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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@google.com>
To: Michel Lespinasse <walken@google.com>
Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Dave Hansen <dave@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <jweiner@redhat.com>,
	KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	Michael Wolf <mjwolf@us.ibm.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 6/8] kstaled: rate limit pages scanned per second.
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 16:15:23 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110922161523.f5b2193f.akpm@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1316230753-8693-7-git-send-email-walken@google.com>

On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 20:39:11 -0700
Michel Lespinasse <walken@google.com> wrote:

> Scan some number of pages from each node every second, instead of trying to
> scan the entime memory at once and being idle for the rest of the configured
> interval.

Well...  why?  The amount of work done per scan interval is the same
(actually, it will be slightly increased due to cache evictions).

I think we should see a good explanation of what observed problem this
hackery^Wtweak is trying to solve.  Once that is revealed, we can
compare the proposed solution with one based on thread policy/priority
(for example).

>
> ....
>
> @@ -5788,21 +5800,60 @@ static int kstaled(void *dummy)
>  		 */
>  		BUG_ON(scan_seconds <= 0);
>  
> -		for_each_mem_cgroup_all(mem)
> -			memset(&mem->idle_scan_stats, 0,
> -			       sizeof(mem->idle_scan_stats));
> +		earlier = jiffies;
>  
> +		scan_done = true;
>  		for_each_node_state(nid, N_HIGH_MEMORY)
> -			kstaled_scan_node(NODE_DATA(nid));
> +			scan_done &= kstaled_scan_node(NODE_DATA(nid),
> +						       scan_seconds, reset);
> +
> +		if (scan_done) {
> +			struct mem_cgroup *mem;
> +
> +			for_each_mem_cgroup_all(mem) {
> +				write_seqcount_begin(&mem->idle_page_stats_lock);
> +				mem->idle_page_stats = mem->idle_scan_stats;
> +				mem->idle_page_scans++;
> +				write_seqcount_end(&mem->idle_page_stats_lock);
> +				memset(&mem->idle_scan_stats, 0,
> +				       sizeof(mem->idle_scan_stats));
> +			}
> +		}
>  
> -		for_each_mem_cgroup_all(mem) {
> -			write_seqcount_begin(&mem->idle_page_stats_lock);
> -			mem->idle_page_stats = mem->idle_scan_stats;
> -			mem->idle_page_scans++;
> -			write_seqcount_end(&mem->idle_page_stats_lock);
> +		delta = jiffies - earlier;
> +		if (delta < HZ / 2) {
> +			delayed = 0;
> +			schedule_timeout_interruptible(HZ - delta);
> +		} else {
> +			/*
> +			 * Emergency throttle if we're taking too long.
> +			 * We are supposed to scan an entire slice in 1 second.
> +			 * If we keep taking longer for 10 consecutive times,
> +			 * scale back our scan_seconds.
> +			 *
> +			 * If someone changed kstaled_scan_seconds while we
> +			 * were running, hope they know what they're doing and
> +			 * assume they've eliminated any delays.
> +			 */
> +			bool updated = false;
> +			spin_lock(&kstaled_scan_seconds_lock);
> +			if (scan_seconds != kstaled_scan_seconds)
> +				delayed = 0;
> +			else if (++delayed == 10) {
> +				delayed = 0;
> +				scan_seconds *= 2;
> +				kstaled_scan_seconds = scan_seconds;
> +				updated = true;
> +			}
> +			spin_unlock(&kstaled_scan_seconds_lock);
> +			if (updated)
> +				pr_warning("kstaled taking too long, "
> +					   "scan_seconds now %d\n",
> +					   scan_seconds);
> +			schedule_timeout_interruptible(HZ / 2);

This is all rather unpleasing.

>  
> -		schedule_timeout_interruptible(scan_seconds * HZ);
> +		reset = scan_done;
>  	}
>  


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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@google.com>
To: Michel Lespinasse <walken@google.com>
Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Dave Hansen <dave@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <jweiner@redhat.com>,
	KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	Michael Wolf <mjwolf@us.ibm.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 6/8] kstaled: rate limit pages scanned per second.
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 16:15:23 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110922161523.f5b2193f.akpm@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1316230753-8693-7-git-send-email-walken@google.com>

On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 20:39:11 -0700
Michel Lespinasse <walken@google.com> wrote:

> Scan some number of pages from each node every second, instead of trying to
> scan the entime memory at once and being idle for the rest of the configured
> interval.

Well...  why?  The amount of work done per scan interval is the same
(actually, it will be slightly increased due to cache evictions).

I think we should see a good explanation of what observed problem this
hackery^Wtweak is trying to solve.  Once that is revealed, we can
compare the proposed solution with one based on thread policy/priority
(for example).

