[BUG?] push to mirrior interferes with parallel operations

[BUG?] push to mirrior interferes with parallel operations

[Jan Hudec]

Hello all,

I have a repository populated with git-svn. For backup I have
a mirror remote set up. Today I ran 'git push backup' on one
terminal and before it finished (it's just on a network
filesystem, so it's kind of slow), I ran 'git svn fetch' on
another. And than I didn't see any results of that fetch.

What happened is that the push took the values of all the
refs -- including those in refs/remotes/svn as it's a mirror
for pushing them to the backup. Meanwhile the fetch udpated
them. But when the push finished with the remote repo, it
updated the local refs back to the values it pushed, undoing
the effects of that fetch.

The repository was created with simple:

    git remote add --mirror backup /mnt/server/path/to/repo.git

which created configuration:

    [remote "backup"]
	url = /mnt/server/path/to/repo.git
	fetch = +refs/*:refs/*
	mirror = true

So, should the push be more careful when updating the refs,
not simulate the pull back when doing a --mirror, or the
git remote add not add the 'fetch = +refs/*:refs/*' line?

Thanks,
Jan

-- 
                                        - Jan Hudec <bulb@ucw.cz>

Re: [BUG?] push to mirrior interferes with parallel operations

[Jeff King]

On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 08:39:17AM +0100, Jan Hudec wrote:

> What happened is that the push took the values of all the
> refs -- including those in refs/remotes/svn as it's a mirror
> for pushing them to the backup. Meanwhile the fetch udpated
> them. But when the push finished with the remote repo, it
> updated the local refs back to the values it pushed, undoing
> the effects of that fetch.

Hrm. There are actually two issues here, I think.

What is happening, I believe, is that push is trying to
opportunistically update your local tracking branches.

So the first issue is that you do not have the usual branches-in-heads,
tracking-branches-in-remotes setup. Instead it is looking at your fetch
refspec:

>     [remote "backup"]
> 	url = /mnt/server/path/to/repo.git
> 	fetch = +refs/*:refs/*
> 	mirror = true

and trying to update everything in refs/* with what it just pushed.
Usually this is a no-op, since it is the same as the value we just
pushed, but as you found out, it is in a race with concurrent commands.

I think we don't want to be doing the opportunistic update in this case.
But what is the correct rule for deciding not to do it? I can think of a
few possibilities:

 1. When the mirror option is used. But this doesn't help people who
    have a broad fetch refspec they have configured without mirror.

 2. When the RHS of a fetch refspec is something that is being pushed.
    But this doesn't cover the case of pushing local "refs/heads/foo" to
    remote "refs/heads/bar", and then having it update "refs/heads/bar"
    locally.

 3. When the ref to be updated is not in refs/remotes. This feels a
    little hack-ish, but I think would work the best in practice. The
    refs/remotes hierarchy is supposed to just be a cache of remote
    state, so really it is the only place such an opportunistic update
    should be safe. People who are doing exotic things like fetching
    directly into refs/heads will have to live without the opportunistic
    update.

The second issue I mentioned is that transport_update_tracking_ref does
not actually check the old sha1 of the ref it is updating. The usual
practice in git to avoid holding long locks is:

  1. lock ref, read sha1, unlock ref
  2. do stuff to make a new sha1, remembering old sha1
  3. lock ref, read sha1, check that it equals old sha1, write new sha1,
     unlock

We don't do that here. It is tempting to do something like:

diff --git a/transport.c b/transport.c
index 0078660..02212fb 100644
--- a/transport.c
+++ b/transport.c
@@ -605,7 +605,7 @@ void transport_update_tracking_ref(struct remote *remote, struct ref *ref, int v
 			delete_ref(rs.dst, NULL, 0);
 		} else
 			update_ref("update by push", rs.dst,
-					ref->new_sha1, NULL, 0, 0);
+					ref->new_sha1, ref->old_sha1, 0, 0);
 		free(rs.dst);
 	}
 }

but that is not right. That is saying "if we updated the remote ref R
from A to B, update the tracking ref of R to B only if it is at A".
However, our tracking ref of R is not necessarily at A; it might be
stale with respect to upstream.

So really we would need to read the current value of the tracking ref at
the beginning of the push. But that is inefficient, and it is not
actually atomic with the push we are doing.

