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From: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
To: Jordan Crouse <jcrouse@codeaurora.org>
Cc: Marek Szyprowski <m.szyprowski@samsung.com>,
	'Subash Patel' <subashrp@gmail.com>,
	linux-arch@vger.kernel.org,
	'Russell King - ARM Linux' <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>,
	'Joerg Roedel' <joro@8bytes.org>,
	linaro-mm-sig@lists.linaro.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	'Kyungmin Park' <kyungmin.park@samsung.com>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [Linaro-mm-sig] [PATCH/RFC 0/8] ARM: DMA-mapping framework	redesign
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 17:20:15 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <201106241720.15385.arnd@arndb.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4E02119F.4000901@codeaurora.org>

On Wednesday 22 June 2011, Jordan Crouse wrote:
> >> I have a query in similar lines, but related to user virtual address
> >> space. Is it feasible to extend these DMA interfaces(and IOMMU), to map
> >> a user allocated buffer into the hardware?
> >
> > This can be done with the current API, although it may not look so
> > straightforward. You just need to create a scatter list of user pages
> > (these can be gathered with get_user_pages function) and use dma_map_sg()
> > function. If the dma-mapping support iommu, it can map all these pages
> > into a single contiguous buffer on device (DMA) address space.
> >
> > Some additional 'magic' might be required to get access to pages that are
> > mapped with pure PFN (VM_PFNMAP flag), but imho it still can be done.
> >
> > I will try to implement this feature in videobuf2-dma-config allocator
> > together with the next version of my patches for dma-mapping&iommu.
> 
> With luck DMA_ATTRIB_NO_KERNEL_MAPPING should remove any lingering arguments
> for trying to map user pages. Given that our ultimate goal here is buffer
> sharing, user allocated pages have limited value and appeal. If anything, I
> vote that this be a far lower priority compared to the rest of the win you
> have here.

I agree. Mapping user-allocated buffers is extremely hard to get right
when there are extra constraints. If it doesn't work already for some driver,
I wouldn't put too much effort into making it work for more special cases.

	Arnd

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WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
To: Jordan Crouse <jcrouse@codeaurora.org>
Cc: Marek Szyprowski <m.szyprowski@samsung.com>,
	'Subash Patel' <subashrp@gmail.com>,
	linux-arch@vger.kernel.org,
	'Russell King - ARM Linux' <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>,
	'Joerg Roedel' <joro@8bytes.org>,
	linaro-mm-sig@lists.linaro.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	'Kyungmin Park' <kyungmin.park@samsung.com>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [Linaro-mm-sig] [PATCH/RFC 0/8] ARM: DMA-mapping framework	redesign
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 17:20:15 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <201106241720.15385.arnd@arndb.de> (raw)
Message-ID: <20110624152015.3J_3mmDIiLMp_rQKRrJm78CAFg3ar3lqwA6_b-iQl-4@z> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4E02119F.4000901@codeaurora.org>

On Wednesday 22 June 2011, Jordan Crouse wrote:
> >> I have a query in similar lines, but related to user virtual address
> >> space. Is it feasible to extend these DMA interfaces(and IOMMU), to map
> >> a user allocated buffer into the hardware?
> >
> > This can be done with the current API, although it may not look so
> > straightforward. You just need to create a scatter list of user pages
> > (these can be gathered with get_user_pages function) and use dma_map_sg()
> > function. If the dma-mapping support iommu, it can map all these pages
> > into a single contiguous buffer on device (DMA) address space.
> >
> > Some additional 'magic' might be required to get access to pages that are
> > mapped with pure PFN (VM_PFNMAP flag), but imho it still can be done.
> >
> > I will try to implement this feature in videobuf2-dma-config allocator
> > together with the next version of my patches for dma-mapping&iommu.
> 
> With luck DMA_ATTRIB_NO_KERNEL_MAPPING should remove any lingering arguments
> for trying to map user pages. Given that our ultimate goal here is buffer
> sharing, user allocated pages have limited value and appeal. If anything, I
> vote that this be a far lower priority compared to the rest of the win you
> have here.

I agree. Mapping user-allocated buffers is extremely hard to get right
when there are extra constraints. If it doesn't work already for some driver,
I wouldn't put too much effort into making it work for more special cases.

