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From: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
To: Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com>
Cc: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>, Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	jaxboe@fusionio.com, James.Bottomley@suse.de,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org,
	tytso@mit.edu, chris.mason@oracle.com, swhiteho@redhat.com,
	konishi.ryusuke@lab.ntt.co.jp
Subject: Re: [RFC] relaxed barrier semantics
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 10:08:44 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4C4FE58C.8080403@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100727183546.GG7347@redhat.com>

Hello,

On 07/27/2010 08:35 PM, Vivek Goyal wrote:
> IIUC, what Christoph is trying to address is that if write cache is
> not enabled then we don't need flushing semantics. We can get rid of
> need of request ordering semantics by waiting on dependent request to
> finish instead of issuing a barrier. That way we will not issue barriers
> no request queue drains and that possibly will help with throughput.

What I don't get here is if filesystems order requests already by
waiting for completions why do they use barriers at all?  All they
need is flush request after all the preceding requests are known to be
complete.

Having writeback cache or not doesn't make any difference
w.r.t. request ordering requirements.  If filesystems don't need the
heavy handed ordering provided by barrier, it should just use flush
instead of barrier.  If filesystem needs the barrier ordering, whether
the device in question is battery backed and costs more than a house
doesn't make any difference.

Thanks.

-- 
tejun

  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-07-28  8:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 155+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-07-27 16:56 [RFC] relaxed barrier semantics Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-27 17:54 ` Jan Kara
2010-07-27 18:35   ` Vivek Goyal
2010-07-27 18:42     ` James Bottomley
2010-07-27 18:51       ` Ric Wheeler
2010-07-27 19:43       ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-27 19:38     ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-28  8:08     ` Tejun Heo [this message]
2010-07-28  8:20       ` Tejun Heo
2010-07-28 13:55         ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-07-28 14:23           ` Tejun Heo
2010-07-28 14:37             ` James Bottomley
2010-07-28 14:44               ` Tejun Heo
2010-07-28 16:17                 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-07-28 16:17               ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-07-28 16:16             ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-07-28  8:24       ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-28  8:40         ` Tejun Heo
2010-07-28  8:50           ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-28  8:58             ` Tejun Heo
2010-07-28  9:00               ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-28  9:11                 ` Hannes Reinecke
2010-07-28  9:16                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-28  9:24                     ` Tejun Heo
2010-07-28  9:38                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-28  9:28                   ` Steven Whitehouse
2010-07-28  9:35                     ` READ_META semantics, was " Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-28 13:52                       ` Jeff Moyer
2010-07-28  9:17                 ` Tejun Heo
2010-07-28  9:28                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-28  9:48                     ` Tejun Heo
2010-07-28 10:19                     ` Steven Whitehouse
2010-07-28 11:45                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-28 12:47                     ` Jan Kara
2010-07-28 23:00                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-29 10:45                         ` Jan Kara
2010-07-29 16:54                           ` Joel Becker
2010-07-29 17:02                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-29 17:02                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-29  1:44                     ` Ted Ts'o
2010-07-29  2:43                       ` Vivek Goyal
2010-07-29  2:43                       ` Vivek Goyal
2010-07-29  8:42                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-29 20:02                           ` Vivek Goyal
2010-07-29 20:06                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-30  3:17                               ` Vivek Goyal
2010-07-30  7:07                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-30  7:41                                   ` Vivek Goyal
2010-08-02 18:28                                   ` [RFC PATCH] Flush only barriers (Was: Re: [RFC] relaxed barrier semantics) Vivek Goyal
2010-08-03 13:03                                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-08-04 15:29                                       ` Vivek Goyal
2010-08-04 16:21                                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-29  8:31                       ` [RFC] relaxed barrier semantics Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-29 11:16                         ` Jan Kara
2010-07-29 13:00                         ` extfs reliability Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-07-29 13:08                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-29 14:12                             ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-07-29 14:34                               ` Jan Kara
2010-07-29 18:20                                 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-07-29 18:49                                 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-07-29 14:26                           ` Jan Kara
2010-07-29 18:20                             ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-07-29 18:58                           ` Ted Ts'o
2010-07-29 19:44                       ` [RFC] relaxed barrier semantics Ric Wheeler
2010-07-29 19:49                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-29 19:56                           ` Ric Wheeler
2010-07-29 19:59                             ` James Bottomley
2010-07-29 20:03                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-29 20:07                                 ` James Bottomley
