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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
Cc: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
	Sridhar Samudrala <sri@us.ibm.com>,
	netdev <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"kvm@vger.kernel.org" <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Dmitri Vorobiev <dmitri.vorobiev@movial.com>,
	Jiri Kosina <jkosina@suse.cz>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Andi Kleen <ak@linux.intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/3] workqueue: Add an API to create a singlethread workqueue attached to the current task's cgroup
Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 20:32:07 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100527173207.GA21880@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4BFEA434.6080405@kernel.org>

On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 06:56:20PM +0200, Tejun Heo wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> On 05/27/2010 06:39 PM, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> >> Unless you're gonna convert every driver to use this
> >> special kind of workqueue (and what happens when multiple tasks from
> >> different cgroups share the driver?),
> > 
> > We'll then create a workqueue per task. Each workqueue will have the
> > right cgroup. But we are not trying to selve the problem for
> > every driver.
> 
> Ah... I see.  You're gonna use multiple workqueues.  Once concern that
> I have is that this is abuse of workqueue interface to certain level
> and depends on the implementation detail of workqueue rather than its
> intended usage model.

Well, this is why I proposed adding a new API for creating
workqueue within workqueue.c, rather than exposing the task
and attaching it to cgroups in our driver: so that workqueue
maintainers can fix the implementation if it ever changes.

And after all, it's an internal API, we can always change
it later if we need.

> stop_machine() was a similar case and in the
> end it was better served by a different mechanism built on kthread
> directly (cpu_stop).  Wouldn't it be cleaner to use kthread directly
> for your case too?  You're basically trying to use workqueue as a
> frontend to kthread, so...
> 
> Thanks.

Well, yes but we are using APIs like flush_work etc. These are very
handy.  It seems much easier than rolling our own queue on top of kthread.

Makes sense?

