From: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org> To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> Cc: Li Zefan <lizf@cn.fujitsu.com>, containers@lists.linux-foundation.org, cgroups@vger.kernel.org, Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>, Kay Sievers <kay.sievers@vrfy.org>, Lennart Poettering <lennart@poettering.net>, Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de> Subject: Re: [RFD] cgroup: about multiple hierarchies Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 10:01:12 -0800 [thread overview] Message-ID: <20120222180112.GB32694@google.com> (raw) In-Reply-To: <1329917459.24994.14.camel@twins> Hey, Peter. On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 02:30:59PM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote: > FWIW I'm all for ripping the orthogonal hierarchy crap out, I hate it > just about as much as you do judging from your write-up. I just don't get why it's there. Maybe, there can be some remote use cases where orthogonal hierarchies can be useful but structuring whole cgroup around that seems really extreme. > I'm not sure on your process hierarchy pie though, I rather like being > able to assign tasks to cgroups of my making without having to mirror > that in the process hierarchy. The only question is whether we want to allow cgroup hierarchy to be completely orthogonal from process tree structure, which I don't think is a good idea. It shouldn't affect trivial use cases. If not explicitly configured, all tasks would live in a single root cgroup - much like every process would belong to the same session if nobody does setsid() since boot (or container). I don't know how the implementation would turn out and it may as well stay separate as it is now but I still think the topology should match pstree. Thanks. -- tejun
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From: Tejun Heo <tj-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org> To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org> Cc: Li Zefan <lizf-BthXqXjhjHXQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>, containers-cunTk1MwBs9QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org, cgroups-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org, Andrew Morton <akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>, Kay Sievers <kay.sievers-tD+1rO4QERM@public.gmane.org>, Lennart Poettering <lennart-mdGvqq1h2p+GdvJs77BJ7Q@public.gmane.org>, Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>, linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org, Christoph Hellwig <hch-jcswGhMUV9g@public.gmane.org> Subject: Re: [RFD] cgroup: about multiple hierarchies Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 10:01:12 -0800 [thread overview] Message-ID: <20120222180112.GB32694@google.com> (raw) In-Reply-To: <1329917459.24994.14.camel@twins> Hey, Peter. On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 02:30:59PM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote: > FWIW I'm all for ripping the orthogonal hierarchy crap out, I hate it > just about as much as you do judging from your write-up. I just don't get why it's there. Maybe, there can be some remote use cases where orthogonal hierarchies can be useful but structuring whole cgroup around that seems really extreme. > I'm not sure on your process hierarchy pie though, I rather like being > able to assign tasks to cgroups of my making without having to mirror > that in the process hierarchy. The only question is whether we want to allow cgroup hierarchy to be completely orthogonal from process tree structure, which I don't think is a good idea. It shouldn't affect trivial use cases. If not explicitly configured, all tasks would live in a single root cgroup - much like every process would belong to the same session if nobody does setsid() since boot (or container). I don't know how the implementation would turn out and it may as well stay separate as it is now but I still think the topology should match pstree. Thanks. -- tejun
