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From: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
To: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	jaxboe@fusionio.com, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org, linux-ide@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-raid@vger.kernel.org,
	James.Bottomley@suse.de, tytso@mit.edu, chris.mason@oracle.com,
	swhiteho@redhat.com, konishi.ryusuke@lab.ntt.co.jp,
	dm-devel@redhat.com, vst@vlnb.net, jack@suse.cz,
	rwheeler@redhat.com, hare@suse.de
Subject: Re: [PATCHSET block#for-2.6.36-post] block: replace barrier with sequenced flush
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 18:59:29 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100817165929.GB13800@lst.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4C6ABBCB.9030306@kernel.org>

On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 06:41:47PM +0200, Tejun Heo wrote:
> > What other trees do you mean?
> 
> I was mostly thinking about dm/md, drdb and stuff, but you're talking
> about filesystem conversion patches being routed through block tree,
> right?

I think we really need all the conversions in one tree, block layer,
remapping drivers and filesystems.

Btw, I've done the conversion for all filesystems and I'm running tests
over them now.  Expect the series late today or tomorrow.

> I might just resequence it to finish this part of discussion but what
> does that really buy us?  It's not really gonna help bisection.
> Bisection won't be able to tell anything in higher resolution than
> "the new implementation doesn't work".  If you show me how it would
> actually help, I'll happily reshuffle the patches.

It's not bisecting to find bugs in the barrier conversion.  We can't
easily bisect it down anyway.  The problem is when we try to bisect
other problems and get into the middle of the series barriers suddenly
are gone.  Which is not very helpful for things like data integrity
problems in filesystems.

> >> I wasn't sure about that part.  You removed store_flush_error(), but
> >> DM_ENDIO_REQUEUE should still have higher priority than other
> >> failures, no?
> > 
> > Which priority?
> 
> IIUC, when any of flushes get DM_ENDIO_REQUEUE (which tells the dm
> core layer to retry the whole bio later), it trumps all other failures
> and the bio is retried later.  That was why DM_ENDIO_REQUEUE was
> prioritized over other error codes, which actually is sort of
> incorrect in that once a FLUSH fails, it _MUST_ be reported to upper
> layers as FLUSH failure implies data already lost.  So,
> DM_ENDIO_REQUEUE actually should have lower priority than other
> failures.  But, then again, the error codes still need to be
> prioritized.

I think that's something we better leave to the DM team.


