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From: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
To: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
Cc: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	Toshiyuki Okajima <toshi.okajima@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Ted Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>,
	Masayoshi MIZUMA <m.mizuma@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Andreas Dilger <adilger.kernel@dilger.ca>,
	linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH] Re: [BUG] ext4: cannot unfreeze a filesystem due to a deadlock
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 08:18:56 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110406061856.GC23285@quack.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110406054005.GD31057@dastard>

On Wed 06-04-11 15:40:05, Dave Chinner wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 01, 2011 at 04:08:56PM +0200, Jan Kara wrote:
> > On Fri 01-04-11 10:40:50, Dave Chinner wrote:
> > > On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 05:06:28PM +0900, Toshiyuki Okajima wrote:
> > > > On Thu, 17 Feb 2011 11:45:52 +0100
> > > > Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz> wrote:
> > > > > On Thu 17-02-11 12:50:51, Toshiyuki Okajima wrote:
> > > > > > (2011/02/16 23:56), Jan Kara wrote:
> > > > > > >On Wed 16-02-11 08:17:46, Toshiyuki Okajima wrote:
> > > > > > >>On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 18:29:54 +0100
> > > > > > >>Jan Kara<jack@suse.cz>  wrote:
> > > > > > >>>On Tue 15-02-11 12:03:52, Ted Ts'o wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 05:06:30PM +0100, Jan Kara wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>>Thanks for detailed analysis. Indeed this is a bug. Whenever we do IO
> > > > > > >>>>>under s_umount semaphore, we are prone to deadlock like the one you
> > > > > > >>>>>describe above.
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>>One of the fundamental problems here is that the freeze and thaw
> > > > > > >>>>routines are using down_write(&sb->s_umount) for two purposes.  The
> > > > > > >>>>first is to prevent the resume/thaw from racing with a umount (which
> > > > > > >>>>it could do just as well by taking a read lock), but the second is to
> > > > > > >>>>prevent the resume/thaw code from racing with itself.  That's the core
> > > > > > >>>>fundamental problem here.
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>>So I think we can solve this by introduce a new mutex, s_freeze, and
> > > > > > >>>>having the the resume/thaw first take the s_freeze mutex and then
> > > > > > >>>>second take a read lock on the s_umount.
> > > > > > >>>   Sadly this does not quite work because even down_read(&sb->s_umount)
> > > > > > >>>in thaw_super() can block if there is another process that tries to acquire
> > > > > > >>>s_umount for writing - a situation like:
> > > > > > >>>   TASK 1 (e.g. flusher)		TASK 2	(e.g. remount)		TASK 3 (unfreeze)
> > > > > > >>>down_read(&sb->s_umount)
> > > > > > >>>   block on s_frozen
> > > > > > >>>				down_write(&sb->s_umount)
> > > > > > >>>				  -blocked
> > > > > > >>>								down_read(&sb->s_umount)
> > > > > > >>>								  -blocked
> > > > > > >>>behind the write access...
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>The only working solution I see is to check for frozen filesystem before
> > > > > > >>>taking s_umount semaphore which seems rather ugly (but might be bearable if
> > > > > > >>>we did so in some well described wrapper).
> > > > > > >>I created the patch that you imagine yesterday.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>I got a reproducer from Mizuma-san yesterday, and then I executed it on the kernel
> > > > > > >>without a fixed patch. After an hour, I confirmed that this deadlock happened.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>However, on the kernel with a fixed patch, this deadlock doesn't still happen
> > > > > > >>after 12 hours passed.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>The patch for linux-2.6.38-rc4 is as follows:
> > > > > > >>---
> > > > > > >>  fs/fs-writeback.c |    2 +-
> > > > > > >>  1 files changed, 1 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-)
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>diff --git a/fs/fs-writeback.c b/fs/fs-writeback.c
> > > > > > >>index 59c6e49..1c9a05e 100644
> > > > > > >>--- a/fs/fs-writeback.c
> > > > > > >>+++ b/fs/fs-writeback.c
> > > > > > >>@@ -456,7 +456,7 @@ static bool pin_sb_for_writeback(struct super_block *sb)
> > > > > > >>         spin_unlock(&sb_lock);
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>         if (down_read_trylock(&sb->s_umount)) {
> > > > > > >>-               if (sb->s_root)
> > > > > > >>+               if (sb->s_frozen == SB_UNFROZEN&&  sb->s_root)
> > > > > > >>                         return true;
> > > > > > >>                 up_read(&sb->s_umount);
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > >   So this is something along the lines I thought but it actually won't work
> > > > > > >for example if sync(1) is run while the filesystem is frozen (that takes
> > > > > > >s_umount semaphore in a different place). And generally, I'm not convinced
> > > > > > >there are not other places that try to do IO while holding s_umount
> > > > > > >semaphore...