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2012-02-22 18:01 UTC|newest] Thread overview: 211+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top 2012-02-21 21:19 [RFD] cgroup: about multiple hierarchies Tejun Heo 2012-02-21 21:19 ` Tejun Heo 2012-02-21 21:21 ` Tejun Heo 2012-02-21 21:21 ` Tejun Heo 2012-02-22 13:34 ` Glauber Costa 2012-02-22 13:34 ` Glauber Costa 2012-02-23 7:45 ` Serge E. Hallyn 2012-02-23 7:45 ` Serge E. Hallyn [not found] ` <20120223074526.GA15835-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org> 2012-02-23 17:29 ` Tejun Heo 2012-02-23 17:29 ` Tejun Heo [not found] ` <20120223172915.GC22536-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> 2012-02-23 18:47 ` Serge Hallyn 2012-02-23 18:47 ` Serge Hallyn [not found] ` <4F44EEE4.2000809-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org> 2012-02-23 7:45 ` Serge E. Hallyn 2012-02-26 4:59 ` Konstantin Khlebnikov 2012-02-26 4:59 ` Konstantin Khlebnikov [not found] ` <20120221212106.GF12236-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> 2012-02-22 13:34 ` Glauber Costa 2012-02-26 4:59 ` Konstantin Khlebnikov 2012-02-22 13:30 ` Peter Zijlstra 2012-02-22 13:30 ` Peter Zijlstra 2012-02-22 13:37 ` Glauber Costa 2012-02-22 13:37 ` Glauber Costa 2012-02-22 13:37 ` Glauber Costa 2012-02-22 18:01 ` Tejun Heo [this message] 2012-02-22 18:01 ` Tejun Heo 2012-02-22 18:01 ` Tejun Heo 2012-02-23 7:39 ` Li Zefan 2012-02-23 7:39 ` Li Zefan 2012-02-23 7:39 ` Li Zefan 2012-02-22 16:38 ` Vivek Goyal 2012-02-22 16:38 ` Vivek Goyal 2012-02-22 16:57 ` Vivek Goyal 2012-02-22 16:57 ` Vivek Goyal 2012-02-22 18:43 ` Tejun Heo 2012-02-22 18:43 ` Tejun Heo [not found] ` <20120222165714.GC4128-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> 2012-02-22 18:43 ` Tejun Heo 2012-02-23 9:41 ` Peter Zijlstra 2012-02-23 9:41 ` Peter Zijlstra 2012-02-23 14:13 ` Peter Zijlstra 2012-02-23 14:13 ` Peter Zijlstra 2012-03-01 17:19 ` Michal Schmidt 2012-03-01 17:19 ` Michal Schmidt [not found] ` <4F4FAF89.3090706-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> 2012-03-01 18:03 ` Peter Zijlstra 2012-03-01 18:03 ` Peter Zijlstra 2012-03-02 11:08 ` Michal Schmidt 2012-03-02 11:08 ` Michal Schmidt [not found] ` <4F50AA22.9080007-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> 2012-03-02 11:23 ` Peter Zijlstra 2012-03-02 11:23 ` Peter Zijlstra 2012-03-02 11:23 ` Peter Zijlstra 2012-03-02 11:28 ` Michal Schmidt 2012-03-02 11:28 ` Michal Schmidt [not found] ` <4F50AEC3.5090807-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> 2012-03-02 11:34 ` Peter Zijlstra 2012-03-02 11:34 ` Peter Zijlstra 2012-03-01 20:26 ` Mike Galbraith 2012-03-01 20:26 ` Mike Galbraith 2012-03-01 20:26 ` Mike Galbraith 2012-03-01 21:02 ` Vivek Goyal 2012-03-01 21:02 ` Vivek Goyal [not found] ` <20120301210213.GF13533-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> 2012-03-01 22:04 ` Mike Galbraith 2012-03-01 22:04 ` Mike Galbraith 2012-03-01 22:04 ` Mike Galbraith 2012-03-01 22:38 ` C Anthony Risinger 2012-03-01 22:38 ` C Anthony Risinger [not found] ` <1330639448.7414.97.camel-YqMYhexLQo31wTEvPJ5Q0F6hYfS7NtTn@public.gmane.org> 2012-03-01 22:38 ` C Anthony Risinger 2012-03-02 10:51 ` Michal Schmidt 2012-03-02 10:51 ` Michal Schmidt 2012-03-02 11:52 ` Mike Galbraith 2012-03-02 11:52 ` Mike Galbraith [not found] ` <4F50A63F.40306-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> 2012-03-02 11:52 ` Mike Galbraith 2012-03-05 12:43 ` Lennart Poettering 2012-03-05 12:43 ` Lennart