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* Re: System hangs when using USB 3.0 HD with on Ubuntu
  2010-03-31 11:39                   ` Jonas Schwertfeger
@ 2010-04-21 14:58 ` Luben Tuikov
  -1 siblings, 0 replies; 227+ messages in thread
From: Luben Tuikov @ 2010-04-21 14:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Mark Lord
  Cc: Alan Stern, Sarah Sharp, USB Storage List, Matthew Dharm,
	linux-scsi, Lennart Poettering, Douglas Gilbert,
	Jonas Schwertfeger, Dinh.Nguyen, Sergei Shtylyov,
	James Bottomley, Kay Sievers, David Zeuthen, linux-hotplug,
	linux-usb

On Apr 21, 2010, at 6:52, Mark Lord <mlord@pobox.com> wrote:

On 21/04/10 08:47 AM, Luben Tuikov wrote:
  starts at line 8816.  (It says the
command
is a BLANK command, but it's incorrectly
identified that command.)

Application clients should send ATA PASS-THROUGH (16) and never the 12 byte version to ATAPI devices behind a SAT bridge, whose opcode is interpreted as BLANK (as pointed out by Doug), and BLANK executed.
..

That's a nice self-proclamation.
Got a pointer to a SAT or ATA/SATA standard that says it for real?

If you think this is a "self-proclamation" and want a spec to spell it out, then go ahead and send ATA PT 12 to ATAPI devices behind a SAT bridge. Just make sure there is no RW media in the device. :-) 

The problem with that statement (above), becomes.. what to use
for the initial IDENTIFY request, before the type of device is known?

The statement above tells you: use ATA PT 16.

     Luben




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* Re: System hangs when using USB 3.0 HD with on Ubuntu
  2010-03-31 11:39                   ` Jonas Schwertfeger
@ 2010-04-21 15:09 ` Luben Tuikov
  -1 siblings, 0 replies; 227+ messages in thread
From: Luben Tuikov @ 2010-04-21 15:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Alan Stern
  Cc: Sarah Sharp, Jonas Schwertfeger, USB Storage List, Matthew Dharm,
	<linux-scsi-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	Lennart Poettering, Douglas Gilbert,
	<Dinh.Nguyen-KZfg59tc24xl57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org>,
	Mark Lord, Sergei Shtylyov, James Bottomley, Kay Sievers,
	David Zeuthen,
	<linux-hotplug-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	<linux-usb-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>

On Apr 21, 2010, at 7:31, Alan Stern <stern-nwvwT67g6+6dFdvTe/nMLpVzexx5G7lz@public.gmane.org> wrote:

On Wed, 21 Apr 2010, Luben Tuikov wrote:

The real problem with the Buffalo drive is that it
responds with a
phase error when it receives an ATA_16 IDENTIFY DEVICE
command with the
Sector Count field set to 0.

The Sector Count field in the ATA PASS-THROUGH (12) or (16) CDB
should be set appropriately by the Application Client as the neither
the SAT bridge nor the SATA transport will interpret the ATA Command
byte. Thus, for IDENTIFY (PACKET) DEVICE the Application Client
should set it to 1.

Why do you say that 1 is the appropriate value?  In the ATA-5 spec
(which is the most recent version I have) Sector Count is listed as
"na" for IDENTIFY DEVICE, which means that the content of that field is
not applicable to this particular command.  Hence the value shouldn't 
matter.

It is needed by the transport protocol(s). 

      Luben



Alan Stern

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* Re: System hangs when using USB 3.0 HD with on Ubuntu
  2010-03-31 11:39                   ` Jonas Schwertfeger
@ 2010-04-22  0:08 ` Luben Tuikov
  -1 siblings, 0 replies; 227+ messages in thread
From: Luben Tuikov @ 2010-04-22  0:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Alan Stern
  Cc: Sarah Sharp, Jonas Schwertfeger, James Bottomley, Kay Sievers,
	David Zeuthen,
	<linux-hotplug-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	<linux-usb-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	USB Storage List, Matthew Dharm,
	<linux-scsi-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	Lennart Poettering, Douglas Gilbert,
	<Dinh.Nguyen-KZfg59tc24xl57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org>,
	Mark Lord, Sergei Shtylyov

On Apr 21, 2010, at 9:09, Alan Stern <stern-nwvwT67g6+6dFdvTe/nMLpVzexx5G7lz@public.gmane.org> wrote:

On Wed, 21 Apr 2010, Luben Tuikov wrote:

The Sector Count field in the ATA PASS-THROUGH (12) or (16) CDB
should be set appropriately by the Application Client as the neither
the SAT bridge nor the SATA transport will interpret the ATA Command
byte. Thus, for IDENTIFY (PACKET) DEVICE the Application Client
should set it to 1.

