-visible topic. =A0I'll be happy to take such proposals in
>> private email or you can post them as part of this thread.
>
> Since I've just booked my train (will arrive 1:30pm or so on the 25th=
,
> leave Sunday [28th] late afternoon), here are some things I could
> possibly talk about:
>
> =A0* status of moving to nl80211/cfg80211 -- overview over new cfg802=
11
> =A0 operations, maybe with Jouni?
> =A0* power saving if Kalle can't make it

I can now confirm that I'm joining the summit as well \o/

I will arrive to Berlin on Thursday before noon and will leave on
Sunday evening.

Kalle
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Re: Linux wireless mini-summit -- Berlin, June 2009

[John W. Linville]

On Sun, May 03, 2009 at 11:43:38AM +0300, Kalle Valo wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 11:39 PM, Johannes Berg
> <johannes@sipsolutions.net> wrote:
> > Hi,
>=20
> Hello,
>=20
> >> Also, please consider making some sort of prepared presentation.
> >> Especially welcome would be topics that are accessible to those
> >> outside of the core wireless developer group, such as current
> >> projects on enhancing IBSS support, extended power savings, or any
> >> other user-visible topic. =A0I'll be happy to take such proposals =
in
> >> private email or you can post them as part of this thread.
> >
> > Since I've just booked my train (will arrive 1:30pm or so on the 25=
th,
> > leave Sunday [28th] late afternoon), here are some things I could
> > possibly talk about:
> >
> > =A0* status of moving to nl80211/cfg80211 -- overview over new cfg8=
0211
> > =A0 operations, maybe with Jouni?
> > =A0* power saving if Kalle can't make it
>=20
> I can now confirm that I'm joining the summit as well \o/
>=20
> I will arrive to Berlin on Thursday before noon and will leave on
> Sunday evening.
>=20
> Kalle

Excellent news!  Anyone else?

John
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Re: Linux wireless mini-summit -- Berlin, June 2009

[Stephen Hemminger]

On Mon, 4 May 2009 08:12:21 -0400
"John W. Linville" <linville-2XuSBdqkA4R54TAoqtyWWQ@public.gmane.org> w=
rote:

> On Sun, May 03, 2009 at 11:43:38AM +0300, Kalle Valo wrote:
> > On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 11:39 PM, Johannes Berg
> > <johannes-cdvu00un1VgdHxzADdlk8Q@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> > > Hi,
> >=20
> > Hello,
> >=20
> > >> Also, please consider making some sort of prepared presentation.
> > >> Especially welcome would be topics that are accessible to those
> > >> outside of the core wireless developer group, such as current
> > >> projects on enhancing IBSS support, extended power savings, or a=
ny
> > >> other user-visible topic. =C2=A0I'll be happy to take such propo=
sals in
> > >> private email or you can post them as part of this thread.
> > >
> > > Since I've just booked my train (will arrive 1:30pm or so on the =
25th,
> > > leave Sunday [28th] late afternoon), here are some things I could
> > > possibly talk about:
> > >
> > > =C2=A0* status of moving to nl80211/cfg80211 -- overview over new=
 cfg80211
> > > =C2=A0 operations, maybe with Jouni?
> > > =C2=A0* power saving if Kalle can't make it
> >=20
> > I can now confirm that I'm joining the summit as well \o/
> >=20
> > I will arrive to Berlin on Thursday before noon and will leave on
> > Sunday evening.
> >=20
> > Kalle
>=20
> Excellent news!  Anyone else?
>=20
> John

I am going to be in France during that period. I might make it,=20
but it requires convincing my spouse that Berlin is worth visting.
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Re: Linux wireless mini-summit -- Berlin, June 2009

[Holger Schurig]

> I am going to be in France during that period. I might make
> it, but it requires convincing my spouse that Berlin is worth
> visting. --

It is worth it. You don't have much town in the western 
hemisphere that used have been devided into "social 
capitalimism" vs. "jail-like socialism". Part of "The wall" do 
exist today, or the Checkpoint Charlie.

