regression - 2.6.36 -> 2.6.37 - kvm - 32bit SMP guests don't boot

regression - 2.6.36 -> 2.6.37 - kvm - 32bit SMP guests don't boot

[Nikola Ciprich]

Hello Avi et al,
seems like I've hit regression in 2.6.37:
32bit SMP centos guest stopped booting, they just hang during initrd phase. (haven't tried
different distros)
UP guest are OK.
when I (forcibly) compiled kvm-kmod-2.6.36.2 and used it in 2.6.37, even
the SMP guests boot fine.
does somebody have a tip on where the problem could be, or should I bisect this?
I tried on 2 different machines, host is x86_64, qemu-kvm 0.13.0, 0.14.0.
If I shall provide more information (or bisect), please let me know.
cheers!
nik


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Re: regression - 2.6.36 -> 2.6.37 - kvm - 32bit SMP guests don't boot

[Avi Kivity]

On 02/24/2011 01:42 AM, Nikola Ciprich wrote:
> Hello Avi et al,
> seems like I've hit regression in 2.6.37:
> 32bit SMP centos guest stopped booting, they just hang during initrd phase. (haven't tried
> different distros)
> UP guest are OK.
> when I (forcibly) compiled kvm-kmod-2.6.36.2 and used it in 2.6.37, even
> the SMP guests boot fine.
> does somebody have a tip on where the problem could be, or should I bisect this?
> I tried on 2 different machines, host is x86_64, qemu-kvm 0.13.0, 0.14.0.
> If I shall provide more information (or bisect), please let me know.

Bisect is of course great, if laborious.  Meanwhile can you post 'info 
registers' for all cpus?  Is the guest consuming cpu?  kvm_stat output?

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Re: regression - 2.6.36 -> 2.6.37 - kvm - 32bit SMP guests don't boot

[Nikola Ciprich]

On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 12:17:40PM +0200, Avi Kivity wrote:
> On 02/24/2011 01:42 AM, Nikola Ciprich wrote:
>> Hello Avi et al,
>> seems like I've hit regression in 2.6.37:
>> 32bit SMP centos guest stopped booting, they just hang during initrd phase. (haven't tried
>> different distros)
>> UP guest are OK.
>> when I (forcibly) compiled kvm-kmod-2.6.36.2 and used it in 2.6.37, even
>> the SMP guests boot fine.
>> does somebody have a tip on where the problem could be, or should I bisect this?
>> I tried on 2 different machines, host is x86_64, qemu-kvm 0.13.0, 0.14.0.
>> If I shall provide more information (or bisect), please let me know.
>
> Bisect is of course great, if laborious.  Meanwhile can you post 'info  
> registers' for all cpus?  Is the guest consuming cpu?  kvm_stat output?
yes, it's eating 100% of one CPU core.

kvm_stat for few seconds (hunged guest is the only one running on the host):

 kvm_entry                                    29327    9091
 kvm_exit                                     29357    9090
 kvm_inj_virq                                 24588    7609
 kvm_apic_accept_irq                          17146    5310
 kvm_emulate_insn                             12682    3931
 kvm_apic                                     12530    3879
 kvm_mmio                                     12525    3879
 kvm_exit(APIC_ACCESS)                        12525    3879
 kvm_exit(HLT)                                11262    3466
 kvm_ioapic_set_irq                            6532    2024
 kvm_set_irq                                   6538    2024
 kvm_pic_set_irq                               6536    2024
 kvm_exit(EXTERNAL_INTERRUPT)                  4255    1300
 kvm_ack_irq                                   2442     756
 kvm_exit(PENDING_INTERRUPT)                   1030     335
 kvm_exit(IO_INSTRUCTION)                       313     104
 kvm_pio                                        312     104
 kvm_age_page                                    18	  6
 kvm_exit(EPT_VIOLATION)                         14       4
 kvm_page_fault                                  12	  4
 kvm_exit(INVALID_STATE)                          4	  0
 kvm_exit(VMLAUNCH)                               3	  0
 kvm_exit(CPUID)                                  3	  0
 kvm_exit(DR_ACCESS)                              2       0
 kvm_exit(MSR_READ)                               2       0
 kvm_exit(PAUSE_INSTRUCTION)                      1       0

info registers:
EAX=00000000 EBX=6a000000 ECX=0000000a EDX=000f41a8
ESI=000f41a8 EDI=00000000 EBP=c0690320 ESP=c0769f58
EIP=c042d137 EFL=00000002 [-------] CPL=0 II=0 A20=1 SMM=0 HLT=0
ES =007b 00000000 ffffffff 00c0f300 DPL=3 DS   [-WA]
CS =0060 00000000 ffffffff 00c09b00 DPL=0 CS32 [-RA]
SS =0068 00000000 ffffffff 00c09300 DPL=0 DS   [-WA]
DS =007b 00000000 ffffffff 00c0f300 DPL=3 DS   [-WA]
FS =0000 00000000 ffffffff 00000000
GS =0000 00000000 ffffffff 00000000
LDT=0088 c0747020 00000027 00008200 DPL=0 LDT
TR =0080 c300f380 00002073 00008b00 DPL=0 TSS32-busy
GDT=     c302b000 000000ff
IDT=     c06f7000 000007ff
CR0=8005003b CR2=ffc46000 CR3=00743000 CR4=000006d0
DR0=0000000000000000 DR1=0000000000000000 DR2=0000000000000000 DR3=0000000000000000 
DR6=00000000ffff0ff0 DR7=0000000000000400
EFER=0000000000000000
FCW=037f FSW=0000 [ST=0] FTW=00 MXCSR=00001f80
FPR0=0000000000000000 0000 FPR1=0000000000000000 0000
FPR2=0000000000000000 0000 FPR3=0000000000000000 0000
FPR4=0000000000000000 0000 FPR5=0000000000000000 0000
FPR6=800bf60000000000 4015 FPR7=0000000000000000 0000
XMM00=00000000000000000000000000000000 XMM01=00000000000000000000000000000000
XMM02=00000000000000000000000000000000 XMM03=00000000000000000000000000000000
XMM04=00000000000000000000000000000000 XMM05=00000000000000000000000000000000
XMM06=00000000000000000000000000000000 XMM07=00000000000000000000000000000000

I'll wait a bit with bisect whether You'll spot some obvious bug or not ;)
thanks for Your time!

PS: I still owe You the kvm_stat comparison about this slow windows chkdsk problem,
I'm aware of it, I just had to postpone this due to more urgent matters :(
but I'll get back to it sooner or later..

