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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>,
	Pekka Enberg <penberg@kernel.org>, Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>,
	Sasha Levin <levinsasha928@gmail.com>,
	john@jfloren.net, kvm@vger.kernel.org, asias.hejun@gmail.com,
	gorcunov@gmail.com, prasadjoshi124@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/6] kvm tools: Add rwlock wrapper
Date: Fri, 27 May 2011 11:12:20 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110527091220.GE21386@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110527005822.GL2386@linux.vnet.ibm.com>


* Paul E. McKenney <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com> wrote:

> > > > I'm CC'ing Paul and Mathieu as well for urcu.
> 
> I am hoping we can get better convergence between the user-level 
> and kernel-level URCU implementations once I get SRCU merged into 
> the TREE_RCU and TINY_RCU implementations. [...]

Yeah.

> [...]  But it is early days for user-level RCU implementations -- 
> for example, the kernel-level implementations have deep 
> dependencies on being able to lock themselves cheaply to a given 
> CPU, which does not exist at user level.

Correct - this is why i suggested a plain copy first, then look back 
how we (and whether we!) want to share logic.

> But there seems to be an assumption that there should be only one 
> URCU implementation, and I am not sure that this assumption holds.  

I'm not sure about that either. And sice tools/kvm/ lives in the 
kernel repo it would be a mortal sin [*] to not explore the code 
sharing angle!!! :-)

If a reasonable amount of sharing of logic is possible without making 
it painful for the kernel RCU code we could do other nice things like 
change the RCU logic and test it in user-space first and run 
user-space rcutorture on some really big cluster.

> [ ... ]
>
> All that aside, one advantage of http://lttng.org/urcu is that it 
> already exists, which allows prototyping to proceed immediately.  

it's offline right now:

 $ git clone git://git.lttng.org/urcu
 Cloning into urcu...
 fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly

One complication is that it's LGPL while tools/kvm/ is GPLv2. I guess 
we could copy a suitable implementation into tools/kvm/rcu/?

Thanks,

	Ingo

[1] punishable by death or eternal hacking of a Windows driver (i'd pick the former)

  reply	other threads:[~2011-05-27  9:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-05-26 14:25 [PATCH 1/6] kvm tools: Prevent double assignment of guest memory info Sasha Levin
2011-05-26 14:25 ` [PATCH 2/6] kvm tools: Exit VCPU thread only when SIGKVMEXIT is received Sasha Levin
2011-05-26 14:25 ` [PATCH 3/6] kvm tools: Protect IRQ allocations by a mutex Sasha Levin
2011-05-26 14:25 ` [PATCH 4/6] kvm tools: Add rwlock wrapper Sasha Levin
2011-05-26 16:02   ` Pekka Enberg
2011-05-26 16:19     ` Sasha Levin
2011-05-26 18:05       ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-26 18:11         ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-26 18:21           ` Pekka Enberg
2011-05-26 18:57             ` Sasha Levin
2011-05-26 23:09               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2011-05-27 10:19                 ` Sasha Levin
2011-05-27 10:36                   ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-27 15:52                     ` Sasha Levin
2011-05-27 17:10                       ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-27 20:19                         ` Sasha Levin
2011-05-28 15:24                           ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-28 16:44                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2011-05-28 19:45                             ` Sasha Levin
2011-05-29  6:47                               ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-29  7:19                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-29 15:31                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2011-05-29 15:51                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2011-05-29 19:54                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-30  3:12                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2011-05-29 16:22                                     ` Sasha Levin
2011-05-27 13:14                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2011-05-29 17:01                     ` RCU red-black tree (was: Re: [PATCH 4/6] kvm tools: Add rwlock wrapper) Mathieu Desnoyers
2011-05-29 17:48                       ` Sasha Levin
2011-05-30  2:54                         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2011-05-30  6:07                           ` Sasha Levin
2011-05-30 11:30                             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2011-05-30 17:38                             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2011-05-30 17:50                               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2011-05-30 17:52                               ` Sasha Levin
2011-05-30 18:57                                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2011-05-30 19:11                                   ` Sasha Levin
2011-05-31 13:05                                   ` Sasha Levin
2011-05-31 13:09                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-31 13:20                                       ` Sasha Levin
2011-05-31 15:25                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-31 19:09                                           ` Prasad Joshi
2011-05-31 19:31                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2011-06-02 14:55                                     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2011-05-30  3:38                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2011-05-30 11:18                         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2011-05-26 20:25             ` [PATCH 4/6] kvm tools: Add rwlock wrapper Ingo Molnar
2011-05-26 23:05               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2011-05-27  0:58                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2011-05-27  9:12                   ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2011-05-27 12:48                     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2011-05-27 13:19                       ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-27 13:29                         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2011-05-27 13:36                           ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-27 17:22                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2011-05-27 10:25                 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-27 11:07                   ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-27 11:10                     ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-27 11:24                       ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-27 14:18                         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2011-05-27 14:11                     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2011-05-28 18:12                     ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-28 18:32                       ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-29  6:41                         ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-29  7:35                           ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-29  7:54                             ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-29 12:37                               ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-29 12:48                                 ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-29 14:27                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-29 15:00                                     ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-29 15:38                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2011-05-29 19:33                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-30  3:07                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2011-05-30  8:12                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-27 13:22                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2011-05-27 13:31                     ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-28 18:14                       ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-27 13:07                 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-26 14:25 ` [PATCH 5/6] kvm tools: Protect MMIO tree by rwsem Sasha Levin
2011-05-26 14:25 ` [PATCH 6/6] kvm tools: Protect IOPORT " Sasha Levin
2011-05-26 16:01   ` Pekka Enberg
2011-05-26 16:19     ` Sasha Levin

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