Look for "Attractions" and "Museums" on 
http://www.berlin.de/international/index.en.php


And if you don't mind driving some kilometers, I'd also recommend 
Castle Sanssouci in Potsdam, 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanssouci 

Re: Linux wireless mini-summit -- Berlin, June 2009

[Marcel Holtmann]

Hi John,

> > >> Also, please consider making some sort of prepared presentation.
> > >> Especially welcome would be topics that are accessible to those
> > >> outside of the core wireless developer group, such as current
> > >> projects on enhancing IBSS support, extended power savings, or any
> > >> other user-visible topic.  I'll be happy to take such proposals in
> > >> private email or you can post them as part of this thread.
> > >
> > > Since I've just booked my train (will arrive 1:30pm or so on the 25th,
> > > leave Sunday [28th] late afternoon), here are some things I could
> > > possibly talk about:
> > >
> > >  * status of moving to nl80211/cfg80211 -- overview over new cfg80211
> > >   operations, maybe with Jouni?
> > >  * power saving if Kalle can't make it
> > 
> > I can now confirm that I'm joining the summit as well \o/
> > 
> > I will arrive to Berlin on Thursday before noon and will leave on
> > Sunday evening.
> > 
> > Kalle
> 
> Excellent news!  Anyone else?

I should make it, too. Still planning the whole trip.

Regards

Marcel

Re: Linux wireless mini-summit -- Berlin, June 2009

[Samuel Ortiz]

Hi John,

On Mon, 2009-05-04 at 08:12 -0400, John W. Linville wrote:
> On Sun, May 03, 2009 at 11:43:38AM +0300, Kalle Valo wrote:
> > On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 11:39 PM, Johannes Berg
> > <johannes@sipsolutions.net> wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > 
> > Hello,
> > 
> > >> Also, please consider making some sort of prepared presentation.
> > >> Especially welcome would be topics that are accessible to those
> > >> outside of the core wireless developer group, such as current
> > >> projects on enhancing IBSS support, extended power savings, or any
> > >> other user-visible topic.  I'll be happy to take such proposals in
> > >> private email or you can post them as part of this thread.
> > >
> > > Since I've just booked my train (will arrive 1:30pm or so on the 25th,
> > > leave Sunday [28th] late afternoon), here are some things I could
> > > possibly talk about:
> > >
> > >  * status of moving to nl80211/cfg80211 -- overview over new cfg80211
> > >   operations, maybe with Jouni?
> > >  * power saving if Kalle can't make it
> > 
> > I can now confirm that I'm joining the summit as well \o/
> > 
> > I will arrive to Berlin on Thursday before noon and will leave on
> > Sunday evening.
> > 
> > Kalle
> 
> Excellent news!  Anyone else?
I will most likely be there as well.

Cheers,
Samuel.


> John

Re: Linux wireless mini-summit -- Berlin, June 2009

[Helmut Schaa]

Am Montag, 4. Mai 2009 schrieb John W. Linville:
> > I will arrive to Berlin on Thursday before noon and will leave on
> > Sunday evening.
>
> Excellent news!  Anyone else?

I plan to be there as well.

Helmut

Re: Linux wireless mini-summit -- Berlin, June 2009

[Johannes Berg]

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> So, here I open the floor for discussion of agenda items for our
> wireless meeting/hackfest.  What do we think is important to discuss
> face-to-face this year?  What isn't getting done?  What is getting
> done wrong?  What do we need that we didn't realize last year?

I've tried to capture the discussion from here on the wiki:

http://wireless.kernel.org/en/developers/Summits/Berlin-2009

Feel free to edit and add suggestions, or put yourself into "confirmed
attendees" (do we want that? it seemed we should say who will be there)
or put yourself into the section with confirmed talks :)

johannes

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Re: Linux wireless mini-summit -- Berlin, June 2009

[Kalle Valo]

On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Johannes Berg
<johannes@sipsolutions.net> wrote:
>
>> So, here I open the floor for discussion of agenda items for our
>> wireless meeting/hackfest. =A0What do we think is important to discu=
ss
>> face-to-face this year? =A0What isn't getting done? =A0What is getti=
ng
>> done wrong? =A0What do we need that we didn't realize last year?
>
> I've tried to capture the discussion from here on the wiki:
>
> http://wireless.kernel.org/en/developers/Summits/Berlin-2009

Good idea.

> Feel free to edit and add suggestions

What about proper roaming support? I think it will be the thing we are
lacking after power save is finished. There was talk about having GSoC
project, what happened to it?

I'm interested about roaming, but I don't how much time if any I can
find for implementing it. But I could make a summary of all
discussions we have had here during the last year and maybe try to
start some discussion at the summit. What others think?