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Re: regression - 2.6.36 -> 2.6.37 - kvm - 32bit SMP guests don't boot

[Avi Kivity]

On 02/24/2011 12:48 PM, Nikola Ciprich wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 12:17:40PM +0200, Avi Kivity wrote:
> >  On 02/24/2011 01:42 AM, Nikola Ciprich wrote:
> >>  Hello Avi et al,
> >>  seems like I've hit regression in 2.6.37:
> >>  32bit SMP centos guest stopped booting, they just hang during initrd phase. (haven't tried
> >>  different distros)
> >>  UP guest are OK.
> >>  when I (forcibly) compiled kvm-kmod-2.6.36.2 and used it in 2.6.37, even
> >>  the SMP guests boot fine.
> >>  does somebody have a tip on where the problem could be, or should I bisect this?
> >>  I tried on 2 different machines, host is x86_64, qemu-kvm 0.13.0, 0.14.0.
> >>  If I shall provide more information (or bisect), please let me know.
> >
> >  Bisect is of course great, if laborious.  Meanwhile can you post 'info
> >  registers' for all cpus?  Is the guest consuming cpu?  kvm_stat output?
> yes, it's eating 100% of one CPU core.
>
> kvm_stat for few seconds (hunged guest is the only one running on the host):
>
>   kvm_entry                                    29327    9091
>   kvm_exit                                     29357    9090
>   kvm_inj_virq                                 24588    7609
>   kvm_apic_accept_irq                          17146    5310
>   kvm_emulate_insn                             12682    3931
>   kvm_apic                                     12530    3879
>   kvm_mmio                                     12525    3879
>   kvm_exit(APIC_ACCESS)                        12525    3879
>   kvm_exit(HLT)                                11262    3466
>   kvm_ioapic_set_irq                            6532    2024
>   kvm_set_irq                                   6538    2024
>   kvm_pic_set_irq                               6536    2024
>   kvm_exit(EXTERNAL_INTERRUPT)                  4255    1300
>   kvm_ack_irq                                   2442     756
>   kvm_exit(PENDING_INTERRUPT)                   1030     335
>   kvm_exit(IO_INSTRUCTION)                       313     104
>   kvm_pio                                        312     104
>   kvm_age_page                                    18	  6
>   kvm_exit(EPT_VIOLATION)                         14       4
>   kvm_page_fault                                  12	  4
>   kvm_exit(INVALID_STATE)                          4	  0
>   kvm_exit(VMLAUNCH)                               3	  0
>   kvm_exit(CPUID)                                  3	  0
>   kvm_exit(DR_ACCESS)                              2       0
>   kvm_exit(MSR_READ)                               2       0
>   kvm_exit(PAUSE_INSTRUCTION)                      1       0
>

Guest is churning along.

> info registers:
> EAX=00000000 EBX=6a000000 ECX=0000000a EDX=000f41a8
> ESI=000f41a8 EDI=00000000 EBP=c0690320 ESP=c0769f58
> EIP=c042d137 EFL=00000002 [-------] CPL=0 II=0 A20=1 SMM=0 HLT=0
>

Not very useful when the guest is making progress, I'm afraid.

> I'll wait a bit with bisect whether You'll spot some obvious bug or not ;)
> thanks for Your time!

Can you try a little trace-cmd -e kvm -b 20000?

> PS: I still owe You the kvm_stat comparison about this slow windows chkdsk problem,
> I'm aware of it, I just had to postpone this due to more urgent matters :(
> but I'll get back to it sooner or later..

Sure.  Something similar that came up - sometimes Windows IDE drivers 
fall back to PIO mode.  Are you using IDE?  If so, please check whether 
it's using DMA or PIO.

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Re: regression - 2.6.36 -> 2.6.37 - kvm - 32bit SMP guests don't boot

[Nikola Ciprich]

> Not very useful when the guest is making progress, I'm afraid.
can perf report help here?

> Can you try a little trace-cmd -e kvm -b 20000?
ugh, I'm afraid I'll have some dumb questions here :-[
You mean this: git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/rostedt/trace-cmd.git ?
and then re-execute qemu-kvm using it? or I'm totally wrong?

> Sure.  Something similar that came up - sometimes Windows IDE drivers  
> fall back to PIO mode.  Are you using IDE?  If so, please check whether  
> it's using DMA or PIO.
I'll check, but this problem occurs only during fsck phase, when to guest boots, then it runs pretty fast..
so maybe during boot it might fall back to PIO, but from guest, I guess I won't have a chance
to find out.. can I somehow check it from host?
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Re: regression - 2.6.36 -> 2.6.37 - kvm - 32bit SMP guests don't boot

[Avi Kivity]

On 02/24/2011 01:27 PM, Nikola Ciprich wrote:
> >  Not very useful when the guest is making progress, I'm afraid.
> can perf report help here?
>
> >  Can you try a little trace-cmd -e kvm -b 20000?
> ugh, I'm afraid I'll have some dumb questions here :-[
> You mean this: git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/rostedt/trace-cmd.git ?

Yes.  If you have udis86 and udis86-devel installed when building it, 
it's even better.

> and then re-execute qemu-kvm using it? or I'm totally wrong?

You don't have to execute qemu-kvm under it, if you have a running 
instance you can run trace-cmd in parallel and it will record whatever's 
happening.

> >  Sure.  Something similar that came up - sometimes Windows IDE drivers
> >  fall back to PIO mode.  Are you using IDE?  If so, please check whether
> >  it's using DMA or PIO.
> I'll check, but this problem occurs only during fsck phase, when to guest boots, then it runs pretty fast..
> so maybe during boot it might fall back to PIO, but from guest, I guess I won't have a chance
> to find out.. can I somehow check it from host?

The trace-cmd output will show.  Please run trace-cmd report afterwards 
and post the results somewhere.


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Re: regression - 2.6.36 -> 2.6.37 - kvm - 32bit SMP guests don't boot

[Nikola Ciprich]

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> Yes.  If you have udis86 and udis86-devel installed when building it,  
> it's even better.
yes, now I remember! I've done some tracing for You already..

> You don't have to execute qemu-kvm under it, if you have a running  
> instance you can run trace-cmd in parallel and it will record whatever's  
> happening.
I've uploaded the report for You here:
nelide.cz/downloads/nik/report.txt.xz

> The trace-cmd output will show.  Please run trace-cmd report afterwards  
> and post the results somewhere.
OK, I'll prepare some new windows testing machine, try and report..

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Re: regression - 2.6.36 -> 2.6.37 - kvm - 32bit SMP guests don't boot

[Avi Kivity]

On 02/24/2011 02:41 PM, Nikola Ciprich wrote:
> >  Yes.  If you have udis86 and udis86-devel installed when building it,
> >  it's even better.
> yes, now I remember! I've done some tracing for You already..
>
> >  You don't have to execute qemu-kvm under it, if you have a running
> >  instance you can run trace-cmd in parallel and it will record whatever's
> >  happening.
> I've uploaded the report for You here:
> nelide.cz/downloads/nik/report.txt.xz
>

The only activity I can see is the timer interrupt, so I'm afraid a 
bisect is needed.