Poettering 2012-03-05 15:47 ` Mike Galbraith 2012-03-05 15:47 ` Mike Galbraith [not found] ` <1330962421.7368.69.camel-YqMYhexLQo31wTEvPJ5Q0F6hYfS7NtTn@public.gmane.org> 2012-03-05 19:58 ` Mike Galbraith 2012-03-05 19:58 ` Mike Galbraith [not found] ` <20120305124310.GD10929-kS5D54t9nk0aINubkmmoJbNAH6kLmebB@public.gmane.org> 2012-03-05 15:47 ` Mike Galbraith [not found] ` <1330633603.7414.49.camel-YqMYhexLQo31wTEvPJ5Q0F6hYfS7NtTn@public.gmane.org> 2012-03-01 21:02 ` Vivek Goyal 2012-03-02 2:43 ` Kay Sievers 2012-03-02 2:43 ` Kay Sievers 2012-03-02 10:15 ` Peter Zijlstra 2012-03-02 10:15 ` Peter Zijlstra [not found] ` <CAPXgP12_A=uz_p92eBN49DTSKj7iP0rChW9cE81aZKWEjOH5nA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> 2012-03-02 10:15 ` Peter Zijlstra 2012-03-02 11:16 ` Michal Schmidt 2012-03-02 11:16 ` Michal Schmidt [not found] ` <4F50ABF2.5070809-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> 2012-03-02 11:24 ` Peter Zijlstra 2012-03-02 11:24 ` Peter Zijlstra 2012-03-02 11:24 ` Peter Zijlstra 2012-02-23 21:38 ` Vivek Goyal 2012-02-23 21:38 ` Vivek Goyal [not found] ` <20120223213847.GK19691-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> 2012-02-23 22:34 ` Tejun Heo 2012-02-23 22:34 ` Tejun Heo [not found] ` <20120223223457.GJ22536-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> 2012-02-28 21:16 ` Vivek Goyal 2012-02-28 21:16 ` Vivek Goyal [not found] ` <20120228211627.GH9920-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> 2012-02-28 21:21 ` Peter Zijlstra 2012-02-28 21:21 ` Peter Zijlstra 2012-02-28 21:35 ` Vivek Goyal 2012-02-28 21:35 ` Vivek Goyal [not found] ` <20120228213526.GI9920-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> 2012-02-28 21:43 ` Peter Zijlstra 2012-02-28 21:43 ` Peter Zijlstra 2012-02-28 21:54 ` Vivek Goyal 2012-02-28 21:54 ` Vivek Goyal [not found] ` <20120228215439.GJ9920-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> 2012-02-28 22:00 ` Peter Zijlstra 2012-02-28 22:00 ` Peter Zijlstra 2012-02-28 22:31 ` Vivek Goyal 2012-02-28 22:31 ` Vivek Goyal 2012-02-28 21:53 ` Peter Zijlstra 2012-02-28 21:53 ` Peter Zijlstra 2012-02-28 22:09 ` Vivek Goyal 2012-02-28 22:09 ` Vivek Goyal 2012-02-24 11:33 ` Peter Zijlstra 2012-02-24 11:33 ` Peter Zijlstra 2012-02-22 18:33 ` Tejun Heo 2012-02-22 18:33 ` Tejun Heo [not found] ` <20120222183351.GD32694-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> 2012-02-23 19:41 ` Vivek Goyal 2012-02-23 19:41 ` Vivek Goyal [not found] ` <20120223194109.GI19691-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> 2012-02-23 22:38 ` Tejun Heo 2012-02-23 22:38 ` Tejun Heo 2012-02-23 22:38 ` Tejun Heo 2012-02-23 7:59 ` Li Zefan 2012-02-23 7:59 ` Li Zefan [not found] ` <4F45F1F0.2010102-BthXqXjhjHXQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org> 2012-02-23 20:32 ` Vivek Goyal 2012-02-23 20:32 ` Vivek Goyal [not found] ` <20120222163858.GB4128-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> 2012-02-22 16:57 ` Vivek Goyal 2012-02-22 18:33 ` Tejun Heo 2012-02-23 7:59 ` Li Zefan 2012-02-23 8:22 ` Li Zefan 2012-02-23 8:22 ` Li Zefan 2012-02-23 17:33 ` Tejun Heo 2012-02-23 17:33 ` Tejun Heo [not found] ` <4F45F742.1060605-BthXqXjhjHXQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org> 2012-02-23 17:33 ` Tejun Heo 2012-03-05 11:37 ` Lennart Poettering 2012-03-05 11:37 ` Lennart Poettering [not found] ` <20120221211938.GE12236-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> 2012-02-21 21:21 ` Tejun Heo 2012-02-22 13:30 ` Peter Zijlstra 2012-02-22 15:45 ` Frederic Weisbecker 2012-02-22 15:45 ` Frederic Weisbecker [not found] ` <20120222154501.GA1693-oHC15RC7JGTpAmv0O++HtFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org> 2012-02-22 18:22 ` Tejun Heo 2012-02-22 18:22 ` Tejun