  reply	other threads:[~2010-08-17 16:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 156+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-08-12 12:41 [PATCHSET block#for-2.6.36-post] block: replace barrier with sequenced flush Tejun Heo
2010-08-12 12:41 ` Tejun Heo
2010-08-12 12:41 ` [PATCH 01/11] block/loop: queue ordered mode should be DRAIN_FLUSH Tejun Heo
2010-08-12 12:41   ` Tejun Heo
2010-08-12 12:41 ` [PATCH 02/11] block: kill QUEUE_ORDERED_BY_TAG Tejun Heo
2010-08-12 12:41 ` Tejun Heo
2010-08-12 12:41   ` Tejun Heo
2010-08-13 12:56   ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-08-13 13:06     ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-08-12 12:41 ` [PATCH 03/11] block: deprecate barrier and replace blk_queue_ordered() with blk_queue_flush() Tejun Heo
2010-08-12 12:41 ` Tejun Heo
2010-08-12 12:41   ` Tejun Heo
2010-08-14  1:07   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2010-08-14  1:07     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2010-08-14  9:42     ` hch
2010-08-16 20:38       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2010-08-12 12:41 ` [PATCH 04/11] block: remove spurious uses of REQ_HARDBARRIER Tejun Heo
2010-08-12 12:41   ` Tejun Heo
2010-08-12 12:41 ` Tejun Heo
2010-08-12 12:41 ` [PATCH 05/11] block: misc cleanups in barrier code Tejun Heo
2010-08-12 12:41   ` Tejun Heo
2010-08-12 12:41 ` [PATCH 06/11] block: drop barrier ordering by queue draining Tejun Heo
2010-08-12 12:41 ` Tejun Heo
2010-08-12 12:41   ` Tejun Heo
2010-08-12 12:41 ` [PATCH 07/11] block: rename blk-barrier.c to blk-flush.c Tejun Heo
2010-08-12 12:41 ` Tejun Heo
2010-08-12 12:41   ` Tejun Heo
2010-08-12 12:41 ` [PATCH 08/11] block: rename barrier/ordered to flush Tejun Heo
2010-08-12 12:41   ` Tejun Heo
2010-08-17 13:26   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-08-17 16:23     ` Tejun Heo
2010-08-17 17:08       ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-08-18  6:23         ` Tejun Heo
2010-08-12 12:41 ` [PATCH 09/11] block: implement REQ_FLUSH/FUA based interface for FLUSH/FUA requests Tejun Heo
2010-08-12 12:41 ` Tejun Heo
2010-08-12 12:41   ` Tejun Heo
2010-08-12 12:41 ` [PATCH 10/11] fs, block: propagate REQ_FLUSH/FUA interface to upper layers Tejun Heo
2010-08-12 12:41   ` Tejun Heo
2010-08-12 21:24   ` Jan Kara
2010-08-13  7:19     ` Tejun Heo
2010-08-13  7:47       ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-08-16 16:33   ` [PATCH UPDATED " Tejun Heo
2010-08-12 12:41 ` [PATCH " Tejun Heo
2010-08-12 12:41 ` [PATCH 11/11] block: use REQ_FLUSH in blkdev_issue_flush() Tejun Heo
2010-08-12 12:41 ` Tejun Heo
2010-08-12 12:41   ` Tejun Heo
2010-08-13 11:48 ` [PATCHSET block#for-2.6.36-post] block: replace barrier with sequenced flush Christoph Hellwig
2010-08-13 13:48   ` Tejun Heo
2010-08-13 14:38     ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-08-13 14:51       ` Tejun Heo
2010-08-14 10:36         ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-08-17  9:59           ` Tejun Heo
2010-08-17 13:19             ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-08-17 16:41               ` Tejun Heo
2010-08-17 16:59                 ` Christoph Hellwig [this message]
2010-08-18  6:35                   ` Tejun Heo
2010-08-18  8:11                     ` Tejun Heo
2010-08-20  8:26                   ` Kiyoshi Ueda
2010-08-23 12:14                     ` Tejun Heo
2010-08-23 14:17                       ` Mike Snitzer
2010-08-24 10:24                         ` Kiyoshi Ueda
2010-08-24 16:59                           ` Tejun Heo
2010-08-24 17:52                             ` Mike Snitzer
2010-08-24 18:14                               ` Tejun Heo
2010-08-25  8:00                             ` Kiyoshi Ueda
2010-08-25 15:28                               ` Mike Snitzer
2010-08-27  9:47                                 ` Kiyoshi Ueda
2010-08-27  9:47                                   ` Kiyoshi Ueda
2010-08-27 13:49                                   ` Mike Snitzer
2010-08-30  6:13                                     ` Kiyoshi Ueda
2010-09-01  0:55                                       ` safety of retrying SYNCHRONIZE CACHE [was: Re: [PATCHSET block#for-2.6.36-post] block: replace barrier with sequenced flush] Mike Snitzer
2010-09-01  7:32                                         ` Hannes Reinecke
2010-09-01  7:32                                           ` Hannes Reinecke
2010-09-01  7:38                                           ` Hannes Reinecke
2010-09-01  7:38                                             ` Hannes Reinecke
2010-12-08 21:14                                             ` [PATCH] scsi: improve description for deferred error Mike Snitzer
2010-12-28 21:45                                               ` Brett Russ
2010-08-25 15:59                               ` [RFC] training mpath to discern between SCSI errors (was: Re: [PATCHSET block#for-2.6.36-post] block: replace barrier with sequenced flush) Mike Snitzer
2010-08-25 19:15                                 ` [RFC] training mpath to discern between SCSI errors Mike Christie
2010-08-30 11:38                                 ` Hannes Reinecke
2010-08-30 12:07                                   ` Sergei Shtylyov