Why do you say that 1 is the appropriate value?  In the ATA-5 spec
(which is the most recent version I have) Sector Count is listed as
"na" for IDENTIFY DEVICE, which means that the content of that field is
not applicable to this particular command.  Hence the value shouldn't 
matter.

It is needed by the transport protocol(s). 

I don't understand; can you explain more fully?  Which transport 
protocol(s) need to use the Sector Count?  The USB transport protocol 
doesn't; it encodes the transfer length in a wrapper.  The bridge chip 
should interpret the wrapper instead of looking inside the SAT command.

Well BOT is the exception. In general transports aren't concerned with the size, etc of the command. They just transport the CDB. UAS for example, being in SAM-spirit transport and in this sense being mature over BOT.

The transfer length is part of the CDB, if the command is expected to transfer data and ATA PT CDBs are no exception. The transport bridge would "convert" from one transport protocol into another and it thus need to know the transfer size if any to prep the next protocol for the command. In this case this is visualized as UAS(SCSI)<-->SATA(ATA). Use BOT, wlg.

This is really the function of SAT. Unknown CDBs are treated as bi-directional to let the target determine data transfer direction if any.

     Luben

  



Alan Stern

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2010-04-07 18:08                                                                 ` Mark Lord
2010-04-07 18:08                                                                   ` Mark Lord
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2010-04-07 22:49                                                                         ` Mark Lord
2010-04-08  5:06                                                                         ` Jonas Schwertfeger
2010-04-08  5:06                                                                           ` Jonas Schwertfeger
2010-04-02 16:21                                                               ` Douglas Gilbert
2010-04-02 16:21                                                                 ` Douglas Gilbert
2010-04-02 16:39                                                                 ` Douglas Gilbert
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2010-04-02 21:24                                                                     ` Mark Lord
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2010-04-03  6:21                                                                       ` Jonas Schwertfeger
2010-04-03  6:21                                                                         ` Jonas Schwertfeger
2010-04-03 13:12                                                                         ` Mark Lord
2010-04-03 15:40                                                                           ` Jonas Schwertfeger
2010-04-03 15:40                                                                             ` Jonas Schwertfeger
2010-04-03 16:42                                                                             ` Alan Stern
2010-04-03 16:42                                                                               ` Alan Stern
2010-04-03 17:06                                                                               ` Jonas Schwertfeger
2010-04-03 17:06                                                                                 ` Jonas Schwertfeger
2010-04-03 20:58                                                                                 ` Alan Stern
2010-04-03 20:58                                                                                   ` Alan Stern
2010-04-04  1:29                                                                                   ` Mark Lord
2010-04-04  1:29                                                                                     ` Mark Lord
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2010-04-06  6:43                                                                                     ` Jonas Schwertfeger
2010-04-06  6:43                                                                                       ` Jonas Schwertfeger
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2010-04-06 14:49                                                                                         ` Alan Stern
2010-04-06 14:49                                                                                           ` Alan Stern
2010-04-06 14:56                                                                                           ` Jonas Schwertfeger
2010-04-06 14:56                                                                                             ` Jonas Schwertfeger
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2010-04-07  6:27                                                                                             ` Jonas Schwertfeger
2010-04-07  6:27                                                                                               ` Jonas Schwertfeger
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2010-04-07 14:36                                                                                                 ` Alan Stern
2010-04-07 14:36                                                                                                   ` Alan Stern
2010-04-07 14:42                                                                                                   ` Jonas Schwertfeger
2010-04-07 14:42                                                                                                     ` Jonas Schwertfeger
2010-04-07 14:51                                                                                                     ` Jerone Young
2010-04-07 14:51                                                                                                       ` Jerone Young
2010-04-07 15:03                                                                                                     ` Alan Stern
2010-04-07 15:03                                                                                                       ` Alan Stern
2010-04-07 15:10                                                                                                       ` Jonas Schwertfeger
2010-04-07 15:10                                                                                                         ` Jonas Schwertfeger
2010-04-09 15:38                                                                                                         ` Alan Stern
2010-04-09 15:38                                                                                                           ` Alan Stern
2010-04-09 16:39                                                                                                           ` Douglas Gilbert
2010-04-09 16:39                                                                                                             ` Douglas Gilbert
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2010-04-09 17:14                                                                                                               ` Sarah Sharp
2010-04-09 17:14                                                                                                                 ` Sarah Sharp
2010-04-09 18:00                                                                                                                 ` Jonas Schwertfeger
2010-04-09 18:00                                                                                                                   ` Jonas Schwertfeger
2010-04-09 19:25                                                                                                                   ` Alan Stern
2010-04-09 19:25                                                                                                                     ` Alan Stern
2010-04-09 21:54                                                                                                                     ` Sarah Sharp
2010-04-09 21:54                                                                                                                       ` Sarah Sharp
2010-04-12  7:48                                                                                                                       ` Jonas Schwertfeger
2010-04-12  7:48                                                                                                                         ` Jonas Schwertfeger
2010-04-16 18:20                                                                                                                         ` Sarah Sharp