	Arnd

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: arnd@arndb.de (Arnd Bergmann)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [Linaro-mm-sig] [PATCH/RFC 0/8] ARM: DMA-mapping framework	redesign
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 17:20:15 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <201106241720.15385.arnd@arndb.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4E02119F.4000901@codeaurora.org>

On Wednesday 22 June 2011, Jordan Crouse wrote:
> >> I have a query in similar lines, but related to user virtual address
> >> space. Is it feasible to extend these DMA interfaces(and IOMMU), to map
> >> a user allocated buffer into the hardware?
> >
> > This can be done with the current API, although it may not look so
> > straightforward. You just need to create a scatter list of user pages
> > (these can be gathered with get_user_pages function) and use dma_map_sg()
> > function. If the dma-mapping support iommu, it can map all these pages
> > into a single contiguous buffer on device (DMA) address space.
> >
> > Some additional 'magic' might be required to get access to pages that are
> > mapped with pure PFN (VM_PFNMAP flag), but imho it still can be done.
> >
> > I will try to implement this feature in videobuf2-dma-config allocator
> > together with the next version of my patches for dma-mapping&iommu.
> 
> With luck DMA_ATTRIB_NO_KERNEL_MAPPING should remove any lingering arguments
> for trying to map user pages. Given that our ultimate goal here is buffer
> sharing, user allocated pages have limited value and appeal. If anything, I
> vote that this be a far lower priority compared to the rest of the win you
> have here.

I agree. Mapping user-allocated buffers is extremely hard to get right
when there are extra constraints. If it doesn't work already for some driver,
I wouldn't put too much effort into making it work for more special cases.