> or put yourself into "confirmed
> attendees" (do we want that? it seemed we should say who will be ther=
e)

It's nice to know in advance who will be there. So yes, at least I
want such a list :)

Kalle
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Re: Linux wireless mini-summit -- Berlin, June 2009

[Kalle Valo]

On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Johannes Berg
<johannes@sipsolutions.net> wrote:
>
>> So, here I open the floor for discussion of agenda items for our
>> wireless meeting/hackfest.  What do we think is important to discuss
>> face-to-face this year?  What isn't getting done?  What is getting
>> done wrong?  What do we need that we didn't realize last year?
>
> I've tried to capture the discussion from here on the wiki:
>
> http://wireless.kernel.org/en/developers/Summits/Berlin-2009

Good idea.

> Feel free to edit and add suggestions

What about proper roaming support? I think it will be the thing we are
lacking after power save is finished. There was talk about having GSoC
project, what happened to it?

I'm interested about roaming, but I don't how much time if any I can
find for implementing it. But I could make a summary of all
discussions we have had here during the last year and maybe try to
start some discussion at the summit. What others think?

> or put yourself into "confirmed
> attendees" (do we want that? it seemed we should say who will be there)

It's nice to know in advance who will be there. So yes, at least I
want such a list :)

Kalle

Re: Linux wireless mini-summit -- Berlin, June 2009

[Johannes Berg]

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> > Feel free to edit and add suggestions
> 
> What about proper roaming support? I think it will be the thing we are
> lacking after power save is finished. There was talk about having GSoC
> project, what happened to it?

That project was not accepted - and we even got three.

> I'm interested about roaming, but I don't how much time if any I can
> find for implementing it. But I could make a summary of all
> discussions we have had here during the last year and maybe try to
> start some discussion at the summit. What others think?

Sounds useful. Helmut will have input too I guess, and he'll be there.

johannes


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Re: Linux wireless mini-summit -- Berlin, June 2009

[Johannes Berg]

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> > Feel free to edit and add suggestions
> 
> What about proper roaming support? I think it will be the thing we are
> lacking after power save is finished. There was talk about having GSoC
> project, what happened to it?

That project was not accepted - and we even got three.

> I'm interested about roaming, but I don't how much time if any I can
> find for implementing it. But I could make a summary of all
> discussions we have had here during the last year and maybe try to
> start some discussion at the summit. What others think?

Sounds useful. Helmut will have input too I guess, and he'll be there.

johannes


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Re: Linux wireless mini-summit -- Berlin, June 2009

[Helmut Schaa]

Am Freitag, 8. Mai 2009 schrieb Johannes Berg:
> 
> > > Feel free to edit and add suggestions
> > 
> > What about proper roaming support? I think it will be the thing we are
> > lacking after power save is finished. There was talk about having GSoC
> > project, what happened to it?
> 
> That project was not accepted - and we even got three.
> 
> > I'm interested about roaming, but I don't how much time if any I can
> > find for implementing it. But I could make a summary of all
> > discussions we have had here during the last year and maybe try to
> > start some discussion at the summit. What others think?
> 
> Sounds useful. Helmut will have input too I guess, and he'll be there.

Yep, a roaming discussion would be great.

Helmut

Re: Linux wireless mini-summit -- Berlin, June 2009

[Helmut Schaa]

Am Freitag, 8. Mai 2009 schrieb Johannes Berg:
> 
> > > Feel free to edit and add suggestions
> > 
> > What about proper roaming support? I think it will be the thing we are
> > lacking after power save is finished. There was talk about having GSoC
> > project, what happened to it?
> 
> That project was not accepted - and we even got three.
> 
> > I'm interested about roaming, but I don't how much time if any I can
> > find for implementing it. But I could make a summary of all
> > discussions we have had here during the last year and maybe try to
> > start some discussion at the summit. What others think?
> 
> Sounds useful. Helmut will have input too I guess, and he'll be there.

Yep, a roaming discussion would be great.

Helmut
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Re: Linux wireless mini-summit -- Berlin, June 2009

[Henning Rogge]

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On Freitag 08 Mai 2009 11:01:21 Helmut Schaa wrote:
> Am Montag, 4. Mai 2009 schrieb John W. Linville:
> > > I will arrive to Berlin on Thursday before noon and will leave on
> > > Sunday evening.
> >
> > Excellent news!  Anyone else?
>
> I plan to be there as well.
Just got my flight to Berlin... will be there from Thursday to Sunday.

