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From: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Li Zefan <lizf@cn.fujitsu.com>,
	containers@lists.linux-foundation.org, cgroups@vger.kernel.org,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Kay Sievers <kay.sievers@vrfy.org>,
	Lennart Poettering <lennart@poettering.net>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
Subject: Re: [RFD] cgroup: about multiple hierarchies
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 10:01:12 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120222180112.GB32694@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1329917459.24994.14.camel@twins>

Hey, Peter.

On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 02:30:59PM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> FWIW I'm all for ripping the orthogonal hierarchy crap out, I hate it
> just about as much as you do judging from your write-up.

I just don't get why it's there.  Maybe, there can be some remote use
cases where orthogonal hierarchies can be useful but structuring whole
cgroup around that seems really extreme.

> I'm not sure on your process hierarchy pie though, I rather like being
> able to assign tasks to cgroups of my making without having to mirror
> that in the process hierarchy.

The only question is whether we want to allow cgroup hierarchy to be
completely orthogonal from process tree structure, which I don't think
is a good idea.  It shouldn't affect trivial use cases.  If not
explicitly configured, all tasks would live in a single root cgroup -
much like every process would belong to the same session if nobody
does setsid() since boot (or container).

I don't know how the implementation would turn out and it may as well
stay separate as it is now but I still think the topology should match
pstree.

Thanks.

-- 
tejun

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From: Tejun Heo <tj-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Li Zefan <lizf-BthXqXjhjHXQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>,
	containers-cunTk1MwBs9QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org,
	cgroups-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Andrew Morton
	<akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>,
	Kay Sievers <kay.sievers-tD+1rO4QERM@public.gmane.org>,
	Lennart Poettering
	<lennart-mdGvqq1h2p+GdvJs77BJ7Q@public.gmane.org>,
	Frederic Weisbecker
	<fweisbec-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch-jcswGhMUV9g@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [RFD] cgroup: about multiple hierarchies
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 10:01:12 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120222180112.GB32694@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1329917459.24994.14.camel@twins>

Hey, Peter.

On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 02:30:59PM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> FWIW I'm all for ripping the orthogonal hierarchy crap out, I hate it
> just about as much as you do judging from your write-up.

I just don't get why it's there.  Maybe, there can be some remote use
cases where orthogonal hierarchies can be useful but structuring whole
cgroup around that seems really extreme.

> I'm not sure on your process hierarchy pie though, I rather like being
> able to assign tasks to cgroups of my making without having to mirror
> that in the process hierarchy.

The only question is whether we want to allow cgroup hierarchy to be
completely orthogonal from process tree structure, which I don't think
is a good idea.  It shouldn't affect trivial use cases.  If not
explicitly configured, all tasks would live in a single root cgroup -
much like every process would belong to the same session if nobody
does setsid() since boot (or container).

I don't know how the implementation would turn out and it may as well
stay separate as it is now but I still think the topology should match
pstree.

Thanks.