So I think it is OK to keep this the way it is, and assume that
update_tracking_ref is about overwriting whatever is there. The real
problem in your case is that the things it is overwriting are actually
precious heads, not just a remote cache.

-Peff

Re: [BUG?] push to mirrior interferes with parallel operations

[Jeff King]

On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 12:50:08PM -0500, Jeff King wrote:

> >     [remote "backup"]
> > 	url = /mnt/server/path/to/repo.git
> > 	fetch = +refs/*:refs/*
> > 	mirror = true
> 
> I think we don't want to be doing the opportunistic update in this case.
> But what is the correct rule for deciding not to do it? I can think of a
> few possibilities:

Thinking on this more, perhaps it really is the fetch refspec there that
is the problem (as you initially suggested).

It seems to me there are really two kinds of mirrors: one where you will
fetch everything from the remote, and one where you will push everything
to the remote.

You have the latter kind, and the fetch refspec is just causing
problems. Removing it would solve not only this issue, but also the fact
that you would never want to run "git fetch backup", even accidentally,
in your repo, as it would overwrite your local work.

So I think we need --mirror=push, or something similar.

-Peff

Re: [BUG?] push to mirrior interferes with parallel operations

[Jan Hudec]

On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 12:50:08 -0500, Jeff King wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 08:39:17AM +0100, Jan Hudec wrote:
> >
> What is happening, I believe, is that push is trying to
> opportunistically update your local tracking branches.

Indeed.

> So the first issue is that you do not have the usual branches-in-heads,
> tracking-branches-in-remotes setup. Instead it is looking at your fetch
> refspec:
> 
> >     [remote "backup"]
> > 	url = /mnt/server/path/to/repo.git
> > 	fetch = +refs/*:refs/*
> > 	mirror = true
> 
> and trying to update everything in refs/* with what it just pushed.
> Usually this is a no-op, since it is the same as the value we just
> pushed, but as you found out, it is in a race with concurrent commands.
> 
> I think we don't want to be doing the opportunistic update in this case.
> But what is the correct rule for deciding not to do it? I can think of a
> few possibilities:
> 
>  1. When the mirror option is used. But this doesn't help people who
>     have a broad fetch refspec they have configured without mirror.

The above config is what is created by default by 'git remote add --mirror'.
So I expect the problem to be somewhat common with mirror and a lot rarer
without.

Which brings the yet another question, namely whether it actually makes sense
to set the fetch for a mirror remote. Note that any call to fetch will almost
inevitably abort with "reusing to pull to checked out ref in non-bare
repository" error.

>  2. When the RHS of a fetch refspec is something that is being pushed.
>     But this doesn't cover the case of pushing local "refs/heads/foo" to
>     remote "refs/heads/bar", and then having it update "refs/heads/bar"
>     locally.
> 
>  3. When the ref to be updated is not in refs/remotes. This feels a
>     little hack-ish, but I think would work the best in practice. The
>     refs/remotes hierarchy is supposed to just be a cache of remote
>     state, so really it is the only place such an opportunistic update
>     should be safe. People who are doing exotic things like fetching
>     directly into refs/heads will have to live without the opportunistic
>     update.

In my case it wouldn't actually help. The race was between push to mirror and
fetch from actual upstream (which happened to be svn via git-svn, but it
would happen with git upstream too) and the incorrectly rewound ref was
'refs/remotes/svn/trunk'.

A combination of 2 *and* 3 would work. I.e. update only remotes and only if
they are not being pushed.

What would work on the other hand -- and be very conservative approach --
would be to only do oportunistic update if the fetch *option* has
'refs/remotes/<something>' on the right side.

> The second issue I mentioned is that transport_update_tracking_ref does
> not actually check the old sha1 of the ref it is updating. The usual
> practice in git to avoid holding long locks is:
> 
>   1. lock ref, read sha1, unlock ref
>   2. do stuff to make a new sha1, remembering old sha1
>   3. lock ref, read sha1, check that it equals old sha1, write new sha1,
>      unlock
> 
> We don't do that here.
> [...]
> So really we would need to read the current value of the tracking ref at
> the beginning of the push. But that is inefficient, and it is not
> actually atomic with the push we are doing.