If you let git bisect just kvm, it'll be a bit faster:

$ git bisect $BAD $GOOD virt/kvm arch/x86/kvm

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Re: regression - 2.6.36 -> 2.6.37 - kvm - 32bit SMP guests don't boot

[Nikola Ciprich]

> The only activity I can see is the timer interrupt, so I'm afraid a  
> bisect is needed.
OK, nevermind, it's easy to reproduce, so I'll just bisect it and report.
n.


>
> If you let git bisect just kvm, it'll be a bit faster:
>
> $ git bisect $BAD $GOOD virt/kvm arch/x86/kvm
>
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Re: regression - 2.6.36 -> 2.6.37 - kvm - 32bit SMP guests don't boot

[Nikola Ciprich]

(CC: Zachary)

Hello,
Zachary, in case You haven't noticed the thread, we're trying
to find out the reason why 32bit SMP guests stopped working
in 2.6.37. 
bisect shows this as the culprit:

e48672fa25e879f7ae21785c7efd187738139593 is first bad commit
commit e48672fa25e879f7ae21785c7efd187738139593
Author: Zachary Amsden <zamsden@redhat.com>
Date:   Thu Aug 19 22:07:23 2010 -1000

    KVM: x86: Unify TSC logic
    
    Move the TSC control logic from the vendor backends into x86.c
    by adding adjust_tsc_offset to x86 ops.  Now all TSC decisions
    can be done in one place.
    
    Signed-off-by: Zachary Amsden <zamsden@redhat.com>
    Signed-off-by: Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>

Unfortunately I couldn't try 2.6.37 with just this one reverted, certainly
other patches rely on it, but hopefully I've not screwed something while bisecting...

so what now?
n.

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Re: regression - 2.6.36 -> 2.6.37 - kvm - 32bit SMP guests don't boot

[Zachary Amsden]

On 02/25/2011 05:48 AM, Nikola Ciprich wrote:
> (CC: Zachary)
>
> Hello,
> Zachary, in case You haven't noticed the thread, we're trying
> to find out the reason why 32bit SMP guests stopped working
> in 2.6.37.
> bisect shows this as the culprit:
>    

I was not aware of the thread.  Please cc me directly, or add a keyword 
I track - timekeeping, TSC..

> e48672fa25e879f7ae21785c7efd187738139593 is first bad commit
> commit e48672fa25e879f7ae21785c7efd187738139593
> Author: Zachary Amsden<zamsden@redhat.com>
> Date:   Thu Aug 19 22:07:23 2010 -1000
>
>      KVM: x86: Unify TSC logic
>
>      Move the TSC control logic from the vendor backends into x86.c
>      by adding adjust_tsc_offset to x86 ops.  Now all TSC decisions
>      can be done in one place.
>
>      Signed-off-by: Zachary Amsden<zamsden@redhat.com>
>      Signed-off-by: Marcelo Tosatti<mtosatti@redhat.com>
>    

That change alone may not bisect well; without further fixes on top of 
it, you may end up with a hang or stall, which is likely to manifest in 
a vendor-specific way.

Basically there were a few differences in the platform code about how 
TSC was dealt with on systems which did not have stable clocks, this 
brought the logic into one location, but there was a slight change to 
the logic here.

Note very carefully, the logic on SVM is gated by a condition before 
this change:

         if (unlikely(cpu != vcpu->cpu)) {
-               u64 delta;
-
-               if (check_tsc_unstable()) {
-                       /*
-                        * Make sure that the guest sees a monotonically
-                        * increasing TSC.
-                        */
-                       delta = vcpu->arch.host_tsc - native_read_tsc();
-                       svm->vmcb->control.tsc_offset += delta;
-                       if (is_nested(svm))
-                               svm->nested.hsave->control.tsc_offset += 
delta;
-               }
-               vcpu->cpu = cpu;
-               kvm_migrate_timers(vcpu);


So this only happens with a system which reports TSC as unstable.  After 
the change, KVM itself may report the TSC as unstable:

+       if (unlikely(vcpu->cpu != cpu)) {
+               /* Make sure TSC doesn't go backwards */
+               s64 tsc_delta = !vcpu->arch.last_host_tsc ? 0 :
+                               native_read_tsc() - 
vcpu->arch.last_host_tsc;
+               if (tsc_delta < 0)
+                       mark_tsc_unstable("KVM discovered backwards TSC");
+               if (check_tsc_unstable())
+                       kvm_x86_ops->adjust_tsc_offset(vcpu, -tsc_delta);
+               kvm_migrate_timers(vcpu);
+               vcpu->cpu = cpu;
+       }

If the platform has very small TSC deltas across CPUs, but indicates the 
TSC is stable, this could result in KVM marking the TSC unstable.  If 
that is the case, this compensation logic will kick in to avoid 
backwards TSCs.

Note however, that the logic is not perfect; time which passes while not 
running on any CPU will be erased, as the delta compensation removes not 
just backwards, but any elapsed time from the TSC.  In extreme cases, 
this could result in time appearing to stand still.... with guests 
failing to boot.

This was addressed with a later change, which catches up the missing time:

commit c285545f813d7b0ce989fd34e42ad1fe785dc65d
Author: Zachary Amsden <zamsden@redhat.com>
Date:   Sat Sep 18 14:38:15 2010 -1000

     KVM: x86: TSC catchup mode

     Negate the effects of AN TYM spell while kvm thread is preempted by 
tracking
     conversion factor to the highest TSC rate and catching the TSC up 
when it has
     fallen behind the kernel view of time.  Note that once triggered, 
we don't
     turn off catchup mode.

     A slightly more clever version of this is possible, which only does 
catchup
     when TSC rate drops, and which specifically targets only CPUs with 
broken
     TSC, but since these all are considered unstable_tsc(), this patch 
covers
     all necessary cases.

     Signed-off-by: Zachary Amsden <zamsden@redhat.com>
     Signed-off-by: Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>

Re: regression - 2.6.36 -> 2.6.37 - kvm - 32bit SMP guests don't boot

[Nikola Ciprich]