2010-08-30 12:39                                     ` Hannes Reinecke
2010-08-30 12:51                                       ` Christophe Varoqui
2010-08-30 13:10                                         ` Hannes Reinecke
2010-08-30 14:52                                       ` [dm-devel] " Hannes Reinecke
2010-08-30 14:52                                         ` Hannes Reinecke
2010-10-18  8:09                                         ` Jun'ichi Nomura
2010-10-18 11:55                                           ` Hannes Reinecke
2010-10-19  4:03                                             ` Jun'ichi Nomura
2010-11-19  3:11                                             ` [dm-devel] " Malahal Naineni
2010-11-30 22:59                                               ` Mike Snitzer
2010-12-07 23:16                                                 ` [RFC PATCH 0/3] differentiate between I/O errors Mike Snitzer
2010-12-07 23:16                                                   ` [RFC PATCH v2 1/3] scsi: Detailed " Mike Snitzer
2010-12-07 23:16                                                   ` [RFC PATCH v2 2/3] dm mpath: propagate target errors immediately Mike Snitzer
2010-12-07 23:16                                                     ` Mike Snitzer
2010-12-07 23:16                                                   ` [RFC PATCH 3/3] block: improve detail in I/O error messages Mike Snitzer
2010-12-08 11:28                                                     ` Sergei Shtylyov
2010-12-08 15:05                                                       ` [PATCH v2 " Mike Snitzer
2010-12-10 23:40                                                   ` [RFC PATCH 0/3] differentiate between I/O errors Malahal Naineni
2011-01-14  1:15                                                     ` Mike Snitzer
2011-01-14  1:15                                                     ` Mike Snitzer
2011-01-14  1:15                                                       ` Mike Snitzer
2011-01-14  1:15                                                     ` Mike Snitzer
2011-01-14  1:15                                                     ` Mike Snitzer
2010-12-17  9:47                                                 ` training mpath to discern between SCSI errors Hannes Reinecke
2010-12-17 14:06                                                   ` Mike Snitzer
2010-12-17 14:06                                                     ` Mike Snitzer
2011-01-14  1:09                                                     ` Mike Snitzer
2011-01-14  7:45                                                       ` Hannes Reinecke
2011-01-14 13:59                                                         ` Mike Snitzer
2010-08-24 17:11                       ` [PATCHSET block#for-2.6.36-post] block: replace barrier with sequenced flush Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-08-24 23:14                         ` Alan Cox
2010-08-24 23:14                           ` Alan Cox
2010-08-13 12:55 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-08-13 13:17   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-08-18 19:29     ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-08-13 13:21   ` Tejun Heo
2010-08-18 19:30     ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-08-19  9:51       ` Tejun Heo
2010-08-30  9:54         ` Hannes Reinecke
2010-08-30 20:34           ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-08-18  9:46 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-08-19  9:57   ` Tejun Heo
2010-08-19 10:20     ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-08-19 10:22       ` Tejun Heo
2010-08-20 13:22 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-08-20 15:18   ` Ric Wheeler
2010-08-20 16:00     ` Chris Mason
2010-08-20 16:02       ` Ric Wheeler
2010-08-20 16:02         ` Ric Wheeler
2010-08-20 16:02         ` Ric Wheeler
2010-08-20 16:02       ` Ric Wheeler
2010-08-20 16:02       ` Ric Wheeler
2010-08-20 16:02       ` Ric Wheeler
2010-08-23 12:30     ` Tejun Heo
2010-08-23 12:48       ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-08-23 13:58         ` Ric Wheeler
2010-08-23 14:01           ` Jens Axboe
2010-08-23 14:08             ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-08-23 14:13               ` Tejun Heo
2010-08-23 14:19                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-08-25 11:31               ` Jens Axboe
2010-08-30 10:04               ` Hannes Reinecke
2010-08-23 15:19             ` Ric Wheeler
2010-08-23 16:45               ` Sergey Vlasov
2010-08-23 16:45                 ` [dm-devel] " Sergey Vlasov
2010-08-23 16:49                 ` Ric Wheeler
2010-08-23 16:49                 ` Ric Wheeler
2010-08-23 16:49                 ` Ric Wheeler
2010-08-23 16:49                   ` Ric Wheeler
2010-08-23 16:49                 ` Ric Wheeler
2010-08-23 12:36   ` Tejun Heo
2010-08-23 14:05     ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-08-23 14:15 ` [PATCH] block: simplify queue_next_fseq Christoph Hellwig
2010-08-23 16:28   ` OT grammar nit " John Robinson
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-08-12 12:41 [PATCHSET block#for-2.6.36-post] block: replace barrier with sequenced flush Tejun Heo

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