Indeed, it does not sound reasonable. Plus I don't think it would actually do
what we want. In the case of pushing 'refs/heads/foo' -> 'refs/heads/bar' and
updating local 'refs/heads/bar', it's not clear whether it should be updated
or not.

In fact the problem is not in the race, but in the fact, that push updates
refs, that may have other purpose than tracking the particular remote. The
problem is in some cases we don't know whether a ref is purely tracking
*that* remote or not.

> So I think it is OK to keep this the way it is, and assume that
> update_tracking_ref is about overwriting whatever is there. The real
> problem in your case is that the things it is overwriting are actually
> precious heads, not just a remote cache.

Well, in my case it actually was a remote cache. But of different remote.

There are two common cases:

 1. The mirror case, where we don't want to do the oportunistic update at
    all.

 2. The regular case of remote tracking branches, in which case the
    'remote.<name>.fetch' option matches ".*:refs/remotes/[^*]+/.*"

and than there is a see of various strange hand-crafted setups, where it's
not obvious whether user actually wants the oportunistic update or not.

Thus I see two options to change the oportunistic update:

 1. Don't do oportunistic update with mirror. That keeps the other cases work
    as they do now. Hopefuly users are aware of the behaviour when they
    hand-craft such setups.

 2. Only do oportunistic update when the fetch specification matches
    ".*:refs/remotes/[^*]+/.*". That way oportunistic update will only happen
    if the remote has it's own section in refs/remotes, so we can assume
    nothing else is touching it.

and the third option (similar to the first, but done at different point):

 3. Don't set 'fetch' for mirror remotes in non-bare repositories, since
    non-bare repositories can't be treated as mirrors of something.

-- 
						 Jan 'Bulb' Hudec <bulb@ucw.cz>

Does it make sense to pull from mirror? (Re: [BUG?] push to mirrior interferes with parallel operations)

[Jan Hudec]

On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 12:58:11 -0500, Jeff King wrote:
> It seems to me there are really two kinds of mirrors: one where you will
> fetch everything from the remote, and one where you will push everything
> to the remote.
> 
> You have the latter kind, and the fetch refspec is just causing
> problems. Removing it would solve not only this issue, but also the fact
> that you would never want to run "git fetch backup", even accidentally,
> in your repo, as it would overwrite your local work.

Accidentally did it already. Fortunately it just died with something like
    "refusing to pull to checked out branch of non-bare repository"
and did nothing at all.
 
> So I think we need --mirror=push, or something similar.

Does it *ever* make sense to have a non-bare pull mirror. I think it does
not.

-- 
						 Jan 'Bulb' Hudec <bulb@ucw.cz>

Re: [BUG?] push to mirrior interferes with parallel operations

[Jeff King]

On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 07:42:41PM +0100, Jan Hudec wrote:

> The above config is what is created by default by 'git remote add --mirror'.
> So I expect the problem to be somewhat common with mirror and a lot rarer
> without.

Agreed, and I think just turning off the behavior with "mirror" might be
OK in practice. But I do want to consider whether we can make other
corner cases more sensible at the same time.

> Which brings the yet another question, namely whether it actually makes sense
> to set the fetch for a mirror remote. Note that any call to fetch will almost
> inevitably abort with "reusing to pull to checked out ref in non-bare
> repository" error.

Hmm. Yeah, of the "fetch vs push mirror" distinction I made earlier, it
really only makes sense to push from a non-bare repo, and to fetch into
a bare repo.

> [skip some thoughtful analysis which I agree with, but I think ends up
>  not being relevant]
>
> In fact the problem is not in the race, but in the fact, that push updates
> refs, that may have other purpose than tracking the particular remote. The
> problem is in some cases we don't know whether a ref is purely tracking
> *that* remote or not.

Yeah, you're right. I think the real problem is that we generally assume
that by putting something on the RHS of a fetch refspec, it is used just
for tracking the particular remote (especially when there is a "+" on
the front!).

So the real solution is not having that fetch line.

> and the third option (similar to the first, but done at different point):
> 
>  3. Don't set 'fetch' for mirror remotes in non-bare repositories, since
>     non-bare repositories can't be treated as mirrors of something.

Of all the options, this is my favorite. It does what we want in the
common cases, it's simple, and it still allows people to hand-config
crazy stuff if they want to.

