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From: Ted Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>
To: Andreas Dilger <adilger@dilger.ca>
Cc: Ric Wheeler <rwheeler@redhat.com>, Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>, Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com>,
	Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	jaxboe@fusionio.com, James.Bottomley@suse.de,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org,
	chris.mason@oracle.com, swhiteho@redhat.com,
	konishi.ryusuke@lab.ntt.co.jp
Subject: Re: [RFC] relaxed barrier semantics
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 19:04:06 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100729230406.GI4506@thunk.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <25F5E16E-968D-4FEF-8187-70453985B19B@dilger.ca>

On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 04:30:54PM -0600, Andreas Dilger wrote: 
> Like James wrote, this is basically everything FUA.  It is OK for
> ordered mode to allow the device to aggregate the normal filesystem
> and journal IO, but when the commit block is written it should flush
> all of the previously written data to disk.  This still allows
> request re-ordering and merging inside the device, but orders the
> data vs. the commit block.  Having the proposed "flush ranges"
> interface to the disk would be ideal, since there would be no wasted
> time flushing data that does not need it (i.e. other partitions).

My understanding is that "everything FUA" can be a performance
disaster.  That's because it bypasses the track buffer, and things get
written directly to disk.  So there is no possibility to reorder
buffers so that they get written in one disk rotation.  Depending on
the disk, it might even be that if you send N sequential sectors all
tagged with FUA, it could be slower than sending the N sectors
followed by a cache flush or SYNCHRONIZE_CACHE command.

It may be worth doing some experiments to see how big N is for various
disks, but I'm pretty sure that FUA will probably turn out to not be
such a great idea for ext3/ext4.