Henning Rogge

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Re: Linux wireless mini-summit -- Berlin, June 2009

[Nick Kossifidis]

2009/5/9 Henning Rogge <hrogge@googlemail.com>:
> On Freitag 08 Mai 2009 11:01:21 Helmut Schaa wrote:
>> Am Montag, 4. Mai 2009 schrieb John W. Linville:
>> > > I will arrive to Berlin on Thursday before noon and will leave o=
n
>> > > Sunday evening.
>> >
>> > Excellent news! =C2=A0Anyone else?
>>
>> I plan to be there as well.
> Just got my flight to Berlin... will be there from Thursday to Sunday=
=2E
>
> Henning Rogge
>

On FUDcon wiki i could only find infos about Holiday Inn (which is
expensive), do you know any other hotels nearby ?


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Re: Linux wireless mini-summit -- Berlin, June 2009

[Henning Rogge]

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Am Samstag 09 Mai 2009 16:21:40 schrieb Nick Kossifidis:
> On FUDcon wiki i could only find infos about Holiday Inn (which is
> expensive), do you know any other hotels nearby ?
Sorry no... I got a place to sleep at someone of Freifunk Berlin.

Maybe this page could help to find some more hotels (don't know the page 
itself, just googled for a German hotel search engine) ?

http://www.hotel.de/Search.aspx?hs_validate=2&hs_locationnr=31212&gclid=COzmwJe6r5oCFRaA3godiRewcQ&cpn=42&oc=de-
DE

Henning


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Re: Linux wireless mini-summit -- Berlin, June 2009

[Luis Correia]

Hi John,

On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 13:12, John W. Linville <linville@tuxdriver.com> wrote:
> On Sun, May 03, 2009 at 11:43:38AM +0300, Kalle Valo wrote:
>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 11:39 PM, Johannes Berg
>> <johannes@sipsolutions.net> wrote:
>> > Hi,
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> >> Also, please consider making some sort of prepared presentation.
>> >> Especially welcome would be topics that are accessible to those
>> >> outside of the core wireless developer group, such as current
>> >> projects on enhancing IBSS support, extended power savings, or any
>> >> other user-visible topic.  I'll be happy to take such proposals in
>> >> private email or you can post them as part of this thread.
>> >
>> > Since I've just booked my train (will arrive 1:30pm or so on the 25th,
>> > leave Sunday [28th] late afternoon), here are some things I could
>> > possibly talk about:
>> >
>> >  * status of moving to nl80211/cfg80211 -- overview over new cfg80211
>> >   operations, maybe with Jouni?
>> >  * power saving if Kalle can't make it
>>
>> I can now confirm that I'm joining the summit as well \o/
>>
>> I will arrive to Berlin on Thursday before noon and will leave on
>> Sunday evening.
>>
>> Kalle
>
> Excellent news!  Anyone else?
>
> John

Better late then sorry.

I confirm that two members of the rt2x00 project will be present, me and Ivo.

See you guys there!

Luis Correia
rt2x00 project admin

Re: Linux wireless mini-summit -- Berlin, June 2009

[Nick Kossifidis]

2009/4/3 John W. Linville <linville@tuxdriver.com>:
> Greetings,
>
> As you may know, we are planning on having a wireless summit meeting
> in Berlin, Germany this June.  This meeting is in cooperation with
> the Fedora FUDCon event, which will be accomodating us under the
> guise of a "hackfest".  This event also overlaps (and co-locates)
> with LinuxTag 2009.  Details are available here:
>
>        https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Berlin_2009
>
> FUDCon's are typically self-organizing under the BarCamp model.
> However, I have secured a promise that we will be allocated space
> for 1-2 dozen people on at least Friday 26 June and Saturday 27 June
> for our wireless event.  I personally encourage everyone not only to
> attend LinuxTag but also to participate in the rest of FUDCon!
>
> So, here I open the floor for discussion of agenda items for our
> wireless meeting/hackfest.  What do we think is important to discuss
> face-to-face this year?  What isn't getting done?  What is getting
> done wrong?  What do we need that we didn't realize last year?
>
> Also, please consider making some sort of prepared presentation.
> Especially welcome would be topics that are accessible to those
> outside of the core wireless developer group, such as current
> projects on enhancing IBSS support, extended power savings, or any
> other user-visible topic.  I'll be happy to take such proposals in
> private email or you can post them as part of this thread.
>
> Hopefully this gets the discussion started...please comment!
>
> John
>
> P.S.  We are also planning a meeting in Portland this September for
> those unable or unwilling to travel outside of North America for
> whatever reason -- stay tuned.