>
> ....
>
> @@ -5788,21 +5800,60 @@ static int kstaled(void *dummy)
>  		 */
>  		BUG_ON(scan_seconds <= 0);
>  
> -		for_each_mem_cgroup_all(mem)
> -			memset(&mem->idle_scan_stats, 0,
> -			       sizeof(mem->idle_scan_stats));
> +		earlier = jiffies;
>  
> +		scan_done = true;
>  		for_each_node_state(nid, N_HIGH_MEMORY)
> -			kstaled_scan_node(NODE_DATA(nid));
> +			scan_done &= kstaled_scan_node(NODE_DATA(nid),
> +						       scan_seconds, reset);
> +
> +		if (scan_done) {
> +			struct mem_cgroup *mem;
> +
> +			for_each_mem_cgroup_all(mem) {
> +				write_seqcount_begin(&mem->idle_page_stats_lock);
> +				mem->idle_page_stats = mem->idle_scan_stats;
> +				mem->idle_page_scans++;
> +				write_seqcount_end(&mem->idle_page_stats_lock);
> +				memset(&mem->idle_scan_stats, 0,
> +				       sizeof(mem->idle_scan_stats));
> +			}
> +		}
>  
> -		for_each_mem_cgroup_all(mem) {
> -			write_seqcount_begin(&mem->idle_page_stats_lock);
> -			mem->idle_page_stats = mem->idle_scan_stats;
> -			mem->idle_page_scans++;
> -			write_seqcount_end(&mem->idle_page_stats_lock);
> +		delta = jiffies - earlier;
> +		if (delta < HZ / 2) {
> +			delayed = 0;
> +			schedule_timeout_interruptible(HZ - delta);
> +		} else {
> +			/*
> +			 * Emergency throttle if we're taking too long.
> +			 * We are supposed to scan an entire slice in 1 second.
> +			 * If we keep taking longer for 10 consecutive times,
> +			 * scale back our scan_seconds.
> +			 *
> +			 * If someone changed kstaled_scan_seconds while we
> +			 * were running, hope they know what they're doing and
> +			 * assume they've eliminated any delays.
> +			 */
> +			bool updated = false;
> +			spin_lock(&kstaled_scan_seconds_lock);
> +			if (scan_seconds != kstaled_scan_seconds)
> +				delayed = 0;
> +			else if (++delayed == 10) {
> +				delayed = 0;
> +				scan_seconds *= 2;
> +				kstaled_scan_seconds = scan_seconds;
> +				updated = true;
> +			}
> +			spin_unlock(&kstaled_scan_seconds_lock);
> +			if (updated)
> +				pr_warning("kstaled taking too long, "
> +					   "scan_seconds now %d\n",
> +					   scan_seconds);
> +			schedule_timeout_interruptible(HZ / 2);

This is all rather unpleasing.

>  
> -		schedule_timeout_interruptible(scan_seconds * HZ);
> +		reset = scan_done;
>  	}
>  

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  reply	other threads:[~2011-09-22 23:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-09-17  3:39 [PATCH 0/8] idle page tracking / working set estimation Michel Lespinasse
2011-09-17  3:39 ` Michel Lespinasse
2011-09-17  3:39 ` [PATCH 1/8] page_referenced: replace vm_flags parameter with struct pr_info Michel Lespinasse
2011-09-17  3:39   ` Michel Lespinasse
2011-09-17  3:44   ` Joe Perches
2011-09-17  3:44     ` Joe Perches
2011-09-17  4:51     ` Michel Lespinasse
2011-09-17  4:51       ` Michel Lespinasse
2011-09-20 19:05   ` Rik van Riel
2011-09-20 19:05     ` Rik van Riel
2011-09-21  2:51     ` Michel Lespinasse
2011-09-21  2:51       ` Michel Lespinasse
2011-09-17  3:39 ` [PATCH 2/8] kstaled: documentation and config option Michel Lespinasse
2011-09-17  3:39   ` Michel Lespinasse
2011-09-20 21:23   ` Rik van Riel
2011-09-20 21:23     ` Rik van Riel
2011-09-23 19:27   ` Rik van Riel
2011-09-23 19:27     ` Rik van Riel
2011-09-17  3:39 ` [PATCH 3/8] kstaled: page_referenced_kstaled() and supporting infrastructure Michel Lespinasse
2011-09-17  3:39   ` Michel Lespinasse
2011-09-20 19:36   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-09-20 19:36     ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-09-17  3:39 ` [PATCH 4/8] kstaled: minimalistic implementation Michel Lespinasse
2011-09-17  3:39   ` Michel Lespinasse
2011-09-22 23:14   ` Andrew Morton
2011-09-22 23:14     ` Andrew Morton
2011-09-23  8:37     ` Michel Lespinasse
2011-09-23  8:37       ` Michel Lespinasse
2011-09-17  3:39 ` [PATCH 5/8] kstaled: skip non-RAM regions Michel Lespinasse
2011-09-17  3:39   ` Michel Lespinasse
2011-09-17  3:39 ` [PATCH 6/8] kstaled: rate limit pages scanned per second Michel Lespinasse
2011-09-17  3:39   ` Michel Lespinasse
2011-09-22 23:15   ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2011-09-22 23:15     ` Andrew Morton
2011-09-23 10:18     ` Michel Lespinasse
2011-09-23 10:18       ` Michel Lespinasse
2011-09-17  3:39 ` [PATCH 7/8] kstaled: add histogram sampling functionality Michel Lespinasse
2011-09-17  3:39   ` Michel Lespinasse
2011-09-22 23:15   ` Andrew Morton
2011-09-22 23:15     ` Andrew Morton
2011-09-23 10:26     ` Michel Lespinasse
2011-09-23 10:26       ` Michel Lespinasse
2011-09-17  3:39 ` [PATCH 8/8] kstaled: add incrementally updating stale page count Michel Lespinasse
2011-09-17  3:39   ` Michel Lespinasse
2011-09-22 23:13 ` [PATCH 0/8] idle page tracking / working set estimation Andrew Morton
2011-09-22 23:13   ` Andrew Morton
2011-09-23  1:23   ` Michel Lespinasse
2011-09-23  1:23     ` Michel Lespinasse
2011-09-27 10:03 ` Balbir Singh
2011-09-27 10:03   ` Balbir Singh
2011-09-27 10:14   ` Michel Lespinasse
2011-09-27 10:14     ` Michel Lespinasse
2011-09-27 16:50     ` Balbir Singh
2011-09-27 16:50       ` Balbir Singh

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