						- Ted

  reply	other threads:[~2010-07-29 23:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 155+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-07-27 16:56 [RFC] relaxed barrier semantics Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-27 17:54 ` Jan Kara
2010-07-27 18:35   ` Vivek Goyal
2010-07-27 18:42     ` James Bottomley
2010-07-27 18:51       ` Ric Wheeler
2010-07-27 19:43       ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-27 19:38     ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-28  8:08     ` Tejun Heo
2010-07-28  8:20       ` Tejun Heo
2010-07-28 13:55         ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-07-28 14:23           ` Tejun Heo
2010-07-28 14:37             ` James Bottomley
2010-07-28 14:44               ` Tejun Heo
2010-07-28 16:17                 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-07-28 16:17               ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-07-28 16:16             ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-07-28  8:24       ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-28  8:40         ` Tejun Heo
2010-07-28  8:50           ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-28  8:58             ` Tejun Heo
2010-07-28  9:00               ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-28  9:11                 ` Hannes Reinecke
2010-07-28  9:16                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-28  9:24                     ` Tejun Heo
2010-07-28  9:38                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-28  9:28                   ` Steven Whitehouse
2010-07-28  9:35                     ` READ_META semantics, was " Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-28 13:52                       ` Jeff Moyer
2010-07-28  9:17                 ` Tejun Heo
2010-07-28  9:28                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-28  9:48                     ` Tejun Heo
2010-07-28 10:19                     ` Steven Whitehouse
2010-07-28 11:45                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-28 12:47                     ` Jan Kara
2010-07-28 23:00                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-29 10:45                         ` Jan Kara
2010-07-29 16:54                           ` Joel Becker
2010-07-29 17:02                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-29 17:02                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-29  1:44                     ` Ted Ts'o
2010-07-29  2:43                       ` Vivek Goyal
2010-07-29  2:43                       ` Vivek Goyal
2010-07-29  8:42                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-29 20:02                           ` Vivek Goyal
2010-07-29 20:06                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-30  3:17                               ` Vivek Goyal
2010-07-30  7:07                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-30  7:41                                   ` Vivek Goyal
2010-08-02 18:28                                   ` [RFC PATCH] Flush only barriers (Was: Re: [RFC] relaxed barrier semantics) Vivek Goyal
2010-08-03 13:03                                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-08-04 15:29                                       ` Vivek Goyal
2010-08-04 16:21                                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-29  8:31                       ` [RFC] relaxed barrier semantics Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-29 11:16                         ` Jan Kara
2010-07-29 13:00                         ` extfs reliability Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-07-29 13:08                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-29 14:12                             ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-07-29 14:34                               ` Jan Kara
2010-07-29 18:20                                 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-07-29 18:49                                 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-07-29 14:26                           ` Jan Kara
2010-07-29 18:20                             ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-07-29 18:58                           ` Ted Ts'o
2010-07-29 19:44                       ` [RFC] relaxed barrier semantics Ric Wheeler
2010-07-29 19:49                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-29 19:56                           ` Ric Wheeler
2010-07-29 19:59                             ` James Bottomley
2010-07-29 20:03                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-29 20:07                                 ` James Bottomley
2010-07-29 20:11                                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-30 12:45                                     ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-07-30 12:56                                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-08-04  1:58                                     ` Jamie Lokier
2010-07-30 12:46                                 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-07-30 12:57                                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-30 13:09                                     ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-07-30 13:12                                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-30 17:40                                         ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-07-29 20:58                               ` Ric Wheeler
2010-07-29 22:30                             ` Andreas Dilger
2010-07-29 23:04                               ` Ted Ts'o [this message]
2010-07-29 23:08                                 ` Ric Wheeler
2010-07-29 23:08                                 ` Ric Wheeler
2010-07-29 23:28                                 ` James Bottomley
2010-07-29 23:37                                   ` James Bottomley
2010-07-30  0:19                                     ` Ted Ts'o
2010-07-30 12:56                                   ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-07-30  7:11                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-30  7:11                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-30 12:56                                 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-07-30 13:07                                   ` Tejun Heo
2010-07-30 13:22                                     ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-07-30 13:27                                       ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-07-30 13:09                                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-30 13:25                                     ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-07-30 13:34                                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-30 13:44                                         ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-07-30 14:20                                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-31  0:47                                             ` Jan Kara
2010-07-31  9:12                                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-08-02 13:14                                                 ` Jan Kara
2010-08-02 10:38                                               ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-08-02 12:48                                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-08-02 19:03                                                   ` xfs rm performance Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-08-02 19:18                                                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-08-05 19:31                                                       ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-08-02 19:01                                             ` [RFC] relaxed barrier semantics Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-08-02 19:26                                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-30 12:56                                 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-07-31  0:35                         ` Jan Kara
2010-07-29 19:44                       ` Ric Wheeler
2010-08-02 16:47                     ` Ryusuke Konishi
2010-08-02 17:39                     ` Chris Mason
2010-08-05 13:11                       ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-08-05 13:32                         ` Chris Mason
2010-08-05 14:52                           ` Hannes Reinecke
2010-08-05 14:52                           ` Hannes Reinecke
2010-08-05 15:17                             ` Chris Mason
2010-08-05 17:07                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-08-05 19:48                           ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-08-05 19:48                           ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-08-05 19:50                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-08-05 20:05                               ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-08-06 14:56                                 ` Hannes Reinecke
2010-08-06 18:38                                   ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-08-06 23:38                                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-08-06 23:34                                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-08-05 17:09                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-08-05 19:32                           ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-08-05 19:40                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-08-05 13:11                       ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-07-28 13:56                   ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-07-28 14:42                 ` Vivek Goyal
2010-07-27 19:37   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-08-03 18:49   ` [PATCH, RFC 1/2] relaxed cache flushes Christoph Hellwig
2010-08-03 18:51     ` [PATCH, RFC 2/2] dm: support REQ_FLUSH directly Christoph Hellwig
2010-08-04  4:57       ` Kiyoshi Ueda
2010-08-04  8:54         ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-08-05  2:16           ` Jun'ichi Nomura
2010-08-26 22:50             ` Mike Snitzer
2010-08-27  0:40               ` Mike Snitzer
2010-08-27  1:20                 ` Jamie Lokier
2010-08-27  1:43               ` Jun'ichi Nomura
2010-08-27  4:08                 ` Mike Snitzer
2010-08-27  5:52                   ` Jun'ichi Nomura
2010-08-27 14:13                     ` Mike Snitzer
2010-08-30  4:45                       ` Jun'ichi Nomura
2010-08-30  8:33                         ` Tejun Heo
2010-08-30 12:43                           ` Mike Snitzer
2010-08-30 12:45                             ` Tejun Heo
2010-08-06 16:04     ` [PATCH, RFC] relaxed barriers Tejun Heo
2010-08-06 23:34       ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-08-07 10:13       ` [PATCH REPOST " Tejun Heo
2010-08-08 14:31         ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-08-09 14:50           ` Tejun Heo

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