> -- 
> tejun

  reply	other threads:[~2010-05-27 17:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 115+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-05-19  0:04 [PATCH 2/3] workqueue: Add an API to create a singlethread workqueue attached to the current task's cgroup Sridhar Samudrala
2010-05-27  9:14 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-05-27 12:44   ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-05-27 13:12     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-05-27 13:48       ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-05-27 16:15       ` Tejun Heo
2010-05-27 16:39         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-05-27 16:56           ` Tejun Heo
2010-05-27 17:32             ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2010-05-27 21:20               ` Tejun Heo
2010-05-28 15:08                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-05-28 15:54                   ` Tejun Heo
2010-05-30 11:29                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-05-30 20:24                       ` [PATCH 1/3] vhost: replace vhost_workqueue with per-vhost kthread Tejun Heo
2010-05-31 14:39                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-05-31 15:07                           ` Tejun Heo
2010-05-31 15:31                             ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-05-31 15:38                               ` Tejun Heo
2010-05-31 15:22                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-05-31 15:45                           ` Tejun Heo
2010-05-31 16:00                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-06-01  9:34                               ` Tejun Heo
2010-06-02 18:40                                 ` [PATCH UPDATED " Tejun Heo
2010-06-02 21:34                                   ` Sridhar Samudrala
2010-07-22 15:58                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-07-22 21:21                                     ` Tejun Heo
2010-07-24 19:14                                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-07-25  7:41                                         ` Tejun Heo
2010-07-25 10:04                                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-07-26 15:25                                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-07-26 15:34                                             ` Tejun Heo
2010-07-26 15:46                                               ` Tejun Heo
2010-07-26 15:51                                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-07-26 15:50                                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-07-26 16:05                                                 ` Tejun Heo
2010-07-26 16:14                                                   ` Tejun Heo
2010-07-26 16:31                                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-07-26 18:51                                                       ` Tejun Heo
2010-07-26 19:57                                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-07-27  8:18                                                           ` Tejun Heo
2010-07-26 16:51                                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-07-26 19:14                                                       ` Tejun Heo
2010-07-26 19:31                                                         ` Tejun Heo
2010-07-26 19:59                                                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-07-27 19:19                                                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-07-28  7:48                                                             ` Tejun Heo
2010-07-28 10:48                                                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-07-28 12:00                                                                 ` Tejun Heo
2010-07-26 16:57                                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-07-26 16:23                                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-07-26 19:04                                                     ` Tejun Heo
2010-07-26 20:19                                                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-07-27  8:21                                                         ` Tejun Heo
2010-06-01  9:34                               ` [PATCH 2/3] cgroups: Add an API to attach a task to current task's cgroup Tejun Heo
2010-06-01  9:35                               ` [PATCH 3/3] vhost: apply cpumask and cgroup to vhost workers Tejun Heo
2010-06-01 10:17                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-06-01 10:56                                   ` Tejun Heo
2010-06-01 17:19                                 ` Sridhar Samudrala
2010-06-01 23:59                                   ` Tejun Heo
2010-06-01 14:13                           ` [PATCH 1/3] vhost: replace vhost_workqueue with per-vhost kthread Paul E. McKenney
2010-05-30 20:24                       ` [PATCH 2/3] cgroups: Add an API to attach a task to current task's cgroup Tejun Heo
2010-05-31  1:07                         ` Li Zefan
2010-05-31  7:00                           ` Tejun Heo
2010-05-30 20:25                       ` [PATCH 3/3] vhost: apply cpumask and cgroup to vhost pollers Tejun Heo
2010-05-31  1:11                         ` Li Zefan
2010-05-31  6:58                           ` [PATCH UPDATED " Tejun Heo
2010-05-31  7:48                             ` Li Zefan
2010-05-31 10:20                               ` [PATCH UPDATED2 " Tejun Heo
2010-06-24  8:11                         ` [PATCH " Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-06-24 22:45                           ` Sridhar Samudrala
2010-06-25 10:10                             ` [PATCH] sched: export sched_set/getaffinity (was Re: [PATCH 3/3] vhost: apply cpumask and cgroup to vhost pollers) Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-07-01 11:07                               ` [PATCH repost] sched: export sched_set/getaffinity to modules Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-07-01 11:19                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-07-01 11:43                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-07-01 11:55                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-07-01 12:23                                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-07-01 12:34                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-07-01 12:46                                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-07-01 13:08                                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-07-01 13:30                                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-07-01 13:39                                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-07-01 13:57                                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-07-01 14:27                                                   ` Tejun Heo
2010-07-01 14:46                                                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-07-01 14:53                                                       ` Tejun Heo
2010-07-01 14:55                                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-07-02 18:01                                                           ` Sridhar Samudrala
2010-07-02 18:11                                                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-07-02 21:06                                                               ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-07-04  9:00                                                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-07-13  6:59                                                                   ` Sridhar Samudrala
2010-07-13 11:09                                                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-07-14 23:26                                                                       ` Sridhar Samudrala
2010-07-15  0:05                                                                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-07-15  5:29                                                                           ` Sridhar Samudrala
2010-07-26 17:12                                                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-07-26 17:51                                                                   ` Sridhar Samudrala
2010-07-26 18:08                                                                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-07-26 19:55                                                                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-07-26 20:27                                                                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-07-27  4:55                                                                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-08-04 10:45                                                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-07-27 15:41                                                                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-07-30 14:19                                                                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-07-30 14:31                                                                           ` Tejun Heo
2010-08-01  8:50                                                                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-08-02 15:02                                                                             ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-07-01 14:33                                                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-07-01 12:32                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-07-01 12:50                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-07-01 13:07                                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-07-01 13:22                                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-05-27 16:24     ` [PATCH 2/3] workqueue: Add an API to create a singlethread workqueue attached to the current task's cgroup Sridhar Samudrala
2010-05-27 16:41       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-05-27 17:30       ` Oleg Nesterov

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