2010-07-29 20:11                                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-30 12:45                                     ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-07-30 12:56                                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-08-04  1:58                                     ` Jamie Lokier
2010-07-30 12:46                                 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-07-30 12:57                                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-30 13:09                                     ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-07-30 13:12                                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-30 17:40                                         ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-07-29 20:58                               ` Ric Wheeler
2010-07-29 22:30                             ` Andreas Dilger
2010-07-29 23:04                               ` Ted Ts'o
2010-07-29 23:08                                 ` Ric Wheeler
2010-07-29 23:08                                 ` Ric Wheeler
2010-07-29 23:28                                 ` James Bottomley
2010-07-29 23:37                                   ` James Bottomley
2010-07-30  0:19                                     ` Ted Ts'o
2010-07-30 12:56                                   ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-07-30  7:11                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-30  7:11                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-30 12:56                                 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-07-30 13:07                                   ` Tejun Heo
2010-07-30 13:22                                     ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-07-30 13:27                                       ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-07-30 13:09                                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-30 13:25                                     ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-07-30 13:34                                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-30 13:44                                         ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-07-30 14:20                                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-31  0:47                                             ` Jan Kara
2010-07-31  9:12                                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-08-02 13:14                                                 ` Jan Kara
2010-08-02 10:38                                               ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-08-02 12:48                                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-08-02 19:03                                                   ` xfs rm performance Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-08-02 19:18                                                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-08-05 19:31                                                       ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-08-02 19:01                                             ` [RFC] relaxed barrier semantics Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-08-02 19:26                                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-30 12:56                                 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-07-31  0:35                         ` Jan Kara
2010-07-29 19:44                       ` Ric Wheeler
2010-08-02 16:47                     ` Ryusuke Konishi
2010-08-02 17:39                     ` Chris Mason
2010-08-05 13:11                       ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-08-05 13:32                         ` Chris Mason
2010-08-05 14:52                           ` Hannes Reinecke
2010-08-05 14:52                           ` Hannes Reinecke
2010-08-05 15:17                             ` Chris Mason
2010-08-05 17:07                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-08-05 19:48                           ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-08-05 19:48                           ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-08-05 19:50                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-08-05 20:05                               ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-08-06 14:56                                 ` Hannes Reinecke
2010-08-06 18:38                                   ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-08-06 23:38                                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-08-06 23:34                                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-08-05 17:09                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-08-05 19:32                           ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-08-05 19:40                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-08-05 13:11                       ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-07-28 13:56                   ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-07-28 14:42                 ` Vivek Goyal
2010-07-27 19:37   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-08-03 18:49   ` [PATCH, RFC 1/2] relaxed cache flushes Christoph Hellwig
2010-08-03 18:51     ` [PATCH, RFC 2/2] dm: support REQ_FLUSH directly Christoph Hellwig
2010-08-04  4:57       ` Kiyoshi Ueda
2010-08-04  8:54         ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-08-05  2:16           ` Jun'ichi Nomura
2010-08-26 22:50             ` Mike Snitzer
2010-08-27  0:40               ` Mike Snitzer
2010-08-27  1:20                 ` Jamie Lokier
2010-08-27  1:43               ` Jun'ichi Nomura
2010-08-27  4:08                 ` Mike Snitzer
2010-08-27  5:52                   ` Jun'ichi Nomura
2010-08-27 14:13                     ` Mike Snitzer
2010-08-30  4:45                       ` Jun'ichi Nomura
2010-08-30  8:33                         ` Tejun Heo
2010-08-30 12:43                           ` Mike Snitzer
2010-08-30 12:45                             ` Tejun Heo
2010-08-06 16:04     ` [PATCH, RFC] relaxed barriers Tejun Heo
2010-08-06 23:34       ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-08-07 10:13       ` [PATCH REPOST " Tejun Heo
2010-08-08 14:31         ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-08-09 14:50           ` Tejun Heo

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