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From: Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Cc: libvir-list@redhat.com, Jiri Denemark <jdenemar@redhat.com>,
	Eduardo Habkost <ehabkost@redhat.com>,
	Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [libvirt] Modern CPU models cannot be used with libvirt
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 11:53:38 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120326095338.GM22368@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4F703200.4050008@redhat.com>

On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 11:08:16AM +0200, Avi Kivity wrote:
> >> Exactly.  The types are no different, so there's no reason to
> >> discriminate against types that happen to live in qemu-provided data
> >> files vs. qemu code.  They aren't instantiated, so we lose nothing by
> >> creating the factories (just so long as the factories aren't
> >> mass-producing objects).
> >
> >
> > At some point, I'd like to have type modules that are shared objects. 
> > I'd like QEMU to start with almost no builtin types and allow the user
> > to configure which modules get loaded.
> >
> > In the long term, I'd like QEMU to be a small, robust core with the
> > vast majority of code relegated to modules with the user ultimately in
> > control of module loading.
> >
> > Yes, I'd want some module autoloading system but there should always
> > be a way to launch QEMU without loading any modules and then load a
> > very specific set of modules (as defined by the user).
> >
> > You can imagine this being useful for something like Common Criteria
> > certifications.
> 
> Okay.
> 
Modularised minimal QEMU may be a good thing, but how -nodefconfig helps
here? Won't you have the same effect if QEMU will load modules on demand,
only when they are actually needed (regardless of -nodefconfig). i.e
virtio-blk is loaded only if there is -device virtio-blk somewhere in
configuration.

> > It's obviously defined for a given release, just not defined long term.
> >
> >> If I see something like -nodefconfig, I assume it will create a bare
> >> bones guest that will not depend on any qemu defaults and will be stable
> >> across releases.
> >
> > That's not even close to what -nodefconfig is.  That's pretty much
> > what -nodefaults is but -nodefaults has also had a fluid definition
> > historically.
> 
> Okay.  Let's just make sure to document -nodefconfig as version specific
> and -nodefaults as the stable way to create a bare bones guest (and
> define exactly what that means).
> 
What is the reason libvirt uses -nodefconfig instead of -nodefaults now?
What the former does for them that the later doesn't?

--
			Gleb.