Can we book a room on Holiday in
(http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Berlin_2009_lodging) or is it
only for Fedora people ? What's the process ? I've managed to find
some funding for travel expenses but most hotels are really expensive
(i plan to come on 24 and leave on 29).


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Re: Linux wireless mini-summit -- Berlin, June 2009

[Nick Kossifidis]

2009/4/3 John W. Linville <linville-2XuSBdqkA4R54TAoqtyWWQ@public.gmane.org>:
> Greetings,
>
> As you may know, we are planning on having a wireless summit meeting
> in Berlin, Germany this June.  This meeting is in cooperation with
> the Fedora FUDCon event, which will be accomodating us under the
> guise of a "hackfest".  This event also overlaps (and co-locates)
> with LinuxTag 2009.  Details are available here:
>
>        https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Berlin_2009
>
> FUDCon's are typically self-organizing under the BarCamp model.
> However, I have secured a promise that we will be allocated space
> for 1-2 dozen people on at least Friday 26 June and Saturday 27 June
> for our wireless event.  I personally encourage everyone not only to
> attend LinuxTag but also to participate in the rest of FUDCon!
>
> So, here I open the floor for discussion of agenda items for our
> wireless meeting/hackfest.  What do we think is important to discuss
> face-to-face this year?  What isn't getting done?  What is getting
> done wrong?  What do we need that we didn't realize last year?
>
> Also, please consider making some sort of prepared presentation.
> Especially welcome would be topics that are accessible to those
> outside of the core wireless developer group, such as current
> projects on enhancing IBSS support, extended power savings, or any
> other user-visible topic.  I'll be happy to take such proposals in
> private email or you can post them as part of this thread.
>
> Hopefully this gets the discussion started...please comment!
>
> John
>
> P.S.  We are also planning a meeting in Portland this September for
> those unable or unwilling to travel outside of North America for
> whatever reason -- stay tuned.

Can we book a room on Holiday in
(http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Berlin_2009_lodging) or is it
only for Fedora people ? What's the process ? I've managed to find
some funding for travel expenses but most hotels are really expensive
(i plan to come on 24 and leave on 29).


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Re: Linux wireless mini-summit -- Berlin, June 2009

[John W. Linville]

On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 03:35:14PM +0300, Nick Kossifidis wrote:

> Can we book a room on Holiday in
> (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Berlin_2009_lodging) or is it
> only for Fedora people ? What's the process ? I've managed to find
> some funding for travel expenses but most hotels are really expensive
> (i plan to come on 24 and leave on 29).

AFAIK you are welcome to do so -- note that they are supposed to be
booking the rooms _today_, so move quickly!

John
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Re: Linux wireless mini-summit -- Berlin, June 2009

[John W. Linville]

On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 03:35:14PM +0300, Nick Kossifidis wrote:

> Can we book a room on Holiday in
> (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Berlin_2009_lodging) or is it
> only for Fedora people ? What's the process ? I've managed to find
> some funding for travel expenses but most hotels are really expensive
> (i plan to come on 24 and leave on 29).

AFAIK you are welcome to do so -- note that they are supposed to be
booking the rooms _today_, so move quickly!

John
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Re: Linux wireless mini-summit -- Berlin, June 2009

[Nick Kossifidis]

2009/6/3 Nick Kossifidis <mickflemm@gmail.com>:
>
>
> Can we book a room on Holiday in
> (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Berlin_2009_lodging) or is it
> only for Fedora people ? What's the process ? I've managed to find
> some funding for travel expenses but most hotels are really expensive
> (i plan to come on 24 and leave on 29).
>

Just arrived, looking forward to see you all ;-)


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Linux wireless mini-summit -- Berlin, June 2009

[Kevin Wilson]

Hello,
  Facing the upcoming summit, I want to say here that it would be a
great idea if some of the  wireless
summit lectures (or all) will be videoed and put on the web
afterwards. I think this can be a great idea
for the benefit of the Linux wireless community.

Rgs,
Kevin