	Arnd

  parent reply	other threads:[~2011-06-24 15:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 201+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-06-20  7:50 [PATCH/RFC 0/8] ARM: DMA-mapping framework redesign Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-20  7:50 ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-20  7:50 ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-20  7:50 ` [PATCH 1/8] ARM: dma-mapping: remove offset parameter to prepare for generic dma_ops Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-20  7:50   ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-20  7:50   ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-20  8:35   ` Michal Nazarewicz
2011-06-20  8:35     ` Michal Nazarewicz
2011-06-20  8:35     ` Michal Nazarewicz
2011-06-20 10:46     ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-20 10:46       ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-20 10:46       ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-07-03 15:28   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-07-03 15:28     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-07-03 15:28     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-07-26 12:56     ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-07-26 12:56       ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-07-26 12:56       ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-20  7:50 ` [PATCH 2/8] ARM: dma-mapping: implement dma_map_single on top of dma_map_page Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-20  7:50   ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-20  7:50   ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-20 14:39   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-06-20 14:39     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-06-20 14:39     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-06-20 15:15     ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-20 15:15       ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-20 15:15       ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-24 15:24       ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-24 15:24         ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-24 15:24         ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-27 14:29         ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-27 14:29           ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-27 14:29           ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-27 14:53           ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-27 14:53             ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-27 14:53             ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-27 15:06             ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-27 15:06               ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-27 15:06               ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-20  7:50 ` [PATCH 3/8] ARM: dma-mapping: use asm-generic/dma-mapping-common.h Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-20  7:50   ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-20  7:50   ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-20 14:33   ` [Linaro-mm-sig] " KyongHo Cho
2011-06-20 14:33     ` KyongHo Cho
2011-06-20 14:33     ` KyongHo Cho
2011-06-21 11:47     ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-21 11:47       ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-21 11:47       ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-24  8:39       ` 'Joerg Roedel'
2011-06-24  8:39         ` 'Joerg Roedel'
2011-06-24  8:39         ` 'Joerg Roedel'
2011-06-24 15:36   ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-24 15:36     ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-24 15:36     ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-24 15:36     ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-27 12:18     ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-27 12:18       ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-27 12:18       ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-27 13:19       ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-27 13:19         ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-27 13:19         ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-07-07 12:09         ` Lennert Buytenhek
2011-07-07 12:09           ` Lennert Buytenhek
2011-07-07 12:09           ` Lennert Buytenhek
2011-07-07 12:38           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-07-07 12:38             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-07-07 12:38             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-07-15  0:10             ` Lennert Buytenhek
2011-07-15  0:10               ` Lennert Buytenhek
2011-07-15  0:10               ` Lennert Buytenhek
2011-07-15  9:27               ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-07-15  9:27                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-07-15  9:27                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-07-15 21:53                 ` Lennert Buytenhek
2011-07-15 21:53                   ` Lennert Buytenhek
2011-07-15 21:53                   ` Lennert Buytenhek
2011-06-20  7:50 ` [PATCH 4/8] ARM: dma-mapping: implement dma sg methods on top of generic dma ops Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-20  7:50   ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-20  7:50   ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-20 14:37   ` KyongHo Cho
2011-06-20 14:37     ` KyongHo Cho
2011-06-20 14:37     ` KyongHo Cho
2011-06-20 14:40   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-06-20 14:40     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-06-20 14:40     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-06-20 15:23     ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-20 15:23       ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-20 15:23       ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-20  7:50 ` [PATCH 5/8] ARM: dma-mapping: move all dma bounce code to separate dma ops structure Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-20  7:50   ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-20  7:50   ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-20 14:42   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-06-20 14:42     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-06-20 14:42     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-06-20 15:31     ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-20 15:31       ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-20 15:31       ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-24 15:47       ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-24 15:47         ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-24 15:47         ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-27 14:20         ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-27 14:20           ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-27 14:20           ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-20  7:50 ` [PATCH 6/8] ARM: dma-mapping: remove redundant code and cleanup Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-20  7:50   ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-20  7:50   ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-20  7:50 ` [PATCH 7/8] common: dma-mapping: change alloc/free_coherent method to more generic alloc/free_attrs Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-20  7:50   ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-20  7:50   ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-20 14:45   ` KyongHo Cho
2011-06-20 14:45     ` KyongHo Cho
2011-06-20 14:45     ` KyongHo Cho
2011-06-20 15:06     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-06-20 15:06       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-06-20 15:06       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-06-20 15:06       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-06-20 15:14       ` [Linaro-mm-sig] " KyongHo Cho
2011-06-20 15:14         ` KyongHo Cho
2011-06-20 15:14         ` KyongHo Cho
2011-06-21 11:23     ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-21 11:23       ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-21 11:23       ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-22  0:00       ` [Linaro-mm-sig] " KyongHo Cho
2011-06-22  0:00         ` KyongHo Cho
2011-06-22  0:00         ` KyongHo Cho
2011-06-24  7:20         ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-24  7:20           ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-24  7:20           ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-24 15:51   ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-24 15:51     ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-24 15:51     ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-24 16:15     ` James Bottomley
2011-06-24 16:15       ` James Bottomley
2011-06-24 16:15       ` James Bottomley
2011-06-24 16:23       ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-24 16:23         ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-24 16:23         ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-27 12:23     ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-27 12:23       ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-27 12:23       ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-27 12:23       ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-27 13:22       ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-27 13:22         ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-27 13:22         ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-27 13:30         ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-27 13:30           ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-27 13:30           ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-24 15:53   ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-24 15:53     ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-24 15:53     ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-27 14:41     ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-27 14:41       ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-27 14:41       ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-20  7:50 ` [PATCH 8/8] ARM: dma-mapping: use alloc, mmap, free from dma_ops Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-20  7:50   ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-20  7:50   ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-22  6:53   ` [Linaro-mm-sig] " KyongHo Cho
2011-06-22  6:53     ` KyongHo Cho
2011-06-22  6:53     ` KyongHo Cho
2011-06-22  4:53 ` [Linaro-mm-sig] [PATCH/RFC 0/8] ARM: DMA-mapping framework redesign Subash Patel
2011-06-22  4:53   ` Subash Patel
2011-06-22  4:53   ` Subash Patel
2011-06-22  6:59   ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-22  6:59     ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-22  6:59     ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-22  8:53     ` Subash Patel
2011-06-22  8:53       ` Subash Patel
2011-06-22  8:53       ` Subash Patel
2011-06-22  9:27       ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-22  9:27         ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-22  9:27         ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-22 16:00         ` Jordan Crouse
2011-06-22 16:00           ` Jordan Crouse
2011-06-22 16:00           ` Jordan Crouse
2011-06-23 13:09           ` Subash Patel
2011-06-23 13:09             ` Subash Patel
2011-06-23 13:09             ` Subash Patel
2011-06-23 16:24             ` Michael K. Edwards
2011-06-23 16:24               ` Michael K. Edwards
2011-06-23 16:24               ` Michael K. Edwards
2011-06-23 22:09               ` Michael K. Edwards
2011-06-23 22:09                 ` Michael K. Edwards
2011-06-23 22:09                 ` Michael K. Edwards
2011-06-25  5:23                 ` Jonathan Morton
2011-06-25  5:23                   ` Jonathan Morton
2011-06-25  5:23                   ` Jonathan Morton
2011-06-25  9:55                   ` Michael K. Edwards
2011-06-25  9:55                     ` Michael K. Edwards
2011-06-25  9:55                     ` Michael K. Edwards
2011-06-26  0:06                     ` Jonathan Morton
2011-06-26  0:06                       ` Jonathan Morton
2011-06-26  0:06                       ` Jonathan Morton
2011-06-24 15:20           ` Arnd Bergmann [this message]
2011-06-24 15:20             ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-24 15:20             ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-24  9:18 ` Joerg Roedel
2011-06-24  9:18   ` Joerg Roedel
2011-06-24  9:18   ` Joerg Roedel
2011-06-24 14:26   ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-24 14:26     ` Marek Szyprowski
2011-06-24 14:26     ` Marek Szyprowski

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