2010-04-16 18:20                                                                                                                           ` Sarah Sharp
2010-04-16 19:25                                                                                                                           ` Alan Stern
2010-04-16 19:25                                                                                                                             ` Alan Stern
2010-04-19 21:15                                                                                                                             ` Sarah Sharp
2010-04-19 21:15                                                                                                                               ` Sarah Sharp
2010-04-20  0:25                                                                                                                               ` Mark Lord
2010-04-20  0:25                                                                                                                                 ` Mark Lord
2010-04-20  4:31                                                                                                                                 ` Mark Lord
2010-04-20  4:31                                                                                                                                   ` Mark Lord
2010-04-20 15:39                                                                                                                               ` Alan Stern
2010-04-20 15:39                                                                                                                                 ` Alan Stern
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2010-04-20 17:37                                                                                                                                   ` Sarah Sharp
2010-04-20 17:37                                                                                                                                     ` Sarah Sharp
2010-04-20 19:48                                                                                                                                     ` Alan Stern
2010-04-20 19:48                                                                                                                                       ` Alan Stern
2010-04-21 14:04                                                                                                                                       ` Mark Lord
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2010-04-21 18:17                                                                                                                                           ` Mark Lord
2010-04-21 18:27                                                                                                                                             ` Jonas Schwertfeger
2010-04-21 18:27                                                                                                                                               ` Jonas Schwertfeger
2010-04-21 19:07                                                                                                                                               ` Alan Stern
2010-04-21 19:07                                                                                                                                                 ` Alan Stern
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2010-04-21 19:24                                                                                                                                                   ` Mark Lord
2010-04-21 19:24                                                                                                                                                     ` Mark Lord
2010-04-26 16:27                                                                                                                                               ` Sarah Sharp
2010-04-26 16:27                                                                                                                                                 ` Sarah Sharp
2010-04-29  8:44                                                                                                                                                 ` Jonas Schwertfeger
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2010-04-29 12:56                                                                                                                                                   ` Mark Lord
2010-04-29 12:56                                                                                                                                                     ` Mark Lord
2010-04-29 15:45                                                                                                                                                   ` Alan Stern
2010-04-29 15:45                                                                                                                                                     ` Alan Stern
2010-05-07 10:42                                                                                                                                                     ` Jonas Schwertfeger
2010-05-07 10:42                                                                                                                                                       ` Jonas Schwertfeger
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2010-05-07 15:03                                                                                                                                                         ` Alan Stern
2010-05-07 15:03                                                                                                                                                           ` Alan Stern
2010-05-11  6:54                                                                                                                                                           ` Jonas Schwertfeger
2010-05-11  6:54                                                                                                                                                             ` Jonas Schwertfeger
2010-05-11 14:44                                                                                                                                                             ` Alan Stern
2010-05-11 14:44                                                                                                                                                               ` Alan Stern
2010-05-12 12:56                                                                                                                                                               ` Mark Lord
2010-05-12 12:56                                                                                                                                                                 ` Mark Lord
2010-05-12 14:23                                                                                                                                                                 ` Douglas Gilbert
2010-05-12 14:23                                                                                                                                                                   ` Douglas Gilbert
2010-05-12 14:37                                                                                                                                                                   ` Mark Lord
2010-05-12 14:37                                                                                                                                                                     ` Mark Lord
2010-05-12 14:45                                                                                                                                                                     ` Mark Lord
2010-05-12 14:45                                                                                                                                                                       ` Mark Lord
2010-05-12 15:09                                                                                                                                                                 ` Alan Stern
2010-05-12 15:09                                                                                                                                                                   ` Alan Stern
