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From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>
To: David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>
Cc: Konstantin Khlebnikov <khlebnikov@openvz.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] oom: skip frozen tasks
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 12:19:27 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110824101927.GB3505@tiehlicka.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1108231313520.21637@chino.kir.corp.google.com>

On Tue 23-08-11 13:18:14, David Rientjes wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Aug 2011, Konstantin Khlebnikov wrote:
> 
> > All frozen tasks are unkillable, and if one of them has TIF_MEMDIE
> > we must kill something else to avoid deadlock. After this patch
> > select_bad_process() will skip frozen task before checking TIF_MEMDIE.
> > 
> 
> The caveat is that if the task in the refrigerator is not OOM_DISABLE and 
> there are no other eligible tasks (system wide, in the cpuset, or in the 
> memcg) to kill, then the machine will panic as a result of this when, in 
> the past, we would simply issue the SIGKILL and keep looping in the page 
> allocator until it is thawed.

mem_cgroup_out_of_memory doesn't panic if nothing has been selected. We
will loop in the charge&reclaim path until somebody frees some memory.

> So you may actually be trading a stall waiting for this thread to thaw for 
> what would now be a panic, and that's not clearly better to me.

When we are in the global OOM condition then you are right, we have a
higher chance to panic. I still find the patch an improvement because
encountering a frozen task and looping over it without any progress
(even though there are other tasks that could be killed) is more
probable than having no killable task at all.
On non-NUMA machines there is even not a big chance that somebody would
be able to thaw a task as the system is already on knees.

-- 
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs
SUSE LINUX s.r.o.
Lihovarska 1060/12
190 00 Praha 9    
Czech Republic

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>
To: David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>
Cc: Konstantin Khlebnikov <khlebnikov@openvz.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] oom: skip frozen tasks
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 12:19:27 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110824101927.GB3505@tiehlicka.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1108231313520.21637@chino.kir.corp.google.com>

On Tue 23-08-11 13:18:14, David Rientjes wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Aug 2011, Konstantin Khlebnikov wrote:
> 
> > All frozen tasks are unkillable, and if one of them has TIF_MEMDIE
> > we must kill something else to avoid deadlock. After this patch
> > select_bad_process() will skip frozen task before checking TIF_MEMDIE.
> > 
> 
> The caveat is that if the task in the refrigerator is not OOM_DISABLE and 
> there are no other eligible tasks (system wide, in the cpuset, or in the 
> memcg) to kill, then the machine will panic as a result of this when, in 
> the past, we would simply issue the SIGKILL and keep looping in the page 
> allocator until it is thawed.

mem_cgroup_out_of_memory doesn't panic if nothing has been selected. We
will loop in the charge&reclaim path until somebody frees some memory.

> So you may actually be trading a stall waiting for this thread to thaw for 
> what would now be a panic, and that's not clearly better to me.

When we are in the global OOM condition then you are right, we have a
higher chance to panic. I still find the patch an improvement because
encountering a frozen task and looping over it without any progress
(even though there are other tasks that could be killed) is more
probable than having no killable task at all.
On non-NUMA machines there is even not a big chance that somebody would
be able to thaw a task as the system is already on knees.

-- 
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs
SUSE LINUX s.r.o.
Lihovarska 1060/12
190 00 Praha 9    
Czech Republic

