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From: Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Notes on block I/O data integrity
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 20:21:55 +0930	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200908272021.56219.rusty@rustcorp.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090825181120.GA4863@lst.de>

On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 03:41:20 am Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> As various people wanted to know how the various data integrity patches
> I've send out recently play together here's a small writeup on what
> issues we have in QEMU and how to fix it:

Classic mail.  Thanks for the massive and coherent clue injection!

> Action plan for the guest drivers:
> 
>  - virtio-blk needs to advertise ordered queue by default.
>    This makes cache=writethrough safe on virtio.

>From a guest POV, that's "we don't know, let's say we're ordered because that
may make us safer".  Of course, it may not help: how much does it cost to
drain the queue?

The bug, IMHO is that we *should* know.  And in future I'd like to fix that,
either by adding an VIRTIO_BLK_F_ORDERED feature, or a VIRTIO_BLK_F_UNORDERED
feature.

> Action plan for QEMU:
> 
>  - IDE needs to set the write cache enabled bit
>  - virtio needs to implement a cache flush command and advertise it
>    (also needs a small change to the host driver)

So, virtio-blk needs to be enhanced for this as well.

Thanks!
Rusty.

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From: Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: [Qemu-devel] Re: Notes on block I/O data integrity
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 20:21:55 +0930	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200908272021.56219.rusty@rustcorp.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090825181120.GA4863@lst.de>

On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 03:41:20 am Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> As various people wanted to know how the various data integrity patches
> I've send out recently play together here's a small writeup on what
> issues we have in QEMU and how to fix it:

Classic mail.  Thanks for the massive and coherent clue injection!

> Action plan for the guest drivers:
> 
>  - virtio-blk needs to advertise ordered queue by default.
>    This makes cache=writethrough safe on virtio.

From a guest POV, that's "we don't know, let's say we're ordered because that
may make us safer".  Of course, it may not help: how much does it cost to
drain the queue?

The bug, IMHO is that we *should* know.  And in future I'd like to fix that,
either by adding an VIRTIO_BLK_F_ORDERED feature, or a VIRTIO_BLK_F_UNORDERED
feature.

> Action plan for QEMU:
> 
>  - IDE needs to set the write cache enabled bit
>  - virtio needs to implement a cache flush command and advertise it
>    (also needs a small change to the host driver)

So, virtio-blk needs to be enhanced for this as well.

Thanks!
Rusty.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-08-27 10:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-08-25 18:11 Notes on block I/O data integrity Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-25 18:11 ` [Qemu-devel] " Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-25 19:33 ` Javier Guerra
2009-08-25 19:33   ` [Qemu-devel] " Javier Guerra
2009-08-25 19:36   ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-25 19:36     ` [Qemu-devel] " Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-26 18:57     ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-26 18:57       ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-26 22:17       ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-26 22:17         ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-27  9:00         ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-25 20:25 ` Nikola Ciprich
2009-08-25 20:25   ` [Qemu-devel] " Nikola Ciprich
2009-08-26 18:55   ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-26 18:55     ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-27  0:15   ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-27  0:15     ` [Qemu-devel] " Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-27 10:51 ` Rusty Russell [this message]
2009-08-27 10:51   ` Rusty Russell
2009-08-27 13:42   ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-27 13:42     ` [Qemu-devel] " Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-28  2:03     ` Rusty Russell
2009-08-28  2:03       ` [Qemu-devel] " Rusty Russell
2009-08-27 14:09 ` [Qemu-devel] " Jamie Lokier
2009-08-27 14:09   ` Jamie Lokier

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