> > > > > > OK. I understand.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > This code only fixes the case for the following path:
> > > > > > writeback_inodes_wb
> > > > > > -> ext4_da_writepages
> > > > > >    -> ext4_journal_start_sb
> > > > > >       -> vfs_check_frozen
> > > > > > But, the code doesn't fix the other cases.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > We must modify the local filesystem part in order to fix all cases...?
> > > > >   Yes, possibly. But most importantly we should first find clear locking
> > > > > rules for frozen filesystem that avoid deadlocks like the one above. And
> > > > > the freezing / unfreezing code might become subtle for that reason, that's
> > > > > fine, but it would be really good to avoid any complicated things for the
> > > > > code in the rest of the VFS / filesystems.
> > > > I have deeply continued to examined the root cause of this problem, then 
> > > > I found it.
> > > > 
> > > > It is that we can write a memory which is mmaped to a file. Then the memory 
> > > > becomes "DIRTY" so then the flusher thread (ex. wb_do_writeback) tries to
> > > > "writeback" the memory. 
> > > 
> > > Then surely the issue is that .page_mkwrite is not checking that the
> > > filesystem is frozen before allowing the page fault to continue and
> > > dirty the page?
> >   And is this a bug? That isn't clear to me...
> 
> Given the semantics of a frozen filesystem, letting any object be
> dirtied while frozen (be it an inode, a page, a metadata block, etc)
> is definitely a bug.
>
> The way the freeze code is architected is that incoming dirtying
> events are prevented so that the writeback side does not need to
> care about the frozen state of the filesystem at all. The freeze
> operation is supposed to block new dirtiers, then flush all dirty
> objects resulting in everything being clean in the filesystem.
> 
> Hence if no objects are being dirtied, then there should never be
> any need to block writeback threads due to the filesytem being
> frozen because, by definition, there should be no work for them to
> do. Hence if objects are being dirtied while the filesystem is
> frozen, then that is a bug.
  OK, after some thought I start to agree with you that it would be nice
if we didn't allow the pages to be dirtied at the first place. Otherwise
things get a bit fragile as writing a data block does *not* need a
transaction start as such (we just happen to do it in all code paths)...

> > > > I think the best approach to fix this problem is to let users not to write
> > > > memory which is mapped to a certain file while the filesystem is freezing. 
> > > > However, it is very difficult to control users not to write memory which has 
> > > > been already mapped to the file.
> > > 
> > > If you don't allow the page to be dirtied in the fist place, then
> > > nothing needs to be done to the writeback path because there is
> > > nothing dirty for it to write back.
> >   Sure but that's only the problem he was able to hit. But generally,
> > there's a problem with needing s_umount for unfreezing because it isn't
> > clear there aren't other code paths which can block with s_umount held
> > waiting for fs to get unfrozen. And these code paths would cause the same
> > deadlock. That's why I chose to get rid of s_umount during thawing.
> 
> Holding the s_umount lock while checking if frozen and sleeping
> is essentially an ABBA lock inversion bug that can bite in many more
> places that just thawing the filesystem.  Any where this is done should
> be fixed, so I don't think just removing the s_umount lock from the thaw
> path is sufficient to avoid problems.