-- 
tejun

  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-02-22 18:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 211+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-02-21 21:19 [RFD] cgroup: about multiple hierarchies Tejun Heo
2012-02-21 21:19 ` Tejun Heo
2012-02-21 21:21 ` Tejun Heo
2012-02-21 21:21   ` Tejun Heo
2012-02-22 13:34   ` Glauber Costa
2012-02-22 13:34     ` Glauber Costa
2012-02-23  7:45     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2012-02-23  7:45       ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]       ` <20120223074526.GA15835-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-23 17:29         ` Tejun Heo
2012-02-23 17:29           ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]           ` <20120223172915.GC22536-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-23 18:47             ` Serge Hallyn
2012-02-23 18:47               ` Serge Hallyn
     [not found]     ` <4F44EEE4.2000809-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-23  7:45       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2012-02-26  4:59   ` Konstantin Khlebnikov
2012-02-26  4:59     ` Konstantin Khlebnikov
     [not found]   ` <20120221212106.GF12236-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-22 13:34     ` Glauber Costa
2012-02-26  4:59     ` Konstantin Khlebnikov
2012-02-22 13:30 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-22 13:30   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-22 13:37   ` Glauber Costa
2012-02-22 13:37     ` Glauber Costa
2012-02-22 13:37   ` Glauber Costa
2012-02-22 18:01   ` Tejun Heo [this message]
2012-02-22 18:01     ` Tejun Heo
2012-02-22 18:01   ` Tejun Heo
2012-02-23  7:39   ` Li Zefan
2012-02-23  7:39   ` Li Zefan
2012-02-23  7:39     ` Li Zefan
2012-02-22 16:38 ` Vivek Goyal
2012-02-22 16:38   ` Vivek Goyal
2012-02-22 16:57   ` Vivek Goyal
2012-02-22 16:57     ` Vivek Goyal
2012-02-22 18:43     ` Tejun Heo
2012-02-22 18:43       ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]     ` <20120222165714.GC4128-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-22 18:43       ` Tejun Heo
2012-02-23  9:41       ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-23  9:41         ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-23 14:13         ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-23 14:13           ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-01 17:19           ` Michal Schmidt
2012-03-01 17:19             ` Michal Schmidt
     [not found]             ` <4F4FAF89.3090706-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-01 18:03               ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-01 18:03                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-02 11:08                 ` Michal Schmidt
2012-03-02 11:08                   ` Michal Schmidt
     [not found]                   ` <4F50AA22.9080007-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-02 11:23                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-02 11:23                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-02 11:23                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-02 11:28                     ` Michal Schmidt
2012-03-02 11:28                       ` Michal Schmidt
     [not found]                       ` <4F50AEC3.5090807-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-02 11:34                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-02 11:34                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-01 20:26               ` Mike Galbraith
2012-03-01 20:26             ` Mike Galbraith
2012-03-01 20:26               ` Mike Galbraith
2012-03-01 21:02               ` Vivek Goyal
2012-03-01 21:02                 ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]                 ` <20120301210213.GF13533-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-01 22:04                   ` Mike Galbraith
2012-03-01 22:04                 ` Mike Galbraith
2012-03-01 22:04                   ` Mike Galbraith
2012-03-01 22:38                   ` C Anthony Risinger
2012-03-01 22:38                     ` C Anthony Risinger
     [not found]                   ` <1330639448.7414.97.camel-YqMYhexLQo31wTEvPJ5Q0F6hYfS7NtTn@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-01 22:38                     ` C Anthony Risinger
2012-03-02 10:51                     ` Michal Schmidt
2012-03-02 10:51                       ` Michal Schmidt
2012-03-02 11:52                       ` Mike Galbraith
2012-03-02 11:52                         ` Mike Galbraith
     [not found]                       ` <4F50A63F.40306-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-02 11:52                         ` Mike Galbraith
2012-03-05 12:43                     ` Lennart Poettering
2012-03-05 12:43                       ` Lennart Poettering
2012-03-05 15:47                       ` Mike Galbraith
2012-03-05 15:47                         ` Mike Galbraith
     [not found]                         ` <1330962421.7368.69.camel-YqMYhexLQo31wTEvPJ5Q0F6hYfS7NtTn@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-05 19:58                           ` Mike Galbraith
2012-03-05 19:58                             ` Mike Galbraith
     [not found]                       ` <20120305124310.GD10929-kS5D54t9nk0aINubkmmoJbNAH6kLmebB@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-05 15:47                         ` Mike Galbraith
     [not found]               ` <1330633603.7414.49.camel-YqMYhexLQo31wTEvPJ5Q0F6hYfS7NtTn@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-01 21:02                 ` Vivek Goyal
2012-03-02  2:43                 ` Kay Sievers
2012-03-02  2:43                   ` Kay Sievers
2012-03-02 10:15                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-02 10:15                     ` Peter Zijlstra
     [not found]                   ` <CAPXgP12_A=uz_p92eBN49DTSKj7iP0rChW9cE81aZKWEjOH5nA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-02 10:15                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-02 11:16                 ` Michal Schmidt
2012-03-02 11:16                   ` Michal Schmidt
     [not found]                   ` <4F50ABF2.5070809-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-02 11:24                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-02 11:24                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-02 11:24                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-23 21:38         ` Vivek Goyal
2012-02-23 21:38           ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]           ` <20120223213847.GK19691-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-23 22:34             ` Tejun Heo
2012-02-23 22:34               ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]               ` <20120223223457.GJ22536-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-28 21:16                 ` Vivek Goyal
2012-02-28 21:16                   ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]                   ` <20120228211627.GH9920-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-28 21:21                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-28 21:21                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-28 21:35                       ` Vivek Goyal
2012-02-28 21:35                         ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]                         ` <20120228213526.GI9920-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-28 21:43                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-28 21:43                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-28 21:54                             ` Vivek Goyal