> I was not aware of the thread.  Please cc me directly, or add a keyword  
> I track - timekeeping, TSC..
Hello Zachary, thanks for Your time looking at this!
> That change alone may not bisect well; without further fixes on top of  
> it, you may end up with a hang or stall, which is likely to manifest in  
> a vendor-specific way.
I'm not sure I really understand You here, but this change is exactly to
what I got while bisecting. With later revisions, including this one,
32bit SMP guests don't boot, before it, they do..
>
> Basically there were a few differences in the platform code about how  
> TSC was dealt with on systems which did not have stable clocks, this  
> brought the logic into one location, but there was a slight change to  
> the logic here.
>
> Note very carefully, the logic on SVM is gated by a condition before  
> this change:
>
>         if (unlikely(cpu != vcpu->cpu)) {
> -               u64 delta;
> -
> -               if (check_tsc_unstable()) {
> -                       /*
> -                        * Make sure that the guest sees a monotonically
> -                        * increasing TSC.
> -                        */
> -                       delta = vcpu->arch.host_tsc - native_read_tsc();
> -                       svm->vmcb->control.tsc_offset += delta;
> -                       if (is_nested(svm))
> -                               svm->nested.hsave->control.tsc_offset +=  
> delta;
> -               }
> -               vcpu->cpu = cpu;
> -               kvm_migrate_timers(vcpu);
>
>
> So this only happens with a system which reports TSC as unstable.  After  
> the change, KVM itself may report the TSC as unstable:
>
> +       if (unlikely(vcpu->cpu != cpu)) {
> +               /* Make sure TSC doesn't go backwards */
> +               s64 tsc_delta = !vcpu->arch.last_host_tsc ? 0 :
> +                               native_read_tsc() -  
> vcpu->arch.last_host_tsc;
> +               if (tsc_delta < 0)
> +                       mark_tsc_unstable("KVM discovered backwards TSC");
> +               if (check_tsc_unstable())
> +                       kvm_x86_ops->adjust_tsc_offset(vcpu, -tsc_delta);
> +               kvm_migrate_timers(vcpu);
> +               vcpu->cpu = cpu;
> +       }
>
> If the platform has very small TSC deltas across CPUs, but indicates the  
> TSC is stable, this could result in KVM marking the TSC unstable.  If  
> that is the case, this compensation logic will kick in to avoid  
> backwards TSCs.
>
> Note however, that the logic is not perfect; time which passes while not  
> running on any CPU will be erased, as the delta compensation removes not  
> just backwards, but any elapsed time from the TSC.  In extreme cases,  
> this could result in time appearing to stand still.... with guests  
> failing to boot.
>
> This was addressed with a later change, which catches up the missing time:
>
> commit c285545f813d7b0ce989fd34e42ad1fe785dc65d
yes, but this change is already included in 2.6.37, so maybe some other fix is needed?
if You have some idea what could be changed, I'll gladly test whatever You recommend,
but I'm afraid that's all I can do, since this is a bit of a rocket science for me, sorry :(
nik




> Author: Zachary Amsden <zamsden@redhat.com>
> Date:   Sat Sep 18 14:38:15 2010 -1000
>
>     KVM: x86: TSC catchup mode
>
>     Negate the effects of AN TYM spell while kvm thread is preempted by  
> tracking
>     conversion factor to the highest TSC rate and catching the TSC up  
> when it has
>     fallen behind the kernel view of time.  Note that once triggered, we 
> don't
>     turn off catchup mode.
>
>     A slightly more clever version of this is possible, which only does  
> catchup
>     when TSC rate drops, and which specifically targets only CPUs with  
> broken
>     TSC, but since these all are considered unstable_tsc(), this patch  
> covers
>     all necessary cases.
>
>     Signed-off-by: Zachary Amsden <zamsden@redhat.com>
>     Signed-off-by: Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>
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Re: regression - 2.6.36 -> 2.6.37 - kvm - 32bit SMP guests don't boot

[Zachary Amsden]

On 02/27/2011 12:20 PM, Nikola Ciprich wrote:
>> I was not aware of the thread.  Please cc me directly, or add a keyword
>> I track - timekeeping, TSC..
>>      
> Hello Zachary, thanks for Your time looking at this!
>    
>> That change alone may not bisect well; without further fixes on top of
>> it, you may end up with a hang or stall, which is likely to manifest in
>> a vendor-specific way.
>>      
> I'm not sure I really understand You here, but this change is exactly to
> what I got while bisecting. With later revisions, including this one,
> 32bit SMP guests don't boot, before it, they do..
>    

Does the bug you are hitting manifest on both Intel and AMD platforms?

Further, do the systems you are hitting this on have stable or unstable 
TSCs?

Thanks,

Zach

Re: regression - 2.6.36 -> 2.6.37 - kvm - 32bit SMP guests don't boot

[Nikola Ciprich]

> Does the bug you are hitting manifest on both Intel and AMD platforms?
I don't have any AMD box here, I'll try this out at my home box.

>
> Further, do the systems you are hitting this on have stable or unstable  
> TSCs?
how do I find this out? I don't see any warning about TSC in guest, but I've
just started it..
n.



>
> Thanks,
>
> Zach
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Re: regression - 2.6.36 -> 2.6.37 - kvm - 32bit SMP guests don't boot

[Zachary Amsden]

On 02/28/2011 09:32 AM, Nikola Ciprich wrote:
>> Does the bug you are hitting manifest on both Intel and AMD platforms?
>>      
> I don't have any AMD box here, I'll try this out at my home box.
>
>    
>> Further, do the systems you are hitting this on have stable or unstable
>> TSCs?
>>      
> how do I find this out? I don't see any warning about TSC in guest, but I've
> just started it..
> n.

Before worrying about the guest, is the host TSC stable?  What is the 
host clocksource?

Re: regression - 2.6.36 -> 2.6.37 - kvm - 32bit SMP guests don't boot

[Nikola Ciprich]

On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 10:17:24AM -0500, Zachary Amsden wrote:
> On 02/28/2011 09:32 AM, Nikola Ciprich wrote:
>>> Does the bug you are hitting manifest on both Intel and AMD platforms?
>>>      
>> I don't have any AMD box here, I'll try this out at my home box.
>>
>>    
>>> Further, do the systems you are hitting this on have stable or unstable
>>> TSCs?
>>>      
>> how do I find this out? I don't see any warning about TSC in guest, but I've
>> just started it..
>> n.
>
> Before worrying about the guest, is the host TSC stable?  What is the  
> host clocksource?
not sure, I'm not setting anything specifically, is this snippet of dmesg relevant:

[    1.148829] HPET: 8 timers in total, 5 timers will be used for per-cpu timer
[    1.148934] hpet0: at MMIO 0xfed00000, IRQs 2, 8, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 0
[    1.149331] hpet0: 8 comparators, 64-bit 14.318180 MHz counter
[    1.151831] hpet: hpet2 irq 40 for MSI
[    1.151962] hpet: hpet3 irq 41 for MSI
[    1.155930] hpet: hpet4 irq 42 for MSI
[    1.159937] hpet: hpet5 irq 43 for MSI
[    1.163943] hpet: hpet6 irq 44 for MSI
[    1.175955] Switching to clocksource tsc

so I guess I'm using hpet?
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Re: regression - 2.6.36 -> 2.6.37 - kvm - 32bit SMP guests don't boot

[Zachary Amsden]