  That's easily said but hard to do - any transaction start in ext3/4 may
block on filesystem being frozen (this seems to be similar for XFS as I'm
looking into the code) and transaction start traditionally nests inside
s_umount (and basically there's no way around that since sync() calls your
fs code with s_umount held). So I'm afraid we are not going to get rid of
this ABBA dependency unless we declare that s_umount ranks above filesystem
being frozen - but surely I'm open to suggestions.

Another possibility is just to hide the problem e.g. by checking for frozen
filesystem whenever we try to get s_umount. But that looks a bit ugly to
me.

									Honza
-- 
Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
SUSE Labs, CR

  reply	other threads:[~2011-04-06  6:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 121+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-02-07 11:53 [BUG] ext4: cannot unfreeze a filesystem due to a deadlock Masayoshi MIZUMA
2011-02-15 16:06 ` Jan Kara
2011-02-15 17:03   ` Ted Ts'o
2011-02-15 17:29     ` Jan Kara
2011-02-15 18:04       ` Ted Ts'o
2011-02-15 19:11         ` Jan Kara
2011-02-15 23:17       ` Toshiyuki Okajima
2011-02-16 14:56         ` Jan Kara
2011-02-17  3:50           ` Toshiyuki Okajima
2011-02-17  5:13             ` Andreas Dilger
2011-02-17 10:41               ` Jan Kara
2011-02-17 10:45             ` Jan Kara
2011-03-28  8:06               ` [RFC][PATCH] " Toshiyuki Okajima
2011-03-30 14:12                 ` Jan Kara
2011-03-31  8:37                   ` Yongqiang Yang
2011-03-31  8:48                     ` Yongqiang Yang
2011-03-31 14:04                     ` Eric Sandeen
2011-03-31 14:36                       ` Yongqiang Yang
2011-03-31 15:25                         ` Eric Sandeen
2011-03-31 16:28                         ` Jan Kara
2011-03-31 12:03                   ` Toshiyuki Okajima
2011-04-05 10:25                     ` Toshiyuki Okajima
2011-04-05 22:54                       ` Jan Kara
2011-04-06  5:09                         ` Toshiyuki Okajima
2011-04-06  5:57                           ` Jan Kara
2011-04-06  7:40                             ` Toshiyuki Okajima
2011-04-06 17:46                               ` Jan Kara
2011-04-15 13:39                                 ` Toshiyuki Okajima
2011-04-15 17:13                                   ` Jan Kara
2011-04-15 17:17                                     ` Eric Sandeen
2011-04-15 17:37                                       ` Jan Kara
2011-04-18  9:05                                     ` Toshiyuki Okajima
2011-04-18 10:51                                       ` Jan Kara
2011-04-19  9:43                                         ` Toshiyuki Okajima
2011-04-22  6:58                                           ` Toshiyuki Okajima
2011-04-22 21:26                                             ` Peter M. Petrakis
2011-04-22 21:40                                               ` Jan Kara
2011-04-22 22:57                                                 ` Peter M. Petrakis
2011-04-22 22:10                                             ` Jan Kara
2011-04-25  6:28                                               ` Toshiyuki Okajima
2011-05-03  8:06                                                 ` Surbhi Palande
2011-05-03 11:01                                       ` Surbhi Palande
2011-05-03 13:08                                         ` (unknown), Surbhi Palande
2011-05-03 13:46                                           ` your mail Jan Kara
2011-05-03 13:56                                             ` Surbhi Palande
2011-05-03 15:26                                               ` Surbhi Palande
2011-05-03 15:36                                               ` Jan Kara
2011-05-03 15:43                                                 ` Surbhi Palande
2011-05-04 19:24                                                   ` Jan Kara
2011-05-06 15:20                                                     ` [RFC][PATCH] Do not accept a new handle when the F.S is frozen Surbhi Palande
2011-05-06 15:20                                                     ` [PATCH] Adding support to freeze and unfreeze a journal Surbhi Palande
2011-05-06 20:56                                                       ` Andreas Dilger
2011-05-07 20:04                                                         ` [PATCH v2] " Surbhi Palande
2011-05-08  8:24                                                           ` Marco Stornelli
2011-05-09  9:04                                                             ` Surbhi Palande
2011-05-09  9:24                                                               ` Jan Kara
2011-05-09  9:53                                                           ` Jan Kara
2011-05-09 13:49                                                             ` Surbhi Palande
2011-05-09 14:51                                                               ` [PATCH v3] " Surbhi Palande
2011-05-09 15:08                                                                 ` Jan Kara