2010-05-12 15:39                                                                                                                                                                   ` James Bottomley
2010-05-12 15:39                                                                                                                                                                     ` James Bottomley
2010-05-12 18:48                                                                                                                                                                     ` Alan Stern
2010-05-12 18:48                                                                                                                                                                       ` Alan Stern
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2010-05-13  3:12                                                                                                                                                                         ` Mark Lord
2010-05-13  3:12                                                                                                                                                                           ` Mark Lord
2010-05-13 18:42                                                                                                                                                                           ` Alan Stern
2010-05-13 18:42                                                                                                                                                                             ` Alan Stern
2010-04-21 12:31                                                                                                                                     ` Luben Tuikov
2010-04-21 12:31                                                                                                                                       ` Luben Tuikov
2010-04-21 14:31                                                                                                                                       ` Alan Stern
2010-04-21 14:31                                                                                                                                         ` Alan Stern
2010-04-21 12:47                                                                                                                                     ` Luben Tuikov
2010-04-21 12:47                                                                                                                                       ` Luben Tuikov
2010-04-21 13:52                                                                                                                                       ` Mark Lord
2010-04-21 13:52                                                                                                                                         ` Mark Lord
2010-04-21 14:04                                                                                                                                         ` James Bottomley
2010-04-21 14:04                                                                                                                                           ` James Bottomley
2010-04-21 14:08                                                                                                                                           ` Mark Lord
2010-04-21 14:08                                                                                                                                             ` Mark Lord
2010-04-21 14:15                                                                                                                                             ` James Bottomley
2010-04-21 14:15                                                                                                                                               ` James Bottomley
2010-04-21 14:13                                                                                                                                           ` Mark Lord
2010-04-21 14:13                                                                                                                                             ` Mark Lord
2010-04-21 14:22                                                                                                                                             ` James Bottomley
2010-04-21 14:22                                                                                                                                               ` James Bottomley
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2010-04-21 14:53                                                                                                                                                 ` Alan Stern
2010-04-21 14:53                                                                                                                                                   ` Alan Stern
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2010-04-21 23:29                                                                                                                                                     ` Stefan Richter
2010-04-21 23:29                                                                                                                                                       ` Stefan Richter
2010-04-20 17:48                                                                                                                                 ` Douglas Gilbert
2010-04-20 17:48                                                                                                                                   ` Douglas Gilbert
2010-04-16 21:31                                                                                                                           ` James Bottomley
2010-04-16 21:31                                                                                                                             ` James Bottomley
2010-04-16 23:56                                                                                                                             ` Douglas Gilbert
2010-04-16 23:56                                                                                                                               ` Douglas Gilbert
2010-04-19 15:04                                                                                                                           ` Jonas Schwertfeger
2010-04-19 15:04                                                                                                                             ` Jonas Schwertfeger
2010-04-19 16:02                                                                                                                             ` Alan Stern
2010-04-19 16:02                                                                                                                               ` Alan Stern
2010-04-19 20:45                                                                                                                             ` Sarah Sharp
2010-04-19 20:45                                                                                                                               ` Sarah Sharp
2010-04-02 17:36                                               ` Sarah Sharp
2010-04-02 17:36                                                 ` Sarah Sharp
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2010-03-31 16:58                             ` Lennart Poettering
2010-03-31 16:58                               ` Lennart Poettering
2010-03-31 17:03                               ` Lennart Poettering
2010-03-31 17:03                                 ` Lennart Poettering
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2010-03-31 17:17                                 ` David Zeuthen
2010-03-31 17:17                                   ` David Zeuthen
2010-03-31 17:06                             ` David Zeuthen
2010-03-31 17:06                               ` David Zeuthen
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2010-03-31 15:37                     ` Jonas Schwertfeger
2010-03-31 15:37                       ` Jonas Schwertfeger
2010-03-29 21:28         ` Sarah Sharp
2010-03-30  7:24           ` Jonas Schwertfeger
2010-04-21 14:58 Luben Tuikov
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2010-04-21 15:09 Luben Tuikov
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2010-04-21 17:41       ` Sarah Sharp
2010-04-21 18:08       ` Alan Stern
2010-04-21 18:08         ` Alan Stern
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