>
> On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 10:17:24AM -0500, Zachary Amsden wrote:
>    
>> On 02/28/2011 09:32 AM, Nikola Ciprich wrote:
>>      
>>>> Does the bug you are hitting manifest on both Intel and AMD platforms?
>>>>
>>>>          
>>> I don't have any AMD box here, I'll try this out at my home box.
>>>
>>>
>>>        
>>>> Further, do the systems you are hitting this on have stable or unstable
>>>> TSCs?
>>>>
>>>>          
>>> how do I find this out? I don't see any warning about TSC in guest, but I've
>>> just started it..
>>> n.
>>>        
>> Before worrying about the guest, is the host TSC stable?  What is the
>> host clocksource?
>>      
> not sure, I'm not setting anything specifically, is this snippet of dmesg relevant:
>
> [    1.148829] HPET: 8 timers in total, 5 timers will be used for per-cpu timer
> [    1.148934] hpet0: at MMIO 0xfed00000, IRQs 2, 8, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 0
> [    1.149331] hpet0: 8 comparators, 64-bit 14.318180 MHz counter
> [    1.151831] hpet: hpet2 irq 40 for MSI
> [    1.151962] hpet: hpet3 irq 41 for MSI
> [    1.155930] hpet: hpet4 irq 42 for MSI
> [    1.159937] hpet: hpet5 irq 43 for MSI
> [    1.163943] hpet: hpet6 irq 44 for MSI
> [    1.175955] Switching to clocksource tsc
>
> so I guess I'm using hpet?
> n.
>
>
>    
Looks like you are using tsc based on the last line.  Can you tell us 
please

cat /proc/cpuinfo
cat /sys/devices/system/clocksource/clocksource0/current_clocksource

and grep -i dmesg for these keywords: TSC, clock, hpet, stable, khz, kvm

Re: regression - 2.6.36 -> 2.6.37 - kvm - 32bit SMP guests don't boot

[Nikola Ciprich]

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> cat /proc/cpuinfo
processor	: 0
vendor_id	: GenuineIntel
cpu family	: 6
model		  : 30
model name	  : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU           X3440  @ 2.53GHz
stepping	  : 5
cpu MHz		    : 2533.185
cache size	    : 8192 KB
physical id	    : 0
siblings : 8
core id	   : 0
cpu cores  : 4
apicid	     : 0
initial apicid : 0
fpu	       : yes
fpu_exception  : yes
cpuid level    : 11
wp    	       : yes
flags	       	 : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe syscall nx rdtscp lm constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts rep_good nopl xtopology nonstop_tsc aperfmperf pni dtes64 monitor ds_cpl vmx smx est tm2 ssse3 cx16 xtpr pdcm sse4_1 sse4_2 popcnt lahf_lm ida dts tpr_shadow vnmi flexpriority ept vpid
bogomips	 : 5066.37
clflush size	 : 64
cache_alignment	 : 64
address sizes	 : 36 bits physical, 48 bits virtual
power management:
.
.
.
.
.
processor	: 7
vendor_id	: GenuineIntel
cpu family	: 6
model		  : 30
model name	  : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU           X3440  @ 2.53GHz
stepping	  : 5
cpu MHz		    : 2533.185
cache size	    : 8192 KB
physical id	    : 0
siblings : 8
core id	   : 3
cpu cores  : 4
apicid	     : 7
initial apicid : 7
fpu	       : yes
fpu_exception  : yes
cpuid level    : 11
wp    	       : yes
flags	       	 : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe syscall nx rdtscp lm constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts rep_good nopl xtopology nonstop_tsc aperfmperf pni dtes64 monitor ds_cpl vmx smx est tm2 ssse3 cx16 xtpr pdcm sse4_1 sse4_2 popcnt lahf_lm ida dts tpr_shadow vnmi flexpriority ept vpid
bogomips	 : 5066.35
clflush size	 : 64
cache_alignment	 : 64
address sizes	 : 36 bits physical, 48 bits virtual
power management:


> cat /sys/devices/system/clocksource/clocksource0/current_clocksource
[root@vbox5 ~]# cat /sys/devices/system/clocksource/clocksource0/current_clocksource
tsc


>
> and grep -i dmesg for these keywords: TSC, clock, hpet, stable, khz, kvm
[root@vbox5 ~]# dmesg | grep -i "tsc\|clock\|hpet\|stable\|stable\|khz\|kvm"
[    0.000000] ACPI: HPET 00000000bf7aa5f0 00038 (v01 052710 OEMHPET  20100527 MSFT 00000097)
[    0.000000] ACPI: HPET id: 0x8086a701 base: 0xfed00000
[    0.000000] hpet clockevent registered
[    0.000000] Fast TSC calibration using PIT
[    1.148829] HPET: 8 timers in total, 5 timers will be used for per-cpu timer
[    1.148934] hpet0: at MMIO 0xfed00000, IRQs 2, 8, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 0
[    1.149331] hpet0: 8 comparators, 64-bit 14.318180 MHz counter
[    1.151831] hpet: hpet2 irq 40 for MSI
[    1.151962] hpet: hpet3 irq 41 for MSI
[    1.155930] hpet: hpet4 irq 42 for MSI
[    1.159937] hpet: hpet5 irq 43 for MSI
[    1.163943] hpet: hpet6 irq 44 for MSI
[    1.175955] Switching to clocksource tsc
[    1.260015] CE: hpet3 increased min_delta_ns to 7500 nsec
[    1.260117] CE: hpet3 increased min_delta_ns to 11250 nsec
[    1.294150] Real Time Clock Driver v1.12b
[    7.564355] CE: hpet4 increased min_delta_ns to 7500 nsec
[    7.564367] CE: hpet4 increased min_delta_ns to 11250 nsec
[  299.307242] CE: hpet2 increased min_delta_ns to 7500 nsec
[  299.307251] CE: hpet2 increased min_delta_ns to 11250 nsec
[ 1414.616685] CE: hpet5 increased min_delta_ns to 7500 nsec
[ 1414.616694] CE: hpet5 increased min_delta_ns to 11250 nsec
[ 5241.474310] CE: hpet6 increased min_delta_ns to 7500 nsec
[ 5241.474321] CE: hpet6 increased min_delta_ns to 11250 nsec


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Re: regression - 2.6.36 -> 2.6.37 - kvm - 32bit SMP guests don't boot

[Nikola Ciprich]

(resend, sorry for the mess)
> cat /proc/cpuinfo
processor	: 0
vendor_id	: GenuineIntel
cpu family	: 6
model		  : 30
model name	  : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU           X3440  @ 2.53GHz
stepping	  : 5
cpu MHz		    : 2533.185
cache size	    : 8192 KB
physical id	    : 0
siblings : 8
core id	   : 0
cpu cores  : 4
apicid	     : 0
initial apicid : 0
fpu	       : yes
fpu_exception  : yes
cpuid level    : 11
wp    	       : yes
flags	       	 : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca c=
mov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe syscall nx rd=
tscp lm constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts rep_good nopl xtopology nonstop_=
tsc aperfmperf pni dtes64 monitor ds_cpl vmx smx est tm2 ssse3 cx16 xtpr pd=
cm sse4_1 sse4_2 popcnt lahf_lm ida dts tpr_shadow vnmi flexpriority ept vp=
id
bogomips	 : 5066.37
clflush size	 : 64
cache_alignment	 : 64
address sizes	 : 36 bits physical, 48 bits virtual
power management:
.
.
.
.
processor	: 7
vendor_id	: GenuineIntel
cpu family	: 6
model		  : 30
model name	  : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU           X3440  @ 2.53GHz
stepping	  : 5
cpu MHz		    : 2533.185
cache size	    : 8192 KB
physical id	    : 0
siblings : 8
core id	   : 3
cpu cores  : 4
apicid	     : 7
initial apicid : 7
fpu	       : yes
fpu_exception  : yes
cpuid level    : 11
wp    	       : yes
flags	       	 : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca c=
mov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe syscall nx rd=
tscp lm constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts rep_good nopl xtopology nonstop_=
tsc aperfmperf pni dtes64 monitor ds_cpl vmx smx est tm2 ssse3 cx16 xtpr pd=
cm sse4_1 sse4_2 popcnt lahf_lm ida dts tpr_shadow vnmi flexpriority ept vp=
id
bogomips	 : 5066.35
clflush size	 : 64
cache_alignment	 : 64
address sizes	 : 36 bits physical, 48 bits virtual
power management:


> cat /sys/devices/system/clocksource/clocksource0/current_clocksource
[root@vbox5 ~]# cat /sys/devices/system/clocksource/clocksource0/current_cl=
ocksource
tsc


>
> and grep -i dmesg for these keywords: TSC, clock, hpet, stable, khz, kvm
[root@vbox5 ~]# dmesg | grep -i "tsc\|clock\|hpet\|stable\|stable\|khz\|kvm"
[    0.000000] ACPI: HPET 00000000bf7aa5f0 00038 (v01 052710 OEMHPET  20100=
527 MSFT 00000097)
[    0.000000] ACPI: HPET id: 0x8086a701 base: 0xfed00000
[    0.000000] hpet clockevent registered
[    0.000000] Fast TSC calibration using PIT
[    1.148829] HPET: 8 timers in total, 5 timers will be used for per-cpu t=
imer
[    1.148934] hpet0: at MMIO 0xfed00000, IRQs 2, 8, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 0
[    1.149331] hpet0: 8 comparators, 64-bit 14.318180 MHz counter
[    1.151831] hpet: hpet2 irq 40 for MSI
[    1.151962] hpet: hpet3 irq 41 for MSI
[    1.155930] hpet: hpet4 irq 42 for MSI
[    1.159937] hpet: hpet5 irq 43 for MSI
[    1.163943] hpet: hpet6 irq 44 for MSI
[    1.175955] Switching to clocksource tsc
[    1.260015] CE: hpet3 increased min_delta_ns to 7500 nsec
[    1.260117] CE: hpet3 increased min_delta_ns to 11250 nsec
[    1.294150] Real Time Clock Driver v1.12b
[    7.564355] CE: hpet4 increased min_delta_ns to 7500 nsec
[    7.564367] CE: hpet4 increased min_delta_ns to 11250 nsec
[  299.307242] CE: hpet2 increased min_delta_ns to 7500 nsec
[  299.307251] CE: hpet2 increased min_delta_ns to 11250 nsec
[ 1414.616685] CE: hpet5 increased min_delta_ns to 7500 nsec
[ 1414.616694] CE: hpet5 increased min_delta_ns to 11250 nsec
[ 5241.474310] CE: hpet6 increased min_delta_ns to 7500 nsec
[ 5241.474321] CE: hpet6 increased min_delta_ns to 11250 nsec


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Re: regression - 2.6.36 -> 2.6.37 - kvm - 32bit SMP guests don't boot

[Zachary Amsden]

>
> (resend, sorry for the mess)
>    

No worries.  What mess?

I have two things you can try:

first is running a single VCPU guest, if you have not done so already.

Second is adding the bootparameter "clocksource=acpi_pm" to your guest 
kernel.

If either of those fixes the problem, it very well have to do with this 
change and not that you may be missing later dependent patches.  This 
change should be nearly a 1-1 transformation, and if it is not, 
something is wrong.

What branch are you bisecting on, the kvm branch or the kernel tree 
itself?  It would be helpful to see the exact code in case any 
surrouding logic changed.

Thanks,

Zach

Re: regression - 2.6.36 -> 2.6.37 - kvm - 32bit SMP guests don't boot

[Nikola Ciprich]

> No worries.  What mess?
twice sending the same mail, nevermind :)

>
> I have two things you can try:
>
> first is running a single VCPU guest, if you have not done so already.
yup, UP guest is fine, just SMP doesn't work.

> Second is adding the bootparameter "clocksource=acpi_pm" to your guest  
> kernel.
yes, this makes SMP work too! I just realized when You were asking about current
clocksource, I told You only host source, not the guest. So I checked now,
and (at least for UP, I guess for SMP it's the same), the clocksource is
kvm-clock! So seems like it got broken with the TSC changes?


>
> If either of those fixes the problem, it very well have to do with this  
> change and not that you may be missing later dependent patches.  This  
> change should be nearly a 1-1 transformation, and if it is not,  
> something is wrong.
>
> What branch are you bisecting on, the kvm branch or the kernel tree  
> itself?  It would be helpful to see the exact code in case any  
> surrouding logic changed.
I was bisecting linus' linux-2.6.git main branch, between 2.6.36..2.6.37

>
> Thanks,
>
> Zach
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Re: regression - 2.6.36 -> 2.6.37 - kvm - 32bit SMP guests don't boot

[Zachary Amsden]

On 03/03/2011 02:06 AM, Nikola Ciprich wrote:
>> No worries.  What mess?
>>      
> twice sending the same mail, nevermind :)
>
>    
>> I have two things you can try:
>>
>> first is running a single VCPU guest, if you have not done so already.
>>      
> yup, UP guest is fine, just SMP doesn't work.
>
>    
>> Second is adding the bootparameter "clocksource=acpi_pm" to your guest
>> kernel.
>>      
> yes, this makes SMP work too! I just realized when You were asking about current
> clocksource, I told You only host source, not the guest. So I checked now,
> and (at least for UP, I guess for SMP it's the same), the clocksource is
> kvm-clock! So seems like it got broken with the TSC changes?
>    

What is the exact kernel version you are using in the guest.

It appears that some earlier 32-bit versions of kvm-clock enabled 
kernels are still missing the required atomic check for backwards-time 
protection which would be needed on SMP.  This explains why 64-bit is 
fine, 32-bit is not.

Why this change triggers that problem still is a slight mystery, 
logically it should only affect the system if you have an unstable TSC.

Zach

Re: regression - 2.6.36 -> 2.6.37 - kvm - 32bit SMP guests don't boot

[Nikola Ciprich]

> What is the exact kernel version you are using in the guest.
It's latest centos (2.6.18-194.32.1.el5), so I guess there are a lot
of fixes, but it's possible the kvm-clock is broken in it.
I can't influence what kernel is used there (at least not on customer's
guests), but I guess asking for adding clocksource kernel parameter is
not problem.