2011-05-10 15:07                                                                   ` [PATCH] " Surbhi Palande
2011-05-10 21:07                                                                     ` Andreas Dilger
2011-05-11  7:46                                                                       ` Surbhi Palande
2011-05-09 15:23                                                                 ` [PATCH v3] " Eric Sandeen
2011-05-11  7:06                                                                   ` Surbhi Palande
2011-05-11  7:10                                                                     ` [PATCH] Attempt to sync the fsstress writes to a frozen F.S Surbhi Palande
2011-05-12 14:22                                                                       ` Eric Sandeen
2011-05-12 14:22                                                                         ` Eric Sandeen
2011-05-24 21:42                                                                       ` Ted Ts'o
2011-05-25 12:00                                                                         ` Surbhi Palande
2011-05-25 12:12                                                                           ` Theodore Tso
2011-05-27 16:28                                                                             ` Jan Kara
2011-05-11  9:05                                                                     ` [PATCH v3] Adding support to freeze and unfreeze a journal Andreas Dilger
2011-05-12  9:40                                                                       ` Surbhi Palande
2011-05-03 13:08                                         ` [PATCH] Prevent dirtying a page when ext4 F.S is frozen Surbhi Palande
2011-05-03 15:19                                         ` [RFC][PATCH] Re: [BUG] ext4: cannot unfreeze a filesystem due to a deadlock Jan Kara
2011-05-04 12:09                                           ` Surbhi Palande
2011-05-04 19:19                                             ` Jan Kara
2011-05-04 21:34                                               ` Surbhi Palande
2011-05-04 22:48                                                 ` Jan Kara
2011-05-05  6:06                                                   ` Surbhi Palande
2011-05-05 11:18                                                     ` Jan Kara
2011-05-05 14:01                                                       ` Surbhi Palande
2011-03-31 23:40                 ` Dave Chinner
2011-03-31 23:53                   ` Eric Sandeen
2011-04-01 14:08                   ` Jan Kara
2011-04-06  5:40                     ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-06  6:18                       ` Jan Kara [this message]
2011-04-06 11:21                         ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-06 13:44                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-04-06 22:59                             ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-06 17:40                           ` Jan Kara
2011-04-06 22:54                             ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-08 21:33                               ` Jan Kara
2011-05-02  9:07                           ` Surbhi Palande
2011-05-02 10:56                             ` Jan Kara
2011-05-02 11:27                               ` Surbhi Palande
2011-05-02 12:06                                 ` Surbhi Palande
2011-05-02 12:20                                 ` Jan Kara
2011-05-02 12:30                                   ` Surbhi Palande
2011-05-02 13:16                                     ` Jan Kara
2011-05-02 13:22                                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-05-02 14:20                                         ` Jan Kara
2011-05-02 14:41                                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-05-02 16:23                                             ` Jan Kara
2011-05-02 16:38                                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-05-02 13:22                                       ` Surbhi Palande
2011-05-02 13:24                                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-05-02 13:27                                           ` Surbhi Palande
2011-05-02 14:26                                             ` Jan Kara
2011-05-02 14:04                                         ` Eric Sandeen
2011-05-03  7:27                                           ` Surbhi Palande
2011-05-03 20:14                                             ` Eric Sandeen
2011-05-04  8:26                                               ` Surbhi Palande
2011-05-04 14:30                                                 ` Eric Sandeen
2011-05-02 14:01                                     ` Eric Sandeen
2011-04-05 10:44                   ` Toshiyuki Okajima
2011-12-09  1:56 ` Masayoshi MIZUMA
2011-12-15 12:41   ` Masayoshi MIZUMA
2013-11-29  4:58     ` Yongqiang Yang
2013-11-29  8:00       ` Jan Kara

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