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  reply	other threads:[~2011-08-24 10:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 88+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-08-23  8:31 [PATCH] oom: skip frozen tasks Konstantin Khlebnikov
2011-08-23  8:31 ` Konstantin Khlebnikov
2011-08-23  9:15 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-08-23  9:15   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-08-23 13:46 ` Michal Hocko
2011-08-23 13:46   ` Michal Hocko
2011-08-23 20:18 ` David Rientjes
2011-08-23 20:18   ` David Rientjes
2011-08-24 10:19   ` Michal Hocko [this message]
2011-08-24 10:19     ` Michal Hocko
2011-08-24 19:31     ` David Rientjes
2011-08-24 19:31       ` David Rientjes
2011-08-25  9:19       ` Michal Hocko
2011-08-25  9:19         ` Michal Hocko
2011-08-25 15:18         ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-08-25 15:18           ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-08-25 16:47           ` Michal Hocko
2011-08-25 16:47             ` Michal Hocko
2011-08-25 21:14             ` David Rientjes
2011-08-25 21:14               ` David Rientjes
2011-08-26  7:09               ` Michal Hocko
2011-08-26  7:09                 ` Michal Hocko
2011-08-26  8:56                 ` Michal Hocko
2011-08-26  8:56                   ` Michal Hocko
2011-08-26  9:21                   ` David Rientjes
2011-08-26  9:21                     ` David Rientjes
2011-08-26  9:53                     ` Michal Hocko
2011-08-26  9:53                       ` Michal Hocko
2011-08-26 11:01                       ` Michal Hocko
2011-08-26 11:01                         ` Michal Hocko
2011-08-26 18:13                       ` David Rientjes
2011-08-26 18:13                         ` David Rientjes
2011-09-26  8:28                         ` [PATCH 1/2] oom: do not live lock on " Michal Hocko
2011-09-26  8:28                           ` Michal Hocko
2011-09-26  8:56                           ` David Rientjes
2011-09-26  8:56                             ` David Rientjes
2011-09-26  9:14                             ` Michal Hocko
2011-09-26  9:14                               ` Michal Hocko
2011-09-26  9:25                               ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-09-26  9:25                                 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-09-26  9:32                                 ` Michal Hocko
2011-09-26  9:32                                   ` Michal Hocko
2011-09-26 15:51                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-09-26 15:51                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-09-26 18:28                                 ` Michal Hocko
2011-09-26 18:28                                   ` Michal Hocko
2011-09-27  1:03                                 ` David Rientjes
2011-09-27  1:03                                   ` David Rientjes
2011-09-27  7:52                                   ` Michal Hocko
2011-09-27  7:52                                     ` Michal Hocko
2011-09-27 18:30                                     ` David Rientjes
2011-09-27 18:30                                       ` David Rientjes
2011-09-26 10:28                           ` Rusty Russell
2011-09-26 10:28                             ` Rusty Russell
2011-09-26 11:05                             ` Michal Hocko
2011-09-26 11:05                               ` Michal Hocko
2011-09-27  2:21                               ` Rusty Russell
2011-09-27  2:21                                 ` Rusty Russell
2011-09-27  7:03                                 ` [PATCH] lguest: move process freezing before pending signals check Michal Hocko
2011-09-27  7:03                                   ` Michal Hocko
2011-09-26  8:35                         ` [PATCH 2/2] oom: give bonus to frozen processes Michal Hocko
2011-09-26  8:35                           ` Michal Hocko
2011-09-26  9:02                           ` David Rientjes
2011-09-26  9:02                             ` David Rientjes
2011-09-26  9:31                             ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-09-26  9:31                               ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-09-26  9:54                               ` Michal Hocko
2011-09-26  9:54                                 ` Michal Hocko
2011-08-26 21:03                     ` [PATCH] oom: skip frozen tasks Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-08-26 21:03                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-08-26 10:03                   ` Konstantin Khlebnikov
2011-08-26 10:03                     ` Konstantin Khlebnikov
2011-08-26 10:48                     ` Michal Hocko
2011-08-26 10:48                       ` Michal Hocko
2011-08-26 12:44                       ` Konstantin Khlebnikov
2011-08-26 12:44                         ` Konstantin Khlebnikov
2011-08-26 12:59                         ` Michal Hocko
2011-08-26 12:59                           ` Michal Hocko
2011-08-26  7:35               ` Konstantin Khlebnikov
2011-08-26  7:35                 ` Konstantin Khlebnikov
2011-08-26  9:09                 ` David Rientjes
2011-08-26  9:09                   ` David Rientjes
2011-08-26  9:59                   ` Konstantin Khlebnikov
2011-08-26  9:59                     ` Konstantin Khlebnikov
2011-08-26 18:09                     ` David Rientjes
2011-08-26 18:09                       ` David Rientjes
2011-08-25 21:03           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-08-25 21:03             ` Rafael J. Wysocki

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