Heo 2012-02-22 18:22 ` Tejun Heo 2012-02-27 17:46 ` Frederic Weisbecker [not found] ` <20120222182207.GC32694-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> 2012-02-27 17:46 ` Frederic Weisbecker 2012-02-22 16:38 ` Vivek Goyal 2012-02-23 8:22 ` Li Zefan 2012-03-03 9:58 ` Eric W. Biederman 2012-03-03 14:26 ` Serge Hallyn 2012-03-03 14:26 ` Serge Hallyn [not found] ` <m162em2efy.fsf-+imSwln9KH6u2/kzUuoCbdi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org> 2012-03-03 14:26 ` Serge Hallyn 2012-03-05 11:37 ` Lennart Poettering 2012-03-12 22:10 ` Tejun Heo 2012-03-12 22:10 ` Tejun Heo 2012-03-12 22:10 ` Tejun Heo 2012-03-12 22:22 ` Peter Zijlstra 2012-03-12 22:22 ` Peter Zijlstra 2012-03-12 22:28 ` Tejun Heo 2012-03-12 22:28 ` Tejun Heo 2012-03-12 22:31 ` Lennart Poettering 2012-03-12 22:31 ` Lennart Poettering 2012-03-12 23:00 ` Tejun Heo 2012-03-12 23:00 ` Tejun Heo [not found] ` <20120312230020.GL23255-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> 2012-03-12 23:02 ` Peter Zijlstra 2012-03-12 23:02 ` Peter Zijlstra 2012-03-12 23:09 ` Tejun Heo 2012-03-12 23:09 ` Tejun Heo 2012-03-12 23:09 ` Tejun Heo 2012-03-12 23:43 ` Lennart Poettering 2012-03-12 23:43 ` Lennart Poettering [not found] ` <20120312223113.GB18359-kS5D54t9nk0aINubkmmoJbNAH6kLmebB@public.gmane.org> 2012-03-12 23:00 ` Tejun Heo [not found] ` <20120312222817.GI23255-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> 2012-03-12 22:31 ` Lennart Poettering 2012-03-12 22:32 ` Peter Zijlstra 2012-03-12 22:32 ` Peter Zijlstra 2012-03-12 22:39 ` Tejun Heo 2012-03-12 22:39 ` Tejun Heo [not found] ` <20120312223944.GJ23255-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> 2012-03-12 22:44 ` Peter Zijlstra 2012-03-12 22:44 ` Peter Zijlstra 2012-03-12 23:04 ` Tejun Heo 2012-03-12 23:04 ` Tejun Heo [not found] ` <20120312230416.GM23255-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> 2012-03-13 14:10 ` Vivek Goyal 2012-03-13 14:10 ` Vivek Goyal 2012-03-13 16:11 ` C Anthony Risinger 2012-03-13 16:11 ` C Anthony Risinger [not found] ` <CAGAVQTGus7LUWV3AdhAFy--gr=uJRWtSGjuP69-EckBiXy0qVg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> 2012-03-13 16:30 ` C Anthony Risinger 2012-03-13 16:30 ` C Anthony Risinger [not found] ` <20120313141032.GD29169-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> 2012-03-13 16:11 ` C Anthony Risinger 2012-03-13 17:25 ` Peter Zijlstra 2012-03-13 17:25 ` Peter Zijlstra 2012-03-13 17:31 ` Peter Zijlstra 2012-03-13 17:31 ` Peter Zijlstra 2012-03-13 10:11 ` Glauber Costa 2012-03-13 10:11 ` Glauber Costa 2012-03-13 10:11 ` Glauber Costa 2012-03-12 22:39 ` Tejun Heo 2012-03-13 14:03 ` Vivek Goyal 2012-03-13 14:03 ` Vivek Goyal 2012-03-13 15:59 ` Tejun Heo 2012-03-13 15:59 ` Tejun Heo 2012-03-16 23:14 ` James Bottomley 2012-03-16 23:14 ` James Bottomley [not found] ` <20120313155955.GB7349-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> 2012-03-16 23:14 ` James Bottomley [not found] ` <20120313140345.GC29169-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> 2012-03-13 15:59 ` Tejun Heo [not found] ` <20120312221050.GG23255-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> 2012-03-12 22:22 ` Peter Zijlstra 2012-03-12 22:37 ` Serge Hallyn 2012-03-13 13:49 ` Vivek Goyal 2012-03-13 13:49 ` Vivek Goyal [not found] ` <20120313134922.GB29169-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> 2012-03-13 16:02 ` Tejun Heo 2012-03-13 16:02 ` Tejun Heo 2012-03-13 16:02 ` Tejun Heo 2012-03-12 22:37 ` Serge Hallyn 2012-03-12 22:37 ` Serge Hallyn 2012-03-12 22:55 ` Tejun Heo 2012-03-12 22:55 ` Tejun Heo 2012-03-12 22:55 ` Tejun Heo -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below -- 2012-02-21 21:19 Tejun Heo
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