2012-02-28 21:54                               ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]                               ` <20120228215439.GJ9920-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-28 22:00                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-28 22:00                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-28 22:31                                   ` Vivek Goyal
2012-02-28 22:31                                     ` Vivek Goyal
2012-02-28 21:53                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-28 21:53                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-28 22:09                             ` Vivek Goyal
2012-02-28 22:09                               ` Vivek Goyal
2012-02-24 11:33             ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-24 11:33               ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-22 18:33   ` Tejun Heo
2012-02-22 18:33     ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]     ` <20120222183351.GD32694-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-23 19:41       ` Vivek Goyal
2012-02-23 19:41         ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]         ` <20120223194109.GI19691-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-23 22:38           ` Tejun Heo
2012-02-23 22:38         ` Tejun Heo
2012-02-23 22:38           ` Tejun Heo
2012-02-23  7:59   ` Li Zefan
2012-02-23  7:59     ` Li Zefan
     [not found]     ` <4F45F1F0.2010102-BthXqXjhjHXQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-23 20:32       ` Vivek Goyal
2012-02-23 20:32         ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]   ` <20120222163858.GB4128-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-22 16:57     ` Vivek Goyal
2012-02-22 18:33     ` Tejun Heo
2012-02-23  7:59     ` Li Zefan
2012-02-23  8:22 ` Li Zefan
2012-02-23  8:22   ` Li Zefan
2012-02-23 17:33   ` Tejun Heo
2012-02-23 17:33     ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]   ` <4F45F742.1060605-BthXqXjhjHXQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-23 17:33     ` Tejun Heo
2012-03-05 11:37 ` Lennart Poettering
2012-03-05 11:37   ` Lennart Poettering
     [not found] ` <20120221211938.GE12236-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-21 21:21   ` Tejun Heo
2012-02-22 13:30   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-22 15:45   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2012-02-22 15:45     ` Frederic Weisbecker
     [not found]     ` <20120222154501.GA1693-oHC15RC7JGTpAmv0O++HtFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-22 18:22       ` Tejun Heo
2012-02-22 18:22     ` Tejun Heo
2012-02-22 18:22       ` Tejun Heo
2012-02-27 17:46       ` Frederic Weisbecker
     [not found]       ` <20120222182207.GC32694-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-27 17:46         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2012-02-22 16:38   ` Vivek Goyal
2012-02-23  8:22   ` Li Zefan
2012-03-03  9:58   ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-03-03 14:26     ` Serge Hallyn
2012-03-03 14:26       ` Serge Hallyn
     [not found]     ` <m162em2efy.fsf-+imSwln9KH6u2/kzUuoCbdi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-03 14:26       ` Serge Hallyn
2012-03-05 11:37   ` Lennart Poettering
2012-03-12 22:10   ` Tejun Heo
2012-03-12 22:10 ` Tejun Heo
2012-03-12 22:10   ` Tejun Heo
2012-03-12 22:22   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-12 22:22     ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-12 22:28     ` Tejun Heo
2012-03-12 22:28       ` Tejun Heo
2012-03-12 22:31       ` Lennart Poettering
2012-03-12 22:31         ` Lennart Poettering
2012-03-12 23:00         ` Tejun Heo
2012-03-12 23:00           ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]           ` <20120312230020.GL23255-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-12 23:02             ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-12 23:02               ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-12 23:09               ` Tejun Heo
2012-03-12 23:09               ` Tejun Heo
2012-03-12 23:09                 ` Tejun Heo
2012-03-12 23:43               ` Lennart Poettering
2012-03-12 23:43                 ` Lennart Poettering
     [not found]         ` <20120312223113.GB18359-kS5D54t9nk0aINubkmmoJbNAH6kLmebB@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-12 23:00           ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]       ` <20120312222817.GI23255-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-12 22:31         ` Lennart Poettering
2012-03-12 22:32         ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-12 22:32           ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-12 22:39           ` Tejun Heo
2012-03-12 22:39             ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]             ` <20120312223944.GJ23255-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-12 22:44               ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-12 22:44                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-12 23:04                 ` Tejun Heo
2012-03-12 23:04                   ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                   ` <20120312230416.GM23255-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-13 14:10                     ` Vivek Goyal
2012-03-13 14:10                       ` Vivek Goyal
2012-03-13 16:11                       ` C Anthony Risinger
2012-03-13 16:11                         ` C Anthony Risinger
     [not found]                         ` <CAGAVQTGus7LUWV3AdhAFy--gr=uJRWtSGjuP69-EckBiXy0qVg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-13 16:30                           ` C Anthony Risinger
2012-03-13 16:30                             ` C Anthony Risinger
     [not found]                       ` <20120313141032.GD29169-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-13 16:11                         ` C Anthony Risinger
2012-03-13 17:25                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-13 17:25                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-13 17:31                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-13 17:31                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-13 10:11                 ` Glauber Costa
2012-03-13 10:11                   ` Glauber Costa
2012-03-13 10:11                 ` Glauber Costa
2012-03-12 22:39           ` Tejun Heo
2012-03-13 14:03         ` Vivek Goyal
2012-03-13 14:03           ` Vivek Goyal
2012-03-13 15:59           ` Tejun Heo
2012-03-13 15:59             ` Tejun Heo
2012-03-16 23:14             ` James Bottomley
2012-03-16 23:14               ` James Bottomley
     [not found]             ` <20120313155955.GB7349-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-16 23:14               ` James Bottomley
     [not found]           ` <20120313140345.GC29169-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-13 15:59             ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]   ` <20120312221050.GG23255-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-12 22:22     ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-12 22:37     ` Serge Hallyn
2012-03-13 13:49     ` Vivek Goyal
2012-03-13 13:49       ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]       ` <20120313134922.GB29169-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-13 16:02         ` Tejun Heo
2012-03-13 16:02       ` Tejun Heo
2012-03-13 16:02         ` Tejun Heo
2012-03-12 22:37   ` Serge Hallyn
2012-03-12 22:37     ` Serge Hallyn
2012-03-12 22:55     ` Tejun Heo
2012-03-12 22:55       ` Tejun Heo
2012-03-12 22:55     ` Tejun Heo
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2012-02-21 21:19 Tejun Heo

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