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From: Charles Manning <manningc2@actrix.gen.nz>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	ryan@bluewatersys.com, akpm@linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/10] Add yaffs2 file system:  Fifth patchset
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 11:12:06 +1300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <201102171112.07101.manningc2@actrix.gen.nz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110216080419.GA21261@infradead.org>

Chrisoph

On Wednesday 16 February 2011 21:04:20 Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 07:22:47AM +1300, Charles Manning wrote:
> > Can you be a bit more specific?
>
> Just compare the mes in yaffs_linux.c with a normal linux filesystem.
> All that gross magic nfsd detection in readdir could have been removed
> long ago.  ->readlink should not be implemented by a normal filesystem
> but use generic_readlink,

Fair comment. I'm sure there are better ways to handle that.

> the fs-specific inode should embedd the vfs 
> inode instead of requiring two allocations,

The approach used here significantly reduces memory footprint. 
The yaffs inodes (== yaffs objects) live all the time while the vfs inodes 
come and go. It is far better to just link these together when in use.

> tons of useless function 
> pointer indirections like sb_dirty_fn and the put_super_fn really must
> go away.  

Ok.

> The procfs interfaces should be replaced by something saner, 
> the insane amount of ad-hoc tracing crap should be replaced by much
> less strategically placed trace events, and all those stupid compile
> time options have absolutely no business at all beeing there for a
> filesystem - 

Why not?

> remember you can get media from all over the place. 

No you can't. This is a flash file system for soldered down flash. I think 
that is a fundamental place where your understanding of what yaffs is falls 
down.

> If you can't encode these difference in your on-disk format it has
> absolutely no business going into mainline with this format.

Yaffs does not really have an on-disk format like most other fs do.

> And last but not least there's no way we'll merge a filesystem with a
> global mutex and all kinds of hacky release and reaquire semantics
> these days. 

I could change the locking but that would require considerable work.

> I really think you need to get back to the drawing board. 

I'm starting to think that the distance from where yaffs is now to what people 
will accept into the kernel tree might be quite large.

I might just be easier to walk away from the mainlining effort. Yaffs is a 
highly successful and useful fs and very easy to patch in to a kernel. People 
could continue to use it that way as they have for the last 9 ears or so.

-- Charles




  reply	other threads:[~2011-02-16 22:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-02-09  3:25 [PATCH 0/10] Add yaffs2 file system: Fifth patchset Charles Manning
2011-02-09  3:25 ` [PATCH 01/10] Add yaffs2 file system: allocators, bitmap and block handling Charles Manning
2011-02-09  3:26 ` [PATCH 02/10] Add yaffs2 file system: attrib and xattrib handling Charles Manning
2011-02-09 22:33   ` Ryan Mallon
2011-02-09  3:26 ` [PATCH 03/10] Add yaffs2 file system: checkpoint streaming Charles Manning
2011-02-10 22:27   ` Jesper Juhl
2011-02-10 22:44     ` Ryan Mallon
2011-02-10 22:50       ` Charles Manning
2011-02-09  3:26 ` [PATCH 04/10] Add yaffs2 file system: flash interface and ecc handling Charles Manning
2011-02-09  3:26 ` [PATCH 05/10] Add yaffs2 file system: tags handling Charles Manning
2011-02-09  3:26 ` [PATCH 06/10] Add yaffs2 file system: tracing and verification handling Charles Manning
2011-02-11 23:01   ` Ryan Mallon
2011-02-09  3:26 ` [PATCH 07/10] Add yaffs2 file system: yaffs1 and yaffs2 mode handling Charles Manning
2011-02-09  3:26 ` [PATCH 08/10] Add yaffs2 file system: core guts code Charles Manning
2011-02-10  2:27   ` Ryan Mallon
2011-02-09  3:26 ` [PATCH 09/10] Add yaffs2 file system: Linux glue code Charles Manning
2011-02-10 22:07   ` Ryan Mallon
2011-02-10 22:47     ` Charles Manning
2011-02-17 22:24   ` Ryan Mallon
2011-02-09  3:26 ` [PATCH 10/10] Add yaffs2 file system: hok in to Linux tree Charles Manning
2011-02-09  4:52 ` [PATCH 0/10] Add yaffs2 file system: Fifth patchset Christoph Hellwig
2011-02-09 18:22   ` Charles Manning
2011-02-16  8:04     ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-02-16 22:12       ` Charles Manning [this message]
2011-02-17  1:48         ` Mark Brown
2011-02-17  2:31           ` Charles Manning
2011-02-17  2:52             ` Ryan Mallon
2011-02-17  3:49               ` Charles Manning
2011-02-17 23:41                 ` Greg KH
2011-02-18  0:01                   ` Mark Brown
2011-02-18  0:33                     ` Greg KH
2011-02-18  0:43                       ` Mark Brown
2011-02-18  0:55                         ` Ryan Mallon
2011-02-18  0:58                           ` Greg KH
2011-02-20 17:25                             ` Charles Manning
2011-02-20 20:07                               ` Greg KH
2011-02-20 20:52                                 ` Ryan Mallon
2011-02-20 22:29                                   ` Greg KH
2011-02-20 22:57                                     ` Ryan Mallon
2011-02-18  1:08                           ` Mark Brown
2011-02-17  3:49             ` Mark Brown
2011-02-17  4:22               ` Charles Manning
2011-02-17  6:08                 ` Mark Brown
2011-02-19 17:45         ` Pavel Machek
2011-08-17 12:12 ` Linus Walleij

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