  reply	other threads:[~2012-03-26  9:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 108+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-12-15 14:54 [Qemu-devel] Modern CPU models cannot be used with libvirt Jiri Denemark
2011-12-15 14:58 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-12-15 15:30   ` Jiri Denemark
2011-12-18 10:07     ` Dor Laor
2011-12-15 15:42 ` [Qemu-devel] [libvirt] " Daniel P. Berrange
2011-12-18  9:58   ` Gleb Natapov
2012-03-09 20:56     ` Eduardo Habkost
2012-03-09 21:04       ` Daniel P. Berrange
2012-03-09 21:15         ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-10  4:37           ` Eduardo Habkost
2012-03-11 11:45           ` Gleb Natapov
2012-03-10 12:42         ` Daniel P. Berrange
2012-03-10 15:58           ` Eduardo Habkost
2012-03-10 18:24             ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-10 18:37               ` Andreas Färber
2012-03-10 22:39               ` Doug Goldstein
2012-03-11  0:55               ` Andrew Cathrow
2012-03-11 13:27               ` Gleb Natapov
2012-03-11 14:12                 ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-11 14:56                   ` Gleb Natapov
2012-03-11 15:33                     ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-11 16:16                       ` Gleb Natapov
2012-03-12 14:48                         ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-12 15:16                           ` Eduardo Habkost
2012-03-12 15:49                         ` Andreas Färber
2012-03-12 16:50                           ` Eduardo Habkost
2012-03-12 17:41                             ` Andreas Färber
2012-03-12 17:47                               ` Peter Maydell
2012-03-12 17:53                                 ` Andreas Färber
2012-03-12 17:55                                   ` Gleb Natapov
2012-03-12 17:59                                   ` Alexander Graf
2012-03-12 17:52                               ` Gleb Natapov
2012-03-12 18:30                               ` Eduardo Habkost
2012-03-12 18:42                                 ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-12 18:53                       ` Itamar Heim
2012-03-12 19:01                         ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-12 19:12                           ` Itamar Heim
2012-03-12 19:50                             ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-12 20:00                               ` Itamar Heim
2012-03-12 20:19                               ` Ayal Baron
2012-03-13  8:32                                 ` Itamar Heim
2012-03-14  0:11                                   ` Ayal Baron
2012-03-12 12:52                   ` Eduardo Habkost
2012-03-12 13:04                     ` Daniel P. Berrange
2012-03-12 13:15                       ` Gleb Natapov
2012-03-12 13:32                         ` Eduardo Habkost
2012-03-12 13:34                           ` Gleb Natapov
2012-03-12 13:50                         ` Daniel P. Berrange
2012-03-12 13:53                           ` Gleb Natapov
2012-03-12 13:55                             ` Daniel P. Berrange
2012-03-12 14:01                               ` Gleb Natapov
2012-03-25 13:21                   ` Avi Kivity
2012-03-25 13:26                     ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-25 16:06                       ` Avi Kivity
2012-03-11 12:41             ` Gleb Natapov
2012-03-11 14:16               ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-11 15:12                 ` Gleb Natapov
2012-03-11 15:41                   ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-11 16:27                     ` Gleb Natapov
2012-03-12 13:08                     ` Eduardo Habkost
2012-03-13 14:53                       ` Eduardo Habkost
2012-03-22  9:32                         ` Gleb Natapov
2012-03-22 13:31                           ` Eduardo Habkost
2012-03-22 14:30                             ` Gleb Natapov
2012-03-22 15:50                               ` Eduardo Habkost
2012-03-25 10:19                                 ` Gleb Natapov
2012-03-25 13:09                                   ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-25 14:46                                     ` Gleb Natapov
2012-03-25 15:06                                       ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-25 16:34                                         ` Gleb Natapov
2012-03-26 16:00                                   ` Eduardo Habkost
2012-03-22 16:37                           ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-22 17:14                             ` Eduardo Habkost
2012-03-22 20:01                               ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-25  9:49                                 ` Gleb Natapov
2012-03-25 12:55                                   ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-25 13:08                                     ` Avi Kivity
2012-03-25 13:12                                       ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-25 13:14                                         ` Avi Kivity
2012-03-25 13:22                                           ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-25 13:34                                             ` Avi Kivity
2012-03-25 14:36                                               ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-25 14:46                                                 ` Avi Kivity
2012-03-25 14:59                                                   ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-25 15:16                                                     ` Avi Kivity
2012-03-25 15:26                                                       ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-25 15:40                                                         ` Avi Kivity
2012-03-25 18:11                                                           ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-26  9:08                                                             ` Avi Kivity
2012-03-26  9:53                                                               ` Gleb Natapov [this message]
2012-03-26 19:03                                                               ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-28  9:55                                                                 ` Avi Kivity
2012-03-26 16:34                                                             ` Eduardo Habkost
2012-03-26 11:24                                                         ` Jiri Denemark
2012-03-26 11:59                                                           ` Avi Kivity
2012-03-26 12:03                                                             ` Gleb Natapov
2012-03-26 16:14                                                               ` Eduardo Habkost
2012-03-26 19:04                                                                 ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-25 14:58                                           ` Gleb Natapov
2012-03-25 15:07                                             ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-25 15:18                                               ` Avi Kivity
2012-03-25 15:30                                                 ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-25 15:45                                                   ` Avi Kivity
2012-03-25 18:01                                                     ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-25 18:09                                                       ` Avi Kivity
2012-03-26 19:00                                                         ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-28  9:59                                                           ` Avi Kivity
2012-03-20 18:59       ` Eduardo Habkost

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