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From: KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>
To: KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>
Cc: robm@fastmail.fm, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	"Bron Gondwana" <brong@fastmail.fm>,
	linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Christoph Lameter <cl@linux-foundation.org>,
	Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>
Subject: Re: Default zone_reclaim_mode = 1 on NUMA kernel is bad for file/email/web servers
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 11:06:28 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100927110628.9bc97ea7.kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100927110417.6B34.A69D9226@jp.fujitsu.com>

On Mon, 27 Sep 2010 11:04:54 +0900 (JST)
KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com> wrote:

> > On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 19:01:32 +0900 (JST)
> > KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > Yes, sadly intel motherboard turn on zone_reclaim_mode by default. and
> > > current zone_reclaim_mode doesn't fit file/web server usecase ;-)
> > > 
> > > So, I've created new proof concept patch. This doesn't disable zone_reclaim
> > > at all. Instead, distinguish for file cache and for anon allocation and
> > > only file cache doesn't use zone-reclaim.
> > > 
> > > That said, high-end hpc user often turn on cpuset.memory_spread_page and
> > > they avoid this issue. But, why don't we consider avoid it by default?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Rob, I wonder if following patch help you. Could you please try it?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Subject: [RFC] vmscan: file cache doesn't use zone_reclaim by default
> > > 
> > 
> > Hm, can't we use migration of file caches rather than pageout in
> > zone_reclaim_mode ? Doent' it fix anything ?
> 
> Doesn't.
> 
> Two problem. 1) Migration makes copy. then it's slower than zone_reclaim=0
> 2) Migration is only effective if target node has much free pages. but it
> is not generic assumption.
> 
> For this case, zone_reclaim_mode=0 is best. my patch works as second best.
> your one works as third.
> 

Hmm. I'm not sure whether it's "slower" or not. And Migraion doesn't
assume target node because it can use zonelist fallback.

I'm just has concerns that kicked-out pages will be paged-in soon.

But ok, maybe complicated.

Thanks,
-Kame


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From: KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>
To: KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>
Cc: robm@fastmail.fm, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Bron Gondwana <brong@fastmail.fm>, linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Christoph Lameter <cl@linux-foundation.org>,
	Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>
Subject: Re: Default zone_reclaim_mode = 1 on NUMA kernel is bad for file/email/web servers
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 11:06:28 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100927110628.9bc97ea7.kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100927110417.6B34.A69D9226@jp.fujitsu.com>

On Mon, 27 Sep 2010 11:04:54 +0900 (JST)
KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com> wrote:

> > On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 19:01:32 +0900 (JST)
> > KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > Yes, sadly intel motherboard turn on zone_reclaim_mode by default. and
> > > current zone_reclaim_mode doesn't fit file/web server usecase ;-)
> > > 
> > > So, I've created new proof concept patch. This doesn't disable zone_reclaim
> > > at all. Instead, distinguish for file cache and for anon allocation and
> > > only file cache doesn't use zone-reclaim.
> > > 
> > > That said, high-end hpc user often turn on cpuset.memory_spread_page and
> > > they avoid this issue. But, why don't we consider avoid it by default?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Rob, I wonder if following patch help you. Could you please try it?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Subject: [RFC] vmscan: file cache doesn't use zone_reclaim by default
> > > 
> > 
> > Hm, can't we use migration of file caches rather than pageout in
> > zone_reclaim_mode ? Doent' it fix anything ?
> 
> Doesn't.
> 
> Two problem. 1) Migration makes copy. then it's slower than zone_reclaim=0
> 2) Migration is only effective if target node has much free pages. but it
> is not generic assumption.
> 
> For this case, zone_reclaim_mode=0 is best. my patch works as second best.
> your one works as third.
> 

Hmm. I'm not sure whether it's "slower" or not. And Migraion doesn't
assume target node because it can use zonelist fallback.

I'm just has concerns that kicked-out pages will be paged-in soon.

But ok, maybe complicated.

Thanks,
-Kame

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  reply	other threads:[~2010-09-27  2:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-09-13  3:39 Default zone_reclaim_mode = 1 on NUMA kernel is bad for file/email/web servers Robert Mueller
2010-09-16 10:01 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-09-16 10:01   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-09-16 17:06   ` Christoph Lameter
2010-09-16 17:06     ` Christoph Lameter
2010-09-17  0:50     ` Robert Mueller
2010-09-17  0:50       ` Robert Mueller
2010-09-17  6:01       ` Shaohua Li
2010-09-17  6:01         ` Shaohua Li
2010-09-17  7:32         ` Robert Mueller
2010-09-17  7:32           ` Robert Mueller
2010-09-17 13:56           ` Christoph Lameter
2010-09-17 13:56             ` Christoph Lameter
2010-09-17 14:09             ` Bron Gondwana
2010-09-17 14:09               ` Bron Gondwana
2010-09-17 14:22               ` Christoph Lameter
2010-09-17 14:22                 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-09-17 23:01                 ` Bron Gondwana
2010-09-17 23:01                   ` Bron Gondwana
2010-09-20  9:34   ` Mel Gorman
2010-09-20  9:34     ` Mel Gorman
2010-09-20 23:41     ` Default zone_reclaim_mode = 1 on NUMA kernel is bad forfile/email/web servers Rob Mueller
2010-09-20 23:41       ` Rob Mueller
2010-09-21  9:04       ` Mel Gorman
2010-09-21  9:04         ` Mel Gorman
2010-09-21 14:14         ` Christoph Lameter
2010-09-21 14:14           ` Christoph Lameter
2010-09-22  3:44           ` Rob Mueller
2010-09-22  3:44             ` Rob Mueller
2010-09-27  2:01         ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-09-27  2:01           ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-09-27 13:53           ` Christoph Lameter
2010-09-27 13:53             ` Christoph Lameter
2010-09-27 23:17             ` Robert Mueller
2010-09-27 23:17               ` Robert Mueller
2010-09-28 12:35               ` Christoph Lameter
2010-09-28 12:35                 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-09-28 12:42                 ` Bron Gondwana
2010-09-28 12:42                   ` Bron Gondwana
2010-09-28 12:49                   ` Christoph Lameter
2010-09-28 12:49                     ` Christoph Lameter
2010-09-30  7:05             ` Andi Kleen
2010-09-30  7:05               ` Andi Kleen
2010-10-04 12:45             ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-10-04 12:45               ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-10-04 13:07               ` Christoph Lameter
2010-10-04 13:07                 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-10-05  5:32                 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-10-05  5:32                   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-10-04 19:43               ` David Rientjes
2010-10-04 19:43                 ` David Rientjes
2010-09-21  1:05   ` Default zone_reclaim_mode = 1 on NUMA kernel is bad for file/email/web servers KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-09-21  1:05     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-09-27  2:04     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-09-27  2:04       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-09-27  2:06       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki [this message]
2010-09-27  2:06         ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-09-23 11:44   ` Balbir Singh
2010-09-23 11:44     ` Balbir Singh
2010-09-30  8:38   ` Bron Gondwana
2010-09-30  8:38     ` Bron Gondwana

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