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Re: regression - 2.6.36 -> 2.6.37 - kvm - 32bit SMP guests don't boot

[Zachary Amsden]

On 03/03/2011 04:06 PM, Nikola Ciprich wrote:
>> What is the exact kernel version you are using in the guest.
>>      
> It's latest centos (2.6.18-194.32.1.el5), so I guess there are a lot
> of fixes, but it's possible the kvm-clock is broken in it.
> I can't influence what kernel is used there (at least not on customer's
> guests), but I guess asking for adding clocksource kernel parameter is
> not problem.
>
>    

That sounds like a kernel which will be vulnerable to broken KVM clock 
on 32-bit.  There's a kernel side fix that is needed, but why the server 
side change triggers the problem needs more investigation.

Zach

Re: regression - 2.6.36 -> 2.6.37 - kvm - 32bit SMP guests don't boot

[Nikola Ciprich]

> That sounds like a kernel which will be vulnerable to broken KVM clock  
> on 32-bit.  There's a kernel side fix that is needed, but why the server  
> side change triggers the problem needs more investigation.
OK, it's important for me that I can fix this by kernel parameter,
but if I can help somehow with debugging, please let me know.
thanks for Your time!
nik

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Re: regression - 2.6.36 -> 2.6.37 - kvm - 32bit SMP guests don't boot

[Zachary Amsden]

On 03/03/2011 05:01 PM, Nikola Ciprich wrote:
>> That sounds like a kernel which will be vulnerable to broken KVM clock
>> on 32-bit.  There's a kernel side fix that is needed, but why the server
>> side change triggers the problem needs more investigation.
>>      
> OK, it's important for me that I can fix this by kernel parameter,
> but if I can help somehow with debugging, please let me know.
> thanks for Your time!
> nik
>    

You don't see any messages about TSC being unstable or switching 
clocksource after loading the KVM module?  And you are not suspending 
the host or anything?

Can you try using "processor.max_cstate=1" on the host as a kernel 
parameter and see if it makes a difference?

Re: regression - 2.6.36 -> 2.6.37 - kvm - 32bit SMP guests don't boot

[Nikola Ciprich]

Hello Zachary,

> You don't see any messages about TSC being unstable or switching  
> clocksource after loading the KVM module?  And you are not suspending  
> the host or anything?
no messages, no suspending, nothing.


> Can you try using "processor.max_cstate=1" on the host as a kernel  
> parameter and see if it makes a difference?
I tried it, no change..
n.


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Re: regression - 2.6.36 -> 2.6.37 - kvm - 32bit SMP guests don't boot

[Glauber Costa]

On Fri, 2011-03-04 at 19:27 +0100, Nikola Ciprich wrote:
> Hello Zachary,
> 
> > You don't see any messages about TSC being unstable or switching  
> > clocksource after loading the KVM module?  And you are not suspending  
> > the host or anything?
> no messages, no suspending, nothing.
> 
> 
> > Can you try using "processor.max_cstate=1" on the host as a kernel  
> > parameter and see if it makes a difference?
> I tried it, no change..
> n.

Zach,

I don't understand 100 % the logic behind all your tsc changes.
But kvm-clock-wise, most of the problems we had in the past were related
to the difference in resolution between the tsc and the host clocksource
(hpet, acpi_pm, etc), which in his case, it is a non-issue.

It does seem to me like some compensation logic kicked in, dismantling
an otherwise good tsc. He does have nonstop_tsc, which means it can't
get any better.

One thing I noticed when reading the culprit patch in bisect, is that in
vcpu_load(), there were previously a call to  

 kvm_request_guest_time_update(vcpu)

that was removed without a counterpart addition. Any idea about why it
was done?

Nikola, does adding that line back alleviate the problem for you ?

Re: regression - 2.6.36 -> 2.6.37 - kvm - 32bit SMP guests don't boot

[Nikola Ciprich]

> Zach,
> 
> I don't understand 100 % the logic behind all your tsc changes.
> But kvm-clock-wise, most of the problems we had in the past were related
> to the difference in resolution between the tsc and the host clocksource
> (hpet, acpi_pm, etc), which in his case, it is a non-issue.
> 
> It does seem to me like some compensation logic kicked in, dismantling
> an otherwise good tsc. He does have nonstop_tsc, which means it can't
> get any better.
> 
> One thing I noticed when reading the culprit patch in bisect, is that in
> vcpu_load(), there were previously a call to  
> 
>  kvm_request_guest_time_update(vcpu)
> 
> that was removed without a counterpart addition. Any idea about why it
> was done?
> 
> Nikola, does adding that line back alleviate the problem for you ?
Hello Glauber,
kvm_request_guest_time_update seems to have been renamed and then
removed since then, but I've added 
kvm_make_request(KVM_REQ_CLOCK_UPDATE, vcpu);
instead and now the guest boots!
So maybe missing clock update is really the culprit here?
What do You guys think?
n.



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Re: regression - 2.6.36 -> 2.6.37 - kvm - 32bit SMP guests don't boot

[Glauber Costa]

On Fri, 2011-03-04 at 21:55 +0100, Nikola Ciprich wrote:
> > Zach,
> > 
> > I don't understand 100 % the logic behind all your tsc changes.
> > But kvm-clock-wise, most of the problems we had in the past were related
> > to the difference in resolution between the tsc and the host clocksource
> > (hpet, acpi_pm, etc), which in his case, it is a non-issue.
> > 
> > It does seem to me like some compensation logic kicked in, dismantling
> > an otherwise good tsc. He does have nonstop_tsc, which means it can't
> > get any better.
> > 
> > One thing I noticed when reading the culprit patch in bisect, is that in
> > vcpu_load(), there were previously a call to  
> > 
> >  kvm_request_guest_time_update(vcpu)
> > 
> > that was removed without a counterpart addition. Any idea about why it
> > was done?
> > 
> > Nikola, does adding that line back alleviate the problem for you ?
> Hello Glauber,
> kvm_request_guest_time_update seems to have been renamed and then
> removed since then, but I've added 
> kvm_make_request(KVM_REQ_CLOCK_UPDATE, vcpu);
> instead and now the guest boots!
> So maybe missing clock update is really the culprit here?
> What do You guys think?
> n.

I think although the long term plan is to just do this update once in
your case (stable tsc), this update is needed. 

Why don't you send a patch to re-include it ?

Re: regression - 2.6.36 -> 2.6.37 - kvm - 32bit SMP guests don't boot

[Nikola Ciprich]

> 
> I think although the long term plan is to just do this update once in
> your case (stable tsc), this update is needed. 
> 
> Why don't you send a patch to re-include it ?
> 
Yes, I'll gladly submit patch, one question, is this OK
to just add calling kvm_make_request(KVM_REQ_CLOCK_UPDATE, vcpu) before
the conditional (as I did in my test), or should it go somewhere to else {..}
section? it's called inside the conditional again, which will cause it
to be called twice in some cases, is it OK?
n.