It doesn't un-break people's existing repos, but I think we can accept
that (actually, the docs say that --mirror only makes sense in bare
repositories. Which I think is not true, as you demonstrate, but perhaps
it dissuaded people from creating broken push mirrors in the past :) ).

That does still leave one slight corner case, which is a bare repo that
is used for both fetch and push mirrors. E.g., a repo that straddles the
border between two networks might do:

  git init --bare
  git remote add --mirror network1 host.network1:foo.git
  git remote add --mirror network2 host.network2:foo.git

  git fetch network1
  git push network2

to relay commits. Both remotes will have the fetch refspec, as they are
in a bare repo. But only the first one wants it. In the second one, we
will update the heads as tracking refs. A simultaneous fetch/push would
be in conflict.

That is such an unlikely case that we can probably just leave it to be
hand-configured by anybody who really wants it. Or we can have:

  # adds fetch = refs/*:refs/*
  git remote add --mirror=fetch network1 host.network1:foo.git
  # adds push = refs/*:refs/*
  git remote add --mirror=push network2 host.network2:foo.git

and the default for --mirror (with no type) can be "fetch" in a bare repo
and "push" in a non-bare one.

-Peff

Re: Does it make sense to pull from mirror? (Re: [BUG?] push to mirrior interferes with parallel operations)

[Jeff King]

On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 07:49:04PM +0100, Jan Hudec wrote:

> > So I think we need --mirror=push, or something similar.
> 
> Does it *ever* make sense to have a non-bare pull mirror. I think it does
> not.

I don't think so. But it may make sense to have a bare push mirror, as I
mention in my other email. So we may still want to make it easy for the
user to specify.

-Peff

Re: [BUG?] push to mirrior interferes with parallel operations

[Andreas Schwab]

Jeff King <peff@peff.net> writes:

> it really only makes sense to push from a non-bare repo,

Why?  The repo could itself be a mirror.

Andreas.

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Re: [BUG?] push to mirrior interferes with parallel operations

[Jeff King]

On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 08:40:18PM +0100, Andreas Schwab wrote:

> Jeff King <peff@peff.net> writes:
> 
> > it really only makes sense to push from a non-bare repo,
> 
> Why?  The repo could itself be a mirror.

Why do you have a working directory if you are going to have a refspec
that overwrites HEAD behind your back (which, IIRC, git will simply barf
on, so all of your fetches will fail)?

Yes, you could do something complex like have a mirror that lives on a
detached HEAD and automagically updates the working tree based on some
particular ref. But at that point I think you are going to be setting up
.git/config manually, anyway. This is really about what default git "git
remote add --mirror" should set up.

-Peff

Re: [BUG?] push to mirrior interferes with parallel operations

[Andreas Schwab]

Jeff King <peff@peff.net> writes:

> On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 08:40:18PM +0100, Andreas Schwab wrote:
>
>> Jeff King <peff@peff.net> writes:
>> 
>> > it really only makes sense to push from a non-bare repo,
>> 
>> Why?  The repo could itself be a mirror.
>
> Why do you have a working directory if you are going to have a refspec
> that overwrites HEAD behind your back (which, IIRC, git will simply barf
> on, so all of your fetches will fail)?

I don't understand that question.  There is no working directory in a
bare repo.

Andreas.

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Re: [BUG?] push to mirrior interferes with parallel operations

[Jeff King]

On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 10:18:58PM +0100, Andreas Schwab wrote:

> Jeff King <peff@peff.net> writes:
> 
> > On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 08:40:18PM +0100, Andreas Schwab wrote:
> >
> >> Jeff King <peff@peff.net> writes:
> >> 
> >> > it really only makes sense to push from a non-bare repo,
> >> 
> >> Why?  The repo could itself be a mirror.
> >
> > Why do you have a working directory if you are going to have a refspec
> > that overwrites HEAD behind your back (which, IIRC, git will simply barf
> > on, so all of your fetches will fail)?
> 
> I don't understand that question.  There is no working directory in a
> bare repo.

Now I'm confused. I thought we were talking about non-bare repos. Can
you clarify your question?

-Peff

Re: [BUG?] push to mirrior interferes with parallel operations

[Andreas Schwab]

Jeff King <peff@peff.net> writes:

> On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 10:18:58PM +0100, Andreas Schwab wrote:
>
>> Jeff King <peff@peff.net> writes:
>> 
>> > On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 08:40:18PM +0100, Andreas Schwab wrote:
>> >
>> >> Jeff King <peff@peff.net> writes:
>> >> 
>> >> > it really only makes sense to push from a non-bare repo,
>> >> 
>> >> Why?  The repo could itself be a mirror.
>> >
>> > Why do you have a working directory if you are going to have a refspec
>> > that overwrites HEAD behind your back (which, IIRC, git will simply barf
>> > on, so all of your fetches will fail)?
>> 
>> I don't understand that question.  There is no working directory in a
>> bare repo.
>
> Now I'm confused. I thought we were talking about non-bare repos. Can
> you clarify your question?

You claim that pushing from a bare repo does not make sense, and I
question that (I do that all the time).

Andreas.

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Re: [BUG?] push to mirrior interferes with parallel operations

[Jonathan Nieder]

Andreas Schwab wrote:
> Jeff King <peff@peff.net> writes:

>> it really only makes sense to push from a non-bare repo,
>
> Why?  The repo could itself be a mirror.

Jeff seems to have meant

	When in a non-bare repo, it only makes sense to push.

which is to say, push --mirror makes sense from a bare repo but fetch
--mirror does not.  However, I think you read

	When pushing, it only makes sense to use a non-bare repo

to which a reasonable response is to point out that no, push --mirror
makes sense from a bare repo after all.

I see no disagreement here. :)

Re: [BUG?] push to mirrior interferes with parallel operations

[Jeff King]

On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 10:29:22PM +0100, Andreas Schwab wrote:

> Jeff King <peff@peff.net> writes:
> 
> > On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 10:18:58PM +0100, Andreas Schwab wrote:
> >
> >> Jeff King <peff@peff.net> writes:
> >> 
> >> > On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 08:40:18PM +0100, Andreas Schwab wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Jeff King <peff@peff.net> writes:
> >> >> 
> >> >> > it really only makes sense to push from a non-bare repo,
> >> >> 
> >> >> Why?  The repo could itself be a mirror.
> >> >
> >> > Why do you have a working directory if you are going to have a refspec
> >> > that overwrites HEAD behind your back (which, IIRC, git will simply barf
> >> > on, so all of your fetches will fail)?
> >> 
> >> I don't understand that question.  There is no working directory in a
> >> bare repo.
> >
> > Now I'm confused. I thought we were talking about non-bare repos. Can
> > you clarify your question?
> 
> You claim that pushing from a bare repo does not make sense, and I
> question that (I do that all the time).

It's hard to tell because you trimmed all of the context from my
statement, but:

  1. We are talking specifically about pushing to remotes configured
     using remote.*.mirror, and created via "git remote add --mirror".

  2. I think you are reading what I quoted as the converse of what I
     meant. You are saying "if bare, pushing does not make sense". But
     what I meant there was "if non-bare, only pushing makes sense".
     Which is why my initial response to you was so confused.

     That being said, the immediately following statement you didn't
     quote was "[only makes sense...] to fetch into a bare repo". Which
     is what you are saying, and I do think is oversimplistic. But...

  3. Much of the rest of my email goes on to explain a case where that
     simple rule is not true, and discusses the implications.

So yes. You can push from a bare repo, I agree. I think we need "git
remote add --mirror={fetch,push}" in order to handle all cases. But what
should "git remote --mirror" do? Be disallowed? Be a synonym for
--mirror=fetch (as it is now)? Guess based on bare/non-bare status?

-Peff

Re: [BUG?] push to mirrior interferes with parallel operations

[Jeff King]

On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 03:32:56PM -0600, Jonathan Nieder wrote:

> Andreas Schwab wrote:
> > Jeff King <peff@peff.net> writes:
> 
> >> it really only makes sense to push from a non-bare repo,
> >
> > Why?  The repo could itself be a mirror.
> 
> Jeff seems to have meant
> 
> 	When in a non-bare repo, it only makes sense to push.
> 
> which is to say, push --mirror makes sense from a bare repo but fetch
> --mirror does not.  However, I think you read

Yes, but s/bare/non-bare/ in your statement. :)

There is also more to it, see the other mail I just sent.

-Peff