* XFS Performance on NetApp
@ 2010-10-26 22:33 Michael Monnerie
2010-10-26 23:10 ` Dave Chinner
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From: Michael Monnerie @ 2010-10-26 22:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Does anybody have a report how XFS behaves on a NetApp storage with thin
provisioning? They have a completely "weird" storage, their WAFL (write
anywhere file layout) together with deduplication and other things make
me think the best is to not-at-all specify any "performance options" in
mkfs/mount, like sunit/swidth or largeio, swalloc, etc.
Does someone have information on that?
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* Re: XFS Performance on NetApp
2010-10-26 22:33 XFS Performance on NetApp Michael Monnerie
@ 2010-10-26 23:10 ` Dave Chinner
2010-10-26 23:57 ` Michael Monnerie
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From: Dave Chinner @ 2010-10-26 23:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Michael Monnerie; +Cc: xfs
On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 12:33:35AM +0200, Michael Monnerie wrote:
> Does anybody have a report how XFS behaves on a NetApp storage with thin
> provisioning? They have a completely "weird" storage, their WAFL (write
> anywhere file layout) together with deduplication and other things make
> me think the best is to not-at-all specify any "performance options" in
> mkfs/mount, like sunit/swidth or largeio, swalloc, etc.
>
> Does someone have information on that?
Not about the Netapp as such.
However, as a general rule thin provisioned storage will have
unpredictable performance characteristics as the block
number/physical location correlation is meaningless.
e.g. because the log is one of the first things written to a thinly
provisioned volume during mkfs, it is unlikely to be physically
located in the middle of the volume. Indeed, there's no guarantee
that it will even be on the same spindles as the rest of the
filesystem, and it may be sharing spindles with some other thin
volume....
So, you are right in assuming that it is best not to tune your
filesystem to a specific physical geometry because there generally
isn't one for thinly provisioned volumes. However, options that
reduce filesystem fragmentation (e.g. allocsize) still have value in
keeping the amount of metadata and ptotential seeks down...
Cheers,
Dave.
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* Re: XFS Performance on NetApp
2010-10-26 23:10 ` Dave Chinner
@ 2010-10-26 23:57 ` Michael Monnerie
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From: Michael Monnerie @ 2010-10-26 23:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: xfs, Dave Chinner
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On Mittwoch, 27. Oktober 2010 Dave Chinner wrote:
> However, options that
> reduce filesystem fragmentation (e.g. allocsize) still have value in
> keeping the amount of metadata and ptotential seeks down...
Yes, but for NetApp: maybe. With this whole deduplication thingy, I
wonder if even such a simple assumption is true. And then some people
make a snapshot every hour, whichmeans your log will wander around on
the storage anyway. So it's best to "just use it".
Another thing just crosses my mind: on a thin provisioned system, would
the TRIM command be useful? Do such storages recognise this command? It
would be very clever, I think. Let's say you run xfs_fsr, that would
allow the upper layer to relaim unused space. Would that be the storage
or XenServer/VMware which needs to understand this command?
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