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Re: regression - 2.6.36 -> 2.6.37 - kvm - 32bit SMP guests don't boot

[Zachary Amsden]

On 03/04/2011 02:09 PM, Glauber Costa wrote:
> On Fri, 2011-03-04 at 19:27 +0100, Nikola Ciprich wrote:
>    
>> Hello Zachary,
>>
>>      
>>> You don't see any messages about TSC being unstable or switching
>>> clocksource after loading the KVM module?  And you are not suspending
>>> the host or anything?
>>>        
>> no messages, no suspending, nothing.
>>
>>
>>      
>>> Can you try using "processor.max_cstate=1" on the host as a kernel
>>> parameter and see if it makes a difference?
>>>        
>> I tried it, no change..
>> n.
>>      
> Zach,
>
> I don't understand 100 % the logic behind all your tsc changes.
> But kvm-clock-wise, most of the problems we had in the past were related
> to the difference in resolution between the tsc and the host clocksource
> (hpet, acpi_pm, etc), which in his case, it is a non-issue.
>
> It does seem to me like some compensation logic kicked in, dismantling
> an otherwise good tsc. He does have nonstop_tsc, which means it can't
> get any better.
>
> One thing I noticed when reading the culprit patch in bisect, is that in
> vcpu_load(), there were previously a call to
>
>   kvm_request_guest_time_update(vcpu)
>
> that was removed without a counterpart addition. Any idea about why it
> was done?
>    

That's probably the source of the bug... I've been looking for that 
exact line, though, and I can't find it missing.

Re: regression - 2.6.36 -> 2.6.37 - kvm - 32bit SMP guests don't boot

[Zachary Amsden]

On 03/04/2011 05:36 PM, Nikola Ciprich wrote:
>> I think although the long term plan is to just do this update once in
>> your case (stable tsc), this update is needed.
>>
>> Why don't you send a patch to re-include it ?
>>
>>      
> Yes, I'll gladly submit patch, one question, is this OK
> to just add calling kvm_make_request(KVM_REQ_CLOCK_UPDATE, vcpu) before
> the conditional (as I did in my test), or should it go somewhere to else {..}
> section? it's called inside the conditional again, which will cause it
> to be called twice in some cases, is it OK?
> n.
>    

Let me write a patch to fix this..

Re: regression - 2.6.36 -> 2.6.37 - kvm - 32bit SMP guests don't boot

[Zachary Amsden]

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On 03/04/2011 05:36 PM, Nikola Ciprich wrote:
>> I think although the long term plan is to just do this update once in
>> your case (stable tsc), this update is needed.
>>
>> Why don't you send a patch to re-include it ?
>>
>>      
> Yes, I'll gladly submit patch, one question, is this OK
> to just add calling kvm_make_request(KVM_REQ_CLOCK_UPDATE, vcpu) before
> the conditional (as I did in my test), or should it go somewhere to else {..}
> section? it's called inside the conditional again, which will cause it
> to be called twice in some cases, is it OK?
> n.
>
>    

Can you try this patch to see if it fixes the problem?

Thanks,

Zach

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diff --git a/arch/x86/kvm/x86.c b/arch/x86/kvm/x86.c
index 468fafa..ba05303 100644
--- a/arch/x86/kvm/x86.c
+++ b/arch/x86/kvm/x86.c
@@ -1866,6 +1866,7 @@ void kvm_arch_vcpu_load(struct kvm_vcpu *vcpu, int cpu)
 	}
 
 	kvm_x86_ops->vcpu_load(vcpu, cpu);
+	kvm_request_guest_time_update(vcpu);
 	if (unlikely(vcpu->cpu != cpu)) {
 		/* Make sure TSC doesn't go backwards */
 		s64 tsc_delta = !vcpu->arch.last_host_tsc ? 0 :

Re: regression - 2.6.36 -> 2.6.37 - kvm - 32bit SMP guests don't boot

[Nikola Ciprich]

>
> Can you try this patch to see if it fixes the problem?
You haven't read my replies, did you? ;-)
kvm_request_guest_time_update seems to have been
removed, and kvm_make_request(KVM_REQ_CLOCK_UPDATE, vcpu)
seems to be used instead, adding it fixes the problem.
That's what I was going to use in the patch... :)

>
> Thanks,
>
> Zach

> diff --git a/arch/x86/kvm/x86.c b/arch/x86/kvm/x86.c
> index 468fafa..ba05303 100644
> --- a/arch/x86/kvm/x86.c
> +++ b/arch/x86/kvm/x86.c
> @@ -1866,6 +1866,7 @@ void kvm_arch_vcpu_load(struct kvm_vcpu *vcpu, int cpu)
>  	}
>  
>  	kvm_x86_ops->vcpu_load(vcpu, cpu);
> +	kvm_request_guest_time_update(vcpu);
>  	if (unlikely(vcpu->cpu != cpu)) {
>  		/* Make sure TSC doesn't go backwards */
>  		s64 tsc_delta = !vcpu->arch.last_host_tsc ? 0 :


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Re: regression - 2.6.36 -> 2.6.37 - kvm - 32bit SMP guests don't boot

[Zachary Amsden]

On 03/05/2011 02:21 AM, Nikola Ciprich wrote:
>    
>> Can you try this patch to see if it fixes the problem?
>>      
> You haven't read my replies, did you? ;-)
> kvm_request_guest_time_update seems to have been
> removed, and kvm_make_request(KVM_REQ_CLOCK_UPDATE, vcpu)
> seems to be used instead, adding it fixes the problem.
> That's what I was going to use in the patch... :)
>    

I did read your mail, but I was working on an old tree... because of 
that transformation, this fix will unfortunately have to be back and 
forward ported by hand.

Did you try just that change right applied on top of the patch 
(e48672fa25e879f7ae21785c7efd187738139593) implicated by bisect?

It will be great to know if that change alone fixes the problem, if so, 
the fix you propose is probably the right one for upstream.

Thanks,

Zach

Re: regression - 2.6.36 -> 2.6.37 - kvm - 32bit SMP guests don't boot

[Nikola Ciprich]

> I did read your mail, but I was working on an old tree... because of  
> that transformation, this fix will unfortunately have to be back and  
> forward ported by hand.
OK, sorry, I didn't mean to be adverse...
>

> Did you try just that change right applied on top of the patch  
> (e48672fa25e879f7ae21785c7efd187738139593) implicated by bisect?
yes, with host running e48672fa25e879f7ae21785c7efd187738139593,
32bit SMP guest doesn't boot, when I add kvm_request_guest_time_update(vcpu),
it helps.

>
> It will be great to know if that change alone fixes the problem, if so,  
> the fix you propose is probably the right one for upstream.
ok, so shell I submit patch adding kvm_make_request(KVM_REQ_CLOCK_UPDATE, vcpu)?
this fixes things for me for 2.6.37.

>